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Hi, I don't want to be the player that looks a gift horse in the mouth but now that I've claimed my event gifts/winnings, I am unable to revive Voyages using dilithium. I have to use the token first time.

Is there not a way to program these tokens so that you can choose when to use them? Alot of players like to use dilithium at the lower times and then the token at lengthier times. Previously, having the token saved in the inbox has allowed this. Now we get no choice.

Thank you.
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  • [SJ] Yorkster[SJ] Yorkster ✭✭✭
    Totally agree, DB please add a button to allow us to refresh using either a token or dil. Thanks in advance!
  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2018
    If they don't fix it, it essentially guarantees that I'll be failing a voyage a couple of times, every time there's a faction event. Which is kind of obnoxious.
  • kapukapu ✭✭✭
    robownage wrote: »
    If they don't fix it, it essentially guarantees that I'll be failing a voyage a couple of times, every time there's a faction event. Which is kind of obnoxious.

    not really following this line of thought...?
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  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2018
    kapu wrote: »
    robownage wrote: »
    If they don't fix it, it essentially guarantees that I'll be failing a voyage a couple of times, every time there's a faction event. Which is kind of obnoxious.

    not really following this line of thought...?

    The token is worth way more than dilithium cost for the first couple of revives, so might be worth the investment to fail a few times since I have to use it for the first revive I do after claiming it.
  • Thorozar Thorozar ✭✭✭✭
    robownage wrote: »
    kapu wrote: »
    robownage wrote: »
    If they don't fix it, it essentially guarantees that I'll be failing a voyage a couple of times, every time there's a faction event. Which is kind of obnoxious.

    not really following this line of thought...?

    The token is worth way more than dilithium cost for the first couple of revives, so might be worth the investment to fail a few times since I have to use it for the first revive I do after claiming it.

    Why would you intentionally fail? You like wasting 8 hours for nothing?
  • kapukapu ✭✭✭
    ah, ok. That makes perfect sense now that I understood what you meant.
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  • Thorozar Thorozar ✭✭✭✭
    [BL] PShivers wrote: »
    Thorozar wrote: »
    robownage wrote: »
    kapu wrote: »
    robownage wrote: »
    If they don't fix it, it essentially guarantees that I'll be failing a voyage a couple of times, every time there's a faction event. Which is kind of obnoxious.

    not really following this line of thought...?

    The token is worth way more than dilithium cost for the first couple of revives, so might be worth the investment to fail a few times since I have to use it for the first revive I do after claiming it.

    Why would you intentionally fail? You like wasting 8 hours for nothing?

    I guess you just aren't following this entire thread. The antimatter refresh at sub 12 hour for dilithium is not that expensive. robownage is saying that before the event starts, have a voyage going and refresh for dil at the lower rates before claiming the free token in thresholds so he can refresh at say 14 or 16 to have the voyage go longer for free. Rather than be forced to use the token at say 8.5 to 9 hrs. It makes perfect sense and is a sound strategy unless DB gives us the choice to use the token or dil. Get it now??

    Yea i missed the part about failing before you grab the voyage token from events, that does make sense.
  • Princess TristaPrincess Trista ✭✭✭✭✭
    It seems that DBs idea of this token virtually guarantees a low amount of dils that they would lose for being a freebie. Otherwise we would be saving this token for not the 88 dils refresh, but perhaps the 350 dil refresh around the 15th hour?
  • [10F] Belle'Anna [10F] Belle'Anna ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just time a voyage so you have a couple of dil refreshes before you claim the token.

    I too, would prefer the option to claim and use later, at my discretion, though.
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  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    That only works if you're planning to use the token now. If you wanted to save your tokens for a long run you can't sit and save multiple tokens the way people have saved the token emails.
  • Dr. Creon (¥SA)Dr. Creon (¥SA) ✭✭✭✭
    AviTrek wrote: »
    That only works if you're planning to use the token now. If you wanted to save your tokens for a long run you can't sit and save multiple tokens the way people have saved the token emails.

