Changes to Faction Rank Rewards table
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Piggybacking off of Shan's most recent comment found here: https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/comment/135304/#Comment_135304
TippingPoint/Disruptor Beam - It is unfathomable to me, that after nearly 3 years of production and 2.5 years of running faction events, that you would choose to SHRINK the rewards found at the top of the rankings.
For those unaware, rewards for ranks 4 through 25 were each reduced by 1 copy of the Legendary Character.
Your player base has begged, for years, to smooth out the rank rewards, so that there is more incentive to rank higher, as ranks 26-1000 are virtually identical. Instead, you just reduced the number of golds handed out from ranks 4-25, basically down one gold copy.
Expanding the # of golds handed out amongst the top 1000 would INCREASE your revenue. More players would compete to hit rank thresholds in the 26-1000 range. Now, it's 16-1000.
Personally, the last time i placed top 15 in a shuttle event, it took $50 in token packs, roughly 250 3* time boosts, and another 2k dilithium, for 2 extra copies of Mountaineer Spock. 100% WOULD NOT do that again, only for 1 extra copy.
It's ridiculous that it was shrunk for Galaxy events early 2017. It's ridiculous that you copied the rewards table for Galaxy into Skirmish events, and now, the latest Skirmish/Expedition hybrids. Surprisingly, you left faction/galaxy events alone for 2x copies of gold at the top 25. I'm sure that's getting the nerf bat next.
I implore you, stop alienating your player base, look at the big picture, and take a deeper look at what actually gets your player base to spend AND keeps them engaged. I guarantee you, your most recent changes of shrinking the tables and introducing tokens is not doing BOTH of those two things.
TippingPoint/Disruptor Beam - It is unfathomable to me, that after nearly 3 years of production and 2.5 years of running faction events, that you would choose to SHRINK the rewards found at the top of the rankings.
For those unaware, rewards for ranks 4 through 25 were each reduced by 1 copy of the Legendary Character.
Your player base has begged, for years, to smooth out the rank rewards, so that there is more incentive to rank higher, as ranks 26-1000 are virtually identical. Instead, you just reduced the number of golds handed out from ranks 4-25, basically down one gold copy.
Expanding the # of golds handed out amongst the top 1000 would INCREASE your revenue. More players would compete to hit rank thresholds in the 26-1000 range. Now, it's 16-1000.
Personally, the last time i placed top 15 in a shuttle event, it took $50 in token packs, roughly 250 3* time boosts, and another 2k dilithium, for 2 extra copies of Mountaineer Spock. 100% WOULD NOT do that again, only for 1 extra copy.
It's ridiculous that it was shrunk for Galaxy events early 2017. It's ridiculous that you copied the rewards table for Galaxy into Skirmish events, and now, the latest Skirmish/Expedition hybrids. Surprisingly, you left faction/galaxy events alone for 2x copies of gold at the top 25. I'm sure that's getting the nerf bat next.
I implore you, stop alienating your player base, look at the big picture, and take a deeper look at what actually gets your player base to spend AND keeps them engaged. I guarantee you, your most recent changes of shrinking the tables and introducing tokens is not doing BOTH of those two things.
/SSR/ Barkley - semi retired
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Yes, there might be more fight for Top15 but i highly doubt, that it makes up for the many people who won t bother to try for Top 25 anymore, since u don t get an add copy of the legendary.
In my squad alone, i had 2 ppl ready to go all out and spend some extra dime for Top 25, now since u nerfed the rewards to just 1 legendary, they only do a relaxed Top 1000, since u only get 1 Leg as well. Extra spending from those players for this event, ZERO.
And as mentioned already, the amount of costs and spendings it takes to make Top 15 in a faction event(except if u saved 100 5+ time boosters and 200 3* and so on) is way higher than 50 bucks...so its cheaper to buy the 50 buck event offer, for an extra copy of the ranked legendary, instead ranking Top 15.
Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! I've honestly thought that a number of the more recent changes have just been drive people towards purchasing even more packs.
Smoothing more legendaries through the ranks, for less players to be discouraged (and you're right, alienated) I think would keep more people active. To feel like they get back more for the effort put in.
I think more deserve extra copies of the legendary beyond top 25 or 15. I don't know how far, but rank 100 or even 200+ I think should give a different reward than 1k. To shrink it farther isn't even in DB's own interest, punishing their players who put the most effort (or $).
Given how competitive top 1k has gotten, expansion beyond it for the 1/5 might help avoid player discouragement too. Give people something to shoot for where in some events it's even just a duplicate.
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if anything the reward tables should be improved, and provide more incentive, not shrunk and add less ;p
Just more reason not to spend, great job DB!
For a while now, pure Factions were the only event type that awarded 2x 5*s out to the top 25. This change brings them in line with the other event types.
I HOPE that this means they are going to be hitting phase 2 of the event rewards. They expanded threshold rewards recently. Maybe this means that they are one step closer to revisiting the rank rewards.
It doesn't affect me directly, since I have literally never placed, top 50 in a faction event, because it costs too much and not worth being the hassle.
But just because it doesn't affect me that way, doesn't change the fact that it is evidence of DB's lack of concern or regard for its players, and the people who do pay their bills lol
Plus if they chase all the whales away with changes like these, who's going to pay for the game, so you can play it for free;)
...which is known from game premiere.
Perhaps, I think most would agree, it has certainly gotten worse, not better.
Semper ubi sub ubi
But realising the changes to legendary rewards, I’m not going to do that now.
Possible transaction is now definitely no transaction.
I really want to believe this. History teaches me that I shouldn’t.
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Shrinking rewards range, however, is a policy that is netting them a lot of revenue.
YES, TP/DB want revenue, and they're getting it this way. I don't question any of it. I merely question how in the long term it will affect paying players. Encouragement? Discouragement? Right now, only time can tell.
I'm genuinely curious about the answer I'd get from the (over)bosses if I asked what kind of direction they are taking the game to… not as an entertainment product, but as a business.
I fully agree.
However this specific adjustment and forum thread highlights the differences in player outlooks.
Am I pleased that DB changed back to sub-25? Yes! It’s a positive step.
But, it’s still far away from what we want to see - ie the percentage based approach.
Just for **tsk tsk** and gigs, why not try opening up 2x legendary rewards to sub-1000 rank? maybe it could pay off, maybe not, but we and DB will probably never know because they are too out of touch to even consider it.
Top 1% of Admiral division is now at 942...
Are there really more than 100k playing in every weekly event as opposed to playing arena at least once every two weeks? Seems like it's more like 60-75k at best.
Percentage based approach only works if the old top 1K = top 5% or thereabouts
Why limit it to the same proportion of players? They could try being more generous for just 1 event.
1000th place was just pulled out of thin air as an example of the magnitude of changes I think DB should be experimenting with if they want to encourage player spend.
I dont think the change was intentional. For the re-runs of the events they just copy and paste the rewards from last time it was run. Hence going back from Top 25 to Top 15 or whatever it was last time the event was run.
Personally though, the extra effort and expense is not worth the extra star. It has not been worth pushing for top 1000 recently, certainly when all you get if you narrowly miss it is a couple of extra rations and portal pulls.
Jim