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Did the new trait changes alter the minimum crew for Cadet Challenges?

BigguyinblackBigguyinblack ✭✭
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I have no doubt Leshy is off getting drunk before tackling the new trait changes for the do not airlock list. But the real question is, Did any of the changes effect the minimum crew needed for the Cadet challenges?

I have seen multiple cadet challenge lists and they don't always match because some of them don't always crit certain nodes. Maybe all of these new traits will change that and a new Cadet Challenge list can be formed.

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    LeshyLeshy ✭✭✭
    Bigguyinblack wrote: »
    I have no doubt Leshy is off getting drunk before tackling the new trait changes for the do not airlock list.
    If they had released this on a Friday night, I very well might have!

    I have had a quick look, but as far as I can tell, these trait changes should not have a major impact on the regular cadet challenges. There are only a few 2* crew affected by trait changes to begin with, and not all of them are relevant to the cadet challenges.

    Technician Rom and Commander Chakotay get bonuses on a few nodes, but it should not make them more viable options. The one who seems to benefit most is Lt Tasha Yar, who gets bonuses on several nodes; at best, that might make her a better option over Major Kira or Persis, although one would have to see more in-depth how they compare now in terms of critting useful nodes.
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    Paladin 27Paladin 27 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not sure on trait changes, but with the addition of Festive Jadzia, a few of us in my fleet having been using Crusher, Kes, Persis, Seska, Jadzia, Yar, and Sito Jaxa (seven slots total). They can pass elite everyday and epic everyday but Thursdays. Since we usually only run elite thursday for shuttle boosts this reduced our minimum coverage to 7 slots. We do have fairly high starbase bonuses so not sure if this works with no bonus.

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    BigguyinblackBigguyinblack ✭✭
    Is 7 the minimum though? There might be a smaller crew that can complete at least 1 of the elite mission each day other then Thursday.
    Also wondering about the minimum crew for weekends.
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    Paladin 27Paladin 27 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That list of seven can complete ALL epic and lower missions on mwf and Tuesday as well as Elite on Thursday with our starbase bonus.

    If there are only specific missions you want to pass we need to know which ones to come up with a smaller crew size.
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    BigguyinblackBigguyinblack ✭✭
    My point is that if you just want the reward for the challenge itself each week instead of farming specific items is there a smaller crew that can complete at least 1 elite mission each day?
    So if you just do one specific mission on each day each time maybe a crew of 4 or 5 would be enough instead of having crew to do them all.
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    [FF] Vice Admiral Nairne[FF] Vice Admiral Nairne ✭✭✭✭
    Bigguyinblack wrote: »
    My point is that if you just want the reward for the challenge itself each week instead of farming specific items is there a smaller crew that can complete at least 1 elite mission each day?
    So if you just do one specific mission on each day each time maybe a crew of 4 or 5 would be enough instead of having crew to do them all.

    Three crew is the minimum for what you're asking. Sito Jaxa, one of Seska/Wildman and one of Festive Dax/Pazlar can clear at least one elite challenge each day. I briefly went to a Sito-Seska-Pazlar rotation when I was really tight for crew slots.
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    guest_830430790119424guest_830430790119424 ✭
    edited November 2017
    Paladin 27 wrote: »
    Not sure on trait changes, but with the addition of Festive Jadzia, a few of us in my fleet having been using Crusher, Kes, Persis, Seska, Jadzia, Yar, and Sito Jaxa (seven slots total). They can pass elite everyday and epic everyday but Thursdays. Since we usually only run elite thursday for shuttle boosts this reduced our minimum coverage to 7 slots. We do have fairly high starbase bonuses so not sure if this works with no bonus.

    Who do you add to your crew to pass all challenges on Thursday and the weekends (if the 7 don't cover it? Do you trade out someone? If so, who/when?
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    Paladin 27Paladin 27 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    I don’t think there is much need for epic on thursdays since you only get 3 single shuttle boosts rather than a 10 pack like elite and the item rewards aren’t that great.

    If there is a Thursday mission with a specific item on epic you need just see which node you’d fail with the seven listed and add in someone to pass it.