    Yep, which is exactly my point in the 2nd post of this thread...
    Dr. Creon (H31) wrote: »
    I agree. I wish there was the option to use the token or dilithium instead of being forced to use the token. Unfortunately, I guess we just have to be more diligent about not letting a voyage run out of antimatter. Of course that doesn't solve the problem if you come up on a dilemma and fall just short of it and want to continue on past the dilemma to get to a later one.

    If we're not planning on using them immediately, we need to ensure we're not running out of antimatter. In fact, I just now recalled a voyage with 600+ antimatter left because I'm not 100% sure it will last to the next dilemma and I'm about to start making dinner and don't want to run the risk of having to use the token now when I prefer not to.

  • Ishmael MarxIshmael Marx ✭✭✭✭✭
    From a strategic standpoint, it's going to be a bit difficult to truly align your voyage failures with your VP accumulation pace through the correct threshold mark. To optimize the use of the threshold token, you'd probably have to waste hours of voyage time to get it to where you want it and waiting for the token to drop. (Hmm, I'm not expressing this very clearly, but my point boils down to a concern about inefficient voyages.)

    For my own part, I accidentally screwed up and failed my 8.5hr voyage soon after getting the token. Had a nice pile of chrons and a 4* crew, so... I used it. Got to 10.5hrs - no new crew (other than the 2* one from the 10hr dilemma), but did get a nice chron boost. It is what it is.

    +1 for the idea of multiple button choices, or the scroll-interface like they show when you have both a citation and a card that could be fused.
  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    You don't have to claim your threshold rewards right after you reach them. Once you get the final crew (or maybe unform item) there is no need to claim the rewards until after the event. You can sit on them until the new event page goes live on Wednesday. You can even push it further, but then you end up claiming with a future event if I remember correctly.
  • [10F] Belle'Anna [10F] Belle'Anna ✭✭✭✭✭
    AviTrek wrote: »
    You don't have to claim your threshold rewards right after you reach them. Once you get the final crew (or maybe unform item) there is no need to claim the rewards until after the event. You can sit on them until the new event page goes live on Wednesday. You can even push it further, but then you end up claiming with a future event if I remember correctly.

    Is that right? I know you can claim ranked rewards later, but does that work with the community and solo rewards too?
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  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, they all just sit there.
  • [DCC] bebe has Badgey[DCC] bebe has Badgey ✭✭✭
    robownage wrote: »
    If they don't fix it, it essentially guarantees that I'll be failing a voyage a couple of times, every time there's a faction event. Which is kind of obnoxious.

    Why not just send out 'Blue Crew Voyages' during events, ones that use only blue or lower crew? You should get at least 1 dilemma out of it if they're on a 5* ship.
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  • [DCC] bebe has Badgey[DCC] bebe has Badgey ✭✭✭
    edited November 2018
    Thorozar wrote: »
    [BL] PShivers wrote: »
    Thorozar wrote: »
    robownage wrote: »
    kapu wrote: »
    robownage wrote: »
    If they don't fix it, it essentially guarantees that I'll be failing a voyage a couple of times, every time there's a faction event. Which is kind of obnoxious.

    not really following this line of thought...?

    The token is worth way more than dilithium cost for the first couple of revives, so might be worth the investment to fail a few times since I have to use it for the first revive I do after claiming it.

    Why would you intentionally fail? You like wasting 8 hours for nothing?

    I guess you just aren't following this entire thread. The antimatter refresh at sub 12 hour for dilithium is not that expensive. robownage is saying that before the event starts, have a voyage going and refresh for dil at the lower rates before claiming the free token in thresholds so he can refresh at say 14 or 16 to have the voyage go longer for free. Rather than be forced to use the token at say 8.5 to 9 hrs. It makes perfect sense and is a sound strategy unless DB gives us the choice to use the token or dil. Get it now??

