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Shouldn't he have the trait of Human? Proto Worf has a trait of Klingon.
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