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Has anyone calculated the Merit to Honor conversion rate? I haven't, but if I had to guess it's somewhere around 4-5 merits for each honor. (The 725 merit pull would net 125-175 honor on average.) This assumes that you airlock all 1-3* and some 4*.

Per the drop rate table I get the following conversions (assuming all characters are airlocked)
1* = 25 x 3 x .2260 =16.95 honor
2* = 50 x 3 x .3617 = 54.255
3* =100 x 3 x .3617 = 108.51
4* = 200 x 3 x .0452 = 27.12
5* = 550 x 3 x .0054 = 8.92
Total average honor =215.755
Conversion rate = 3.36 merits per honor

It looks like I was guessing low. :)

Comments

  • Peachtree RexPeachtree Rex ✭✭✭✭✭
    Considering there's also a small chance of getting something useful, those conversions actually don't seem to be too bad.
  • IronagedaveIronagedave ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    If you took a mean average of 175 honor per pull though it would still take you about 286 merit pulls to get a legendary citation that's a whopping 207350 merits for 50k honor so I would venture it would be more merits per honor - personally I don't think it 's worth including legendary in the calculation because the likelihood is you will keep it rather than use for honor but also a tripple grey scenario nulifies it in 4 or 5 pulls and happens far more frequently.

    I did a similar hypothesis on whether 90k credit pull could be a better way and improve honor accumulation efficiency but the lieklihood is you would run out of chronitons unless it was during a skirmish event.
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  • Peachtree RexPeachtree Rex ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ironagedave wrote: »
    If you took a mean average of 175 honor per pull though it would still take you about 286 merit pulls to get a legendary citation that's a whopping 207350 merits for 50k honor so I would venture it would be more merits per honor - personally I don't think it 's worth including legendary in the calculation because the likelihood is you will keep it rather than use for honor but also a tripple grey scenario nulifies it in 4 or 5 pulls and happens far more frequently.

    I did a similar hypothesis on whether 90k credit pull could be a better way and improve honor accumulation efficiency but the lieklihood is you would run out of chronitons unless it was during a skirmish event.

    ...except the average is 215 honor per pull, not 175. You can't just change the number arbitrarily because it makes your argument better.

    Even if you exclude the 5*, you are at 206 honor per pull on average.
  • IronagedaveIronagedave ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    Peachtree Rex wrote: »
    Ironagedave wrote: »
    If you took a mean average of 175 honor per pull though it would still take you about 286 merit pulls to get a legendary citation that's a whopping 207350 merits for 50k honor so I would venture it would be more merits per honor - personally I don't think it 's worth including legendary in the calculation because the likelihood is you will keep it rather than use for honor but also a tripple grey scenario nulifies it in 4 or 5 pulls and happens far more frequently.

    I did a similar hypothesis on whether 90k credit pull could be a better way and improve honor accumulation efficiency but the lieklihood is you would run out of chronitons unless it was during a skirmish event.

    ...except the average is 215 honor per pull, not 175. You can't just change the number arbitrarily because it makes your argument better.

    Even if you exclude the 5*, you are at 206 honor per pull on average.

    not going by arbitrariness I was going by the best average range originally given by the OP next time i will check, in fact it should be pointed out airlocking blues and below average is actually 177.7R

    The thing is with purple or gold they will mean different things for different people you could ague they are worth 15k, 18k, 45k or 50k in honor depending on whether it's the first time unlocking the card or adding another star to one you own.
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  • Peachtree RexPeachtree Rex ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ironagedave wrote: »
    Peachtree Rex wrote: »
    Ironagedave wrote: »
    If you took a mean average of 175 honor per pull though it would still take you about 286 merit pulls to get a legendary citation that's a whopping 207350 merits for 50k honor so I would venture it would be more merits per honor - personally I don't think it 's worth including legendary in the calculation because the likelihood is you will keep it rather than use for honor but also a tripple grey scenario nulifies it in 4 or 5 pulls and happens far more frequently.