    Yea i missed the part about failing before you grab the voyage token from events, that does make sense.

    Correct, why not "give away" 88 dil for a refresh now so that you'll be more likely to spend 142 (or whatever dil) later to be able to keep what you got from the extended voyage?
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  • RaraRacingRaraRacing ✭✭✭✭✭
    [10F] Belle'Anna wrote: »
    AviTrek wrote: »
    You don't have to claim your threshold rewards right after you reach them. Once you get the final crew (or maybe unform item) there is no need to claim the rewards until after the event. You can sit on them until the new event page goes live on Wednesday. You can even push it further, but then you end up claiming with a future event if I remember correctly.

    Is that right? I know you can claim ranked rewards later, but does that work with the community and solo rewards too?

    I can't remember who did it ... but there was a player who deliberately did not claim their event rewards (for multiple events) and they wrote a whole thread on it and what happens ... too lazy to search for it for you. :)
  • [QH] Captain Ziggy[QH] Captain Ziggy ✭✭✭✭
    It's on the old forum I think. I did leave 2 or 3 banked before and got the rewards but it did seem to cause some stability issues too with the event that was currently running. I think at least one person had issues that broke their event totally.

    Also, it's not much I know, but if you switch squads in between events you will lose the squad rewards.
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  • Jim SteeleJim Steele ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can always abandon the mission? Personally I dont mind using a token, in fact I might stockpile them from events and use them when the first dillemas have gone my way. Im still missing Picard and Bones.

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  • Average GuyAverage Guy ✭✭✭✭
    It's possible they have stats showing that 98% of the time voyages that run out of anti matter only get revived once. This would mean they are saving players dilithium 98% of the time ( or whatever the rate would be) on voyages. Why are people complaining about the free voyage token? Perhaps they don't want them to be stockpiled? Did anyone think of that?
  • Commander SinclairCommander Sinclair ✭✭✭✭✭
    First time in a looooong time I actually abandon a Voyage, so I could move on the next one with better crew after the event was over. THEN and only then was I going to [forced to] use my token to extend. Still wasn't a great Voyage, but with the Token (and NO dils spent!), got to 11+ hours.
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  • DetraDetra ✭✭
    I can only speak from my experience. I wasn't able to recall before I ran out of antimatter today while I was work. I was almost to the 6 hour mark. I don't mind throwing some dilith at the first couple. Typically that's why I save or buy some dilithium for Voyages and maybe an extra cadet here or there. Now if I don't use the token and abandon, I lose the time invested and rewards. If I use the token I don't think I am maximizing the return value this low on the clock. I would much rather save the token for like a 14 hour or higher voyage if I want. Bottom line, echoing some to others, I think it should be an option.
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  • RogueAngylRogueAngyl ✭✭✭
    Had to use my token today. Got caught up building something in the garage and lost track of time. Was 8:15 in, would have gladly used dilithium, but didnt want to abandon those chrons right before the event. G D it!
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  • eXo | das411eXo | das411 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Average Guy wrote: »
    It's possible they have stats showing that 98% of the time voyages that run out of anti matter only get revived once. This would mean they are saving players dilithium 98% of the time ( or whatever the rate would be) on voyages. Why are people complaining about the free voyage token? Perhaps they don't want them to be stockpiled? Did anyone think of that?

    It does sound somewhat ridiculous, but there can be strategy to using the tokens - suppose I am chasing one of the voyage exlusives like Thot Gor, and i know i'll need to extend more than once as soon as i get a certain part 1.

    this particular token now "makes" me use it on a low-cost refresh like ~100 DIL, instead of being able to save it for a higher cost refresh when it gets up to 150-200 DIL or higher, and closer to the dilemma chain i need.

    the answer to this, of course, is to let us keep those tokens in the inbox like the previous sorry-tokens we've already sent, but does DB have the capability to do that with an event reward...?
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