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Can DB use Star Trek: New Frontier?

Last year DB used Mirrorverse characters from a comic book. And who doesn't love Buff Picard, Baby Arm Data, and For gods sake put on some clothes Troi?

But years ago Peter David created a series of books based around captain Mackenzie Calhoun and the USS Excalibur.

While there would be issues creating art for characters created for novels, Are there legal reasons DB couldn't use content from the books? It had a couple of characters from TNG so at the very least it could be a source of variants.

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  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    Calhoun is legit my most desired card in the game. But even if they have access, I doubt we would get him unless it was to tie into a new book, and I'm not sure there are any on the horizon sadly.
  • It was turned into a comic too, so they’d have art to go off of. It would be awesome
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2019
    I want Captain Ezri Dax. But yes I would love for DB to expand into the comics and books. I think though it would have to be crew that have at least been introduced in one of the trek shows or movies to ensure broad appeal. I did not know who Mackenzie Calhoun was. I would still be interested in his character and learning more about him but I would not buy packs for him unless his stats were off the hook.
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    I’ve never read the books but I know enough about Calhoun to think he and his crew could be good additions. I wonder how the Never Non-Canon crowd would react, however...
  • I believe it's Mirror K'Ehleyr that was shown to be a book character, so it seems the general idea is available to them.
  • Since Mirror K'Ehleyr is a Timelines Original, I have always assumed that DB "created" her even though someone else put her in a book (even if the book was first).
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  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder how the Never Non-Canon crowd would react, however...

    My take....who cares? Lol. It does not hurt the game one bit to have non-canon characters in it. If you don't want a non-canon card, the beauty is you don't have to keep any of them, just airlock to your heart's content.

    A lot of people also didn't want TAS crew in this game either, and I for one am elated they are in this game, in fact, we need more of them. TAS had a ton of potential for deeper stories and it'd be a waste to leave that all to staying as an obscure 70s cartoon.

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  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    One way DB could bring in book characters would be to have a storyline about that crew and ship throughout a mega event. Bring in elements of the books into the mega event storyline to introduce the characters. Have Captain Calhoun be the event recurring crewmember. Give some teasing and info in forum and fb the week before pointing people towards the books. I think it could work if DB could get permission from the author of the book.
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder how the Never Non-Canon crowd would react, however...

    My take....who cares? Lol. It does not hurt the game one bit to have non-canon characters in it. If you don't want a non-canon card, the beauty is you don't have to keep any of them, just airlock to your heart's content.

    A lot of people also didn't want TAS crew in this game either, and I for one am elated they are in this game, in fact, we need more of them. TAS had a ton of potential for deeper stories and it'd be a waste to leave that all to staying as an obscure 70s cartoon.

    Amen to that. I can understand why Roddenberry was hesitant to include TAS as a canon work but if you look past a few things it was incredibly charming in its own right.
  • @(HGH)Apollo is right. We need a mega-event that’s all about Originals and crew taken from books, comics, and The Animated Series. They could even go so far as to limit the use of “canon” crew to just one per each event, so that we get at least two new crew each week. Though I should go ahead and point out what any purist would; that there are still PLENTY of characters from the actual shows to use that haven’t yet been included. Personally, I say let’s use both!
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  • Bluebeard1Bluebeard1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, I think that I might be the only person hare to say a definite "no".
    Not because of any personal objections to non-cannon or anything like that, but honestly, I really didn't think the books were very good.

    I read the first 6 or 7 when they first came out and I did enjoy them as an adolescent, but they were definitely aimed at a young adult audience. Looking back now, I would find the storylines pretty hard to swallow, and the writing style harder. (I'm currently reading Homer's Iliad for comparison, lol. Also hard to swallow and a tough writing style, but probably easier to read.)
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2019
    I was also a fan of these books as an adolescent. They were fun. Lots of insider Star Trek humor -- like why Number One, Nurse/Doctor Chapel looked the same and had the same voice as the computer.

    I think it might be fun to introduce a few crew from that series to the game, but I'd do it slowly, and I'd start with ones that have versions already in the game: Lefler and Selar, for example.

    This also reminds me. Why don't we have Lt. Cmdr. Shelby in the game yet?!?!?!?! Maybe if they do a re-run of the Borg mega event, she could be the recurring legendary.
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  • I was also a fan of these books as an adolescent. They were fun. Lots of insider Star Trek humor -- like why Number One, Nurse/Doctor Chapel looked the same and had the same voice as the computer.