    As for the weekends it’s an entirely different crew set, I use kang, money, Torres, selar, lwanana, saavik and lursa. Kang is there since he can handle alien sec and gets a roster spot for arena paired with Torres.
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    On M/W/F, who is the best chance of Critting the Command slots in the Epic, for Chronitons? I am using Immortalized Promoted Sisko, but he only hits 350 Command, which is just not doing the Crit Drops in that one. Who does better, that I can start working up to 100? Or hope to get, and work up to 100?



    Scott

    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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    [RotP] Scoustar[RotP] Scoustar ✭✭✭
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    On M/W/F, who is the best chance of Critting the Command slots in the Epic, for Chronitons? I am using Immortalized Promoted Sisko, but he only hits 350 Command, which is just not doing the Crit Drops in that one. Who does better, that I can start working up to 100? Or hope to get, and work up to 100?



    Scott

    Cadet Sito Jaxa covers pretty much all your CMD needs
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    Scoustar wrote: »
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    On M/W/F, who is the best chance of Critting the Command slots in the Epic, for Chronitons? I am using Immortalized Promoted Sisko, but he only hits 350 Command, which is just not doing the Crit Drops in that one. Who does better, that I can start working up to 100? Or hope to get, and work up to 100?



    Scott

    Cadet Sito Jaxa covers pretty much all your CMD needs

    Cranking her up now. She is like 50 or 60. Going for 100.

    Thanx,
    Scott

    EDIT TO ADD: Level 70 now, 2/4 Equipped.

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    JhamelJhamel ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't wanna crit anything since I 3-starred all cadet challenges on every day. I just need crew that can safely "pass" every node (except first node in UF-M3 for the 2* and 1* communiqués that doesn't give you an item and the final node will still clear easily).

    What is the optimal crew now for safely passing every node with the new traits? Is it still Jadzia, Sito, Seven (ENG/SCI double seat for Tue/Thu), Persis (DIP/SEC double seat), Crusher and Naomi/Data/Rom (for Mon/Wed/Fri)?
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    Well, Immortalized Sito got the second Command Rare Item in the Fourth Epic the FIRST run with her, today......


    Thanx for the tips. Seska is next to go Immortal......


    EDIT TO ADD: Sito FINISHED the Fourth Epic in TWO Runs. Two Stars to go on M/W/F......



    Scott




    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay, on Epic "No Man Left Behind", who can do a Crit on 380 Medical, 380 Command, & 380 Science?!?!?

    No one I have Immortalized with the Required Attributes for each one looks to be close......


    Scott

    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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    Skizzy • VIP0 • §ëSkizzy • VIP0 • §ë ✭✭✭✭
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Okay, on Epic "No Man Left Behind", who can do a Crit on 380 Medical, 380 Command, & 380 Science?!?!?

    Quoting from the wiki "Ideal crew are Captain Kirk for Command/Diplomacy, CMO Crusher for Medicine, and Ensign Pazlar for Science."
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    {FH} Bones McCoy{FH} Bones McCoy ✭✭✭
    Festive Jadzia Dax replaces Ensign Pazlar as "Riker's Angel" as 5 day Cadet Challenges crew for SCI.
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Skizzy wrote: »
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Okay, on Epic "No Man Left Behind", who can do a Crit on 380 Medical, 380 Command, & 380 Science?!?!?

    Quoting from the wiki "Ideal crew are Captain Kirk for Command/Diplomacy, CMO Crusher for Medicine, and Ensign Pazlar for Science."

    Crusher is like 280 or so Immortalized. The target is like 380.

    She can Crit that one?
    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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    Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Skizzy wrote: »
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Okay, on Epic "No Man Left Behind", who can do a Crit on 380 Medical, 380 Command, & 380 Science?!?!?

    Quoting from the wiki "Ideal crew are Captain Kirk for Command/Diplomacy, CMO Crusher for Medicine, and Ensign Pazlar for Science."

    Crusher is like 280 or so Immortalized. The target is like 380.

    She can Crit that one?

    Yes indeedy. The Cyberneticist trait gives her an additional 90 points. Wiki lists her at 290 base MED FF/FE, so another 90 brings that to 380.


