Suffers from Holoaddiction & not classed as a Holodeck Enthusiast 🤔

Capt. Pete Owen

Why isn’t ‘Duelist Barcley’ a collectible for
‘Holodeck Enthusiasts’?

Other collections have multiple veriants of the same character, why is only
‘Commander Barclay’
present?

Emmett K

Seems like each person got 1 soot in the collection.
Seemed like a decent amount of old and new characters with some difficulty to earn.

As much as people think this is a free hand it and needs to be easier, I think this is good the way it is.

Lady Gaghgagh

They also need to add like every version of Paris, boy was quite holodeck obsessed. He even wrote two holodeck programs.

And if we have Doctor La Forge, why not also Detective Data or Victorian Pulaski? Why not Prospero Data? Shouldn’t Lucille Davenport actually add to her own collection? And shouldn’t Dixon Hill Picard, Doc Crusher, and Gloria also apply?

Also if we have Princess Jadzia then I would imagine Queen Guinevere Kira should also apply.

Also Duelist Torres came about due to her holodeck obsession with testing her desire to feel alive. Like give us some parameters DB.

Mr. Lincoln

DB could have just grouped all the holodeck and anyone who is associated with transporter use into one group. Call it the "Things That Should be Harmless But Are Always Trying to Kill You" collection.

AviTrek

Sure, they could add 3* Barclay, and then they'd just make all the rewards start at +1 crew. They could add more 4* and make the higher level rewards start at more crew too. DB did not create this collection to be easy. They're giving away a 5/5. They wanted to entice you to immortalize 6 5* crew before you could complete the collection. And they wanted specific crew to make it even more difficult. Asking for all these extra crew would not make the collection easier, DB would just have moved the goalpost to be as hard as it is now.

Lady Gaghgagh

AviTrek wrote: »

Sure, they could add 3* Barclay, and then they'd just make all the rewards start at +1 crew. They could add more 4* and make the higher level rewards start at more crew too. DB did not create this collection to be easy. They're giving away a 5/5. They wanted to entice you to immortalize 6 5* crew before you could complete the collection. And they wanted specific crew to make it even more difficult. Asking for all these extra crew would not make the collection easier, DB would just have moved the goalpost to be as hard as it is now.

Perhaps, I’d just like a rhyme and reason to the choices. Now if DB just wants to say “it is what it is and that’s that”, I can accept that. But until they do, I’m going to presume it’s up for discussion.

[10F] Belle'Anna

Well, you're right on one level Lady Gaghgagh. However. On another level the collection could be made so broad as to be largely meaningless. That isn't the intent of the creators, their intent is to make a fun collection with exclusive exciting rewards (that require extensive time and /or money to complete).

Clearly there is scope for other holodeck collections (I'm thinking Our Man Bashir) and there's a considerable crossover between the super-rares in this collection and others which really makes those crew rather useful.

Jim Steele

I think they missed a trick not having quite a few characters, its a nice collection, though Im about 22 months worth of honour, (and a Odo and Kim away) from being able to complete it.

SSR Barkley

As the developer, they are choosing WHICH versions of each holodeck frequenter they choose to add to the collection. It's their discretion. They are also giving FIVE free copies of a gold, so it makes sense you fill the collection with purples and golds.

As you can see, there already is a Barclay in the collection, DB just choose to make Commander Barclay the representative.

Duelist Barclay is already in 2 other collections (Rare Crew, Innovator). Commander Barclay was only in one (Innovator). It makes more sense to throw Commander Barclay into the collection for several reasons

1. He's more difficult to obtain than a 3*, making DB more money (remember this is Tipping Point's top prerogative and provides an incentive for you to spend
2. It balances the collections per character.
3. It gives DB room to create additional collections and have other characters be part of those.

You're probably not going to see any character being part of more than 3 collections. The few characters that ARE part of 3 or more collections are few and far between.

Frank?

Any collection that gives away a 5/5 as the reward should be the craziest, most difficult collection to complete. I have no issue with the way this is structured.

[DB-DO BETTER] [7TW] Captain plim123

I don't mind that the collection is hard, but I'm just annoyed/off-put by the fact that DB went out of it's way to break their own structure (not to mention implement the coding to do so) instead of keeping it simple.

All other collections are every character of easily identified classifications. Even the specialized ones (QPid, Wild West, Dixon Hill) is easily explained.

But this is the only collection that cherry picks one copy to artificially make it hard.

They even chose the wrong Barclay! By the Commander Barclay era of his life, he is no longer a holoaddict. Interfaced or Hologram Barclay would be may more appropo (interfaced: literally created in the holodeck and during the height of his holoaddiction, and hologram: his own representation, and still while holoaddicted).

If they wanted to make it hard, they could have simply increased the number of crew required for each reward tier, just like almost every other collection's rewards.

But this looks more like one person had a design and made sure that they broke every rule, made developers code outside of the box just to adhere to every iota of the idea.

AviTrek

You think they have rules that are used for collections? Look at the previous lists and how they're maintained. They are flagging each crew individually. They just picked the crew this time and said, flag these 12.

[NDQ] Joker41NAM

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

Also Duelist Torres came about due to her holodeck obsession with testing her desire to feel alive.

Wrong episode. Duelist Torres is from when she got mind-melded into Pon Farr.

SSR Barkley

DB has no defined "rules" for collections, unless it's an episode specific collection. then, of course, it would be silly to throw musketeer la forge in the Q-Pid collection.

one commander barclay does not "Artificially make it hard". You JUST had every opportunity to obtain him and gotten all 4 stars on him and have spent $0 ... just time and effort.

Lady Gaghgagh

[NDQ] Joker41NAM wrote: »

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

Also Duelist Torres came about due to her holodeck obsession with testing her desire to feel alive.

Wrong episode. Duelist Torres is from when she got mind-melded into Pon Farr.

Is she? They look awfully similar then

Commander Sinclair

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

They also need to add like every version of Paris, boy was quite holodeck obsessed. He even wrote two holodeck programs.

And if we have Doctor La Forge, why not also Detective Data or Victorian Pulaski? Why not Prospero Data? Shouldn’t Lucille Davenport actually add to her own collection? And shouldn’t Dixon Hill Picard, Doc Crusher, and Gloria also apply?

Also if we have Princess Jadzia then I would imagine Queen Guinevere Kira should also apply.

Also Duelist Torres came about due to her holodeck obsession with testing her desire to feel alive. Like give us some parameters DB.

It looks like the logic here is the "instigator" of the Holoprogram is represented, not all the crew that person got to join in. I think Captain Proton would have better represented here instead of Delta F Paris, or make a whole new "Holo-addicted Paris" 4* for the collection instead. And Interfaced Barclay (or again, another new Barclay 4* or 5*) makes more sense than Older/Alt-timeline Barclay.

I do really like the reward structure, albeit very challenging to achieve. I hope more collections get this type of treatment.

[DB-DO BETTER] [7TW] Captain plim123

AviTrek wrote: »

You think they have rules that are used for collections? Look at the previous lists and how they're maintained. They are flagging each crew individually. They just picked the crew this time and said, flag these 12.

You mean anytime a new crew that is inspiring, diplomat, borg, ferengi etc are added to they game they're not automatically eligible for the collection?