    I did a similar hypothesis on whether 90k credit pull could be a better way and improve honor accumulation efficiency but the lieklihood is you would run out of chronitons unless it was during a skirmish event.

    ...except the average is 215 honor per pull, not 175. You can't just change the number arbitrarily because it makes your argument better.

    Even if you exclude the 5*, you are at 206 honor per pull on average.

    not going by arbitrariness I was going by the best average range originally given by the OP next time i will check, in fact it should be pointed out airlocking blues and below average is actually 177.7R

    The thing is with purple or gold they will mean different things for different people you could ague they are worth 15k, 18k, 45k or 50k in honor depending on whether it's the first time unlocking the card or adding another star to one you own.

    All the more reason you should use the 215 average.

    For newer players, 1/2*s are going still usually be airlocks, but everything past that is going to be MORE valuable (or else they'd airlock them and still get to 215).

    For most long-time players, 1/2/3 (and most 4s) are going to be airlocked, but everything past that is going to be MORE valuable (or else they'd airlock them and still get to 215).
  • IronagedaveIronagedave ✭✭✭✭✭
    Peachtree Rex wrote: »
    Ironagedave wrote: »
    Peachtree Rex wrote: »
    Ironagedave wrote: »
    If you took a mean average of 175 honor per pull though it would still take you about 286 merit pulls to get a legendary citation that's a whopping 207350 merits for 50k honor so I would venture it would be more merits per honor - personally I don't think it 's worth including legendary in the calculation because the likelihood is you will keep it rather than use for honor but also a tripple grey scenario nulifies it in 4 or 5 pulls and happens far more frequently.

    I did a similar hypothesis on whether 90k credit pull could be a better way and improve honor accumulation efficiency but the lieklihood is you would run out of chronitons unless it was during a skirmish event.

    ...except the average is 215 honor per pull, not 175. You can't just change the number arbitrarily because it makes your argument better.

    Even if you exclude the 5*, you are at 206 honor per pull on average.

    not going by arbitrariness I was going by the best average range originally given by the OP next time i will check, in fact it should be pointed out airlocking blues and below average is actually 177.7R

    The thing is with purple or gold they will mean different things for different people you could ague they are worth 15k, 18k, 45k or 50k in honor depending on whether it's the first time unlocking the card or adding another star to one you own.

    All the more reason you should use the 215 average.

    For newer players, 1/2*s are going still usually be airlocks, but everything past that is going to be MORE valuable (or else they'd airlock them and still get to 215).

    For most long-time players, 1/2/3 (and most 4s) are going to be airlocked, but everything past that is going to be MORE valuable (or else they'd airlock them and still get to 215).

    But that's just what i am driving at the moment it becomes more valuable it exits your honor pot.
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  • WaldoMagWaldoMag ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    @Ironagedave
    Has a point. I would have to have the legendary immortalized and he has to be a bad legendary dupe for me to airlock him.

    That said, it reminds me of the instant lottery tickets average the money out and you think it pays out a lot more for a ticket than you would ever see when there is only one big prize. Not quite the same here, but a legendary drop is fairly rare. Keeping that honor in your calculation is not being real. So your 208 honor is a more realistic outcome. That being said if one pulls enough they will get a legendary and that legendary could very well be worth the same as a honor citation. So then even more honor than your estimate keeping it in.

    All I can say is one should expect about 200 honor. From a merit pull.
    Of course a legendary is possible too and that is the prize most of us are after.

    So 208 merits+ small 1.62% chance of getting a legendary. (Is that a 1.62% chance does not seem as bad as I thought but still worth taking it out)
  • [DC] Picard Loves Reds[DC] Picard Loves Reds ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your actual results may vary (thank you RNG!) :) I included all of the levels in the interest of being thourough. I was surprised how close I was considering that I've kept a lot of the SR drops. Does this make a difference in the overall honor I earn? Not really, since I typically do 4-5 a week it's about one extra 5* citation per year. Plus a legendary drop about every 8 weeks or so. All for free. FWIW, the merit pull is my primary motivation to be as active as possible in the Gauntlet.
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