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    Capt. ChaosCapt. Chaos ✭✭✭✭✭
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Skizzy wrote: »
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Okay, on Epic "No Man Left Behind", who can do a Crit on 380 Medical, 380 Command, & 380 Science?!?!?

    Quoting from the wiki "Ideal crew are Captain Kirk for Command/Diplomacy, CMO Crusher for Medicine, and Ensign Pazlar for Science."

    Crusher is like 280 or so Immortalized. The target is like 380.

    She can Crit that one?

    Yes, she gets a boost from the Cyberneticist skill.
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    [RotP] Scoustar[RotP] Scoustar ✭✭✭
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Okay, on Epic "No Man Left Behind", who can do a Crit on 380 Medical, 380 Command, & 380 Science?!?!?

    No one I have Immortalized with the Required Attributes for each one looks to be close......


    Scott

    While Pazlar is listed on the wiki as the best option, I believe it's actually Recovering Spock. Mostly because of the option he gives you in taking the alternate route should one of your nodes be a failure. Of course I could be entirely wrong, as I'm old and my memory isn't what it used to be.
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    al103al103 ✭✭✭
    IIRC Saru casually crits sci there...
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    RaraRacingRaraRacing ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2017
    Yes ... all new crew they recently brought in can crit the nodes with ease that were difficult in the past ... Odo (DIP), Saru, Jadzia ... the only one I've not checked is Janeway, but CMD was never an issue.
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Capt. Chaos wrote: »
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Skizzy wrote: »
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Okay, on Epic "No Man Left Behind", who can do a Crit on 380 Medical, 380 Command, & 380 Science?!?!?

    Quoting from the wiki "Ideal crew are Captain Kirk for Command/Diplomacy, CMO Crusher for Medicine, and Ensign Pazlar for Science."

    Crusher is like 280 or so Immortalized. The target is like 380.

    She can Crit that one?

    Yes, she gets a boost from the Cyberneticist skill.

    Thanx. I'll move her on up. Seska is 99, missing one or two Items for Immortality.....
    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Son of a monkey!!!!!!


    Equipped the last item on Seska, Trained her to 100. I'm like "Why aren't you Immortalizing?!?!?"

    She's only 1*.......


    Scott

    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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    [RotP] Scoustar[RotP] Scoustar ✭✭✭
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Son of a monkey!!!!!!


    Equipped the last item on Seska, Trained her to 100. I'm like "Why aren't you Immortalizing?!?!?"

    She's only 1*.......


    Scott

    I feel your pain; I've got 3 2*s FE waiting on 1* just to make crew space. I could go nuts and spend on portal pulls but I'm sure voyages will provide... eventually :sleeping:
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    PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well If you get desperate for slots, it is less than one days worth of honor to a 2* citation... again only if its a dire slot crunch.
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    [RotP] Scoustar[RotP] Scoustar ✭✭✭
    After grabbing Kahless and Stargazer I'm back to saving every scrap of honour I can find for the new 100k Honor Hall purchase.
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pallidyne wrote: »
    Well If you get desperate for slots, it is less than one days worth of honor to a 2* citation... again only if its a dire slot crunch.

    Went ahead and used Honor for the Citation.

    Kirk is ALMOST there. {Level 100, 2/4 Equipped/2*}


    Scott

    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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    DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paladin 27 wrote: »
    Not sure on trait changes, but with the addition of Festive Jadzia, a few of us in my fleet having been using Crusher, Kes, Persis, Seska, Jadzia, Yar, and Sito Jaxa (seven slots total). They can pass elite everyday and epic everyday but Thursdays. Since we usually only run elite thursday for shuttle boosts this reduced our minimum coverage to 7 slots. We do have fairly high starbase bonuses so not sure if this works with no bonus.

    Of those, I have all but Kes. {Only Kes I have is Temporal Shift Kes, at 3*}

    Others:

    CMO Crusher: Immortalized
    Persis: Immortalized
    Lt. Tasha Yar: Immortlaized
    Seska: Immortalized
    Sito Jaxa: Immortalized
    Festive Jadzia Dax: {Level 70, 2*, 2/4 Eqipped.}

    I'm leveling Dax today.


    Scott

    What if I told you not every single nit needs to be picked literally to death?
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