HMS not Klingon?
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Doing my voyage today when the Klingon trait came up for the ship I was like "yes" long voyage today but when I got to the HMS, it didn't give the extra AM.
What up with that? IT is a Klingon ship, right? I know it was commandeered by Kirk and crew but it's still a Klingon ship none the less right? DB need to make HMS have both Federation and Klingon traits.😔🤔
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SMM
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Imho it is correct. Whomever builds or last operates a ship is irrelevant. It is the current owners or occupiers that matter.1 -
In the long history of navies the ship belongs to whose flag she flies.
We understand your point but that's not tradition. Or ownership.2 -
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Captain Stupid wrote: »Just for giggles, does anyone know what the Bounty was called before it was commandeered?
This is the best info I could find:
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My point is, it was built and commissioned by the KDF, I suppose. So that makes it still a Klingon ship regardless of anyone commandeering it.
When Gul Dukat commandeered a BoP, did that make it a Cardassian ship? He used it to fight for Cardassia but that didn't make it a Cardie ship now did it? I think not.
I still believe origin should count.
They sail under a Brazilian flag, with a Brazilian crew carrying out the wishes of the Brazilian government.
In no way could you say that these were still British ships.
The same apples to the H.M.S. Bounty and to Dukat’s BoP.
I can throw a BMW sticker on a 1984 Hyundai Pony, and loan it out to a bunch of Mazda salesmen, but that doesn't make the car a BMW or Mazda... it's still a 1984 Hyundai Pony.
By that logic, every ship I own and operate as a Federation captain in this game would therefore become a Federation ship - not just the Bounty, but same goes for my Romulan Warbird, my Borg Cube, etc...
At the very least, The Bounty should have both Klingon and Federation classifications, much like Klingon Dukat is both a Klingon and Cardassian.
No, for the same reason that every crew member in your roster does not automatically become a member of the Federation.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Let's remember the pirates in the Caribbean, they commandeered many nations ships, didn't change the fact of their origin
Just for giggles, does anyone know what the Bounty was called before it was commandeered?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prize_(law)
It was called the Bethia....
oh wait... that's not the same H.M.S. Bounty!
I have that and the Sarcophagus, but both only lvl 2 @ 2100 AM so it's a toss up. My bounty is almost maxed.😑 thx for the advice though.
THX Dirk, I looked on alpha and wiki myself, didn't give the info.
What source is this if I may ask?
No, this is coming straight from the movie. You are not a part of star trek lore... This ship was under the command of a federation captain who renamed it the HMS Bounty. The Qel'Poh ceased to exist at that time. For once, and this hurts to say, I agree with DB on this one. And it should stay the way it is.
Actually, Dr. "Bones" McCoy renamed the ship.✌
You are arguing a different point. You are talking about the make and model not ownership.
Nobody is saying that the Bounty suddenly became a Constitution class when the Federation took ownership.
It was built by the Klingons but was re-purposed and renamed when the Federation took it.
Lol, true that.
Why do you think you're a Federation captain? I dont really remember the game ever telling you where you are from or what faction you're alligned with... You're like this independent freelancer lol
edit oh and on topic: it's not about the origin but the current nationality of the vessel.
I believe we are part of the Federation in this timeline but, regardless, isn't your point only reinforcing my own?
By 'current nationality' logic, whatever ships become part of my fleet would be rebranded with my affiliation, whatever that might be. In that case, there is definite inconsistency with ship referencing.
Why is my Borg cube still affiliated with the Borg, yet my Klingon bird-of-prey is not affiliated with the Klingons? Who cares if that particular ship was once commandeered by Kirk, Spock and company - it should either be once again rebranded to be part of my fleet (current nationality, in which case my Borg cube should no longer be considered to be a Borg ship), or it should be consistently referenced according to its origins, which would be Klingon (just like my Borg cube and all my other ships built by the Romulans, Cardassians, Breen, etc...).
I've always seen myself as a Federation captain as well playing this game.
The way I see it is that the HMS Bounty, when it falls out of the time portal and into your lap, is a Federation-owned and operated ship as the Borg Cube is a Borg-owned and operated ship. The fact that you are a Federation-aligned captain when you take possession has no effect on the status of the ships when they are plucked from their universes and put into ours.
Also, we all appear to be Starfleet captains, given the way flavor text and dialogue are written in this game. If you think about it too much, it doesn’t really make sense for Starfleet to send newly-promoted captains out into the unknown with crews full of psychotic egomaniacs, hostile aliens, and people who hate each other to be the face of the Federation during the most critical time travel crisis in known galactic history...
Kirk destroyed the Enterprise to prevent this from happening. Imagine a universe where Kruge did capture it. The NCC-1701 would be listed as a Klingon ship!
Another thought... If some thieves stole my car.... does it become their car?
Hell no it doesn't, because your name is on your resignation with the car in DMV records. If the police run your plate, they'll see everything about the car plus linked to your info. Then again your talking of a completely different matter.
Bounty may have been built by Klingons but as has been pointed out, it's not who built it but whos flag it flies. There is also a long tradition of shipyards building vessels for other nations.
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