    I think it might be fun to introduce a few crew from that series to the game, but I'd do it slowly, and I'd start with ones that have versions already in the game: Lefler and Selar, for example.

    This also reminds me. Why don't we have Lt. Cmdr. Shelby in the game yet?!?!?!?! Maybe if they do a re-run of the Borg mega event, she could be the recurring legendary.

    Shelby is beyond overdue. No clue as to why they have held her out this long.
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  • [7TW] UnkieB[7TW] UnkieB ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was also a fan of these books as an adolescent. They were fun. Lots of insider Star Trek humor -- like why Number One, Nurse/Doctor Chapel looked the same and had the same voice as the computer.

    I think it might be fun to introduce a few crew from that series to the game, but I'd do it slowly, and I'd start with ones that have versions already in the game: Lefler and Selar, for example.

    This also reminds me. Why don't we have Lt. Cmdr. Shelby in the game yet?!?!?!?! Maybe if they do a re-run of the Borg mega event, she could be the recurring legendary.

    Shelby is beyond overdue. No clue as to why they have held her out this long.

    Would definitely be a welcome crew.
  • If it's not just "No one at DB cares about her," it might be that someone at CBS is reluctant to approve her after the shenanigans with her licensing to Pocket Books.
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    middlehead wrote: »
    If it's not just "No one at DB cares about her," it might be that someone at CBS is reluctant to approve her after the shenanigans with her licensing to Pocket Books.

    Forgive me for being totally oblivious. What are you talking about?
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  • KaiteeKaitee ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ron Moore got a talking-to for dropping a reference to 'Captain Shelby' into 'You Are Cordially Invited', since Pocket Books put her in their novels on the basis that she wouldn't be used on screen again, so they'd have the only say in what happened to her from that point on. I don't know the specifics but apparently the arrangement did have some official licensing weight, not just a casual understanding.

    They later 'explained' that there are two captains with the surname Shelby, which isn't a big stretch of the imagination of course, but seems a bit, I dunno, nitpicky.
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    If we cannot get Captain Shelby can we get Captain Planet?
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  • KaiteeKaitee ✭✭✭✭✭
    If we cannot get Captain Shelby can we get Captain Planet?

    You need to merge Geordi, Wesley, Nechayev, Keiko, and Chakotay. Good stats but only works against Malon.

    (It actually was Geordi too.)
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    What about Piper? I liked the Piper books. First reference (IIRC) to someone having to make a head call.

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  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    What about Piper? I liked the Piper books. First reference (IIRC) to someone having to make a head call.

    https://www.tor.com/2012/04/26/mary-sue-fights-fascism-diane-careys-dreadnought-and-battlestations/

    I think it would be awesome if DB had a poll about the different trek books and comics and the top winners were put into the game. I really enjoyed the mirror TNG comic addition. I liked getting and reading the comics and then getting the crew in events. Would like mirror Barclay too from that comic.
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  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    What about Piper? I liked the Piper books. First reference (IIRC) to someone having to make a head call.

    https://www.tor.com/2012/04/26/mary-sue-fights-fascism-diane-careys-dreadnought-and-battlestations/

    I think it would be awesome if DB had a poll about the different trek books and comics and the top winners were put into the game. I really enjoyed the mirror TNG comic addition. I liked getting and reading the comics and then getting the crew in events. Would like mirror Barclay too from that comic.

    I really liked the addition of the Mirror characters from the comics. I need to check back. The Reference Librarian was getting the graphic novels. Our local library now had a pretty good sized Adukt Graphic Novel section.


    I only have an older pic, from before the collection expanded to shelving on the other Wall, to the left:


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    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • KaiteeKaitee ✭✭✭✭✭
    First reference (IIRC) to someone having to make a head call.

    So I got it eventually but that's not a euphemism we have here, and for quite some time I was trying to figure it out and all that was coming up was Data having spare heads like Kryten that he keeps in a cupboard and talks to occasionally.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kaitee wrote: »
    First reference (IIRC) to someone having to make a head call.

    So I got it eventually but that's not a euphemism we have here, and for quite some time I was trying to figure it out and all that was coming up was Data having spare heads like Kryten that he keeps in a cupboard and talks to occasionally.

    She was at the helm, had to leave (the head is off the right rear of the Bridge, IIRC), returned and three more alien Ships had shown up to fight over whatever was being fought over........
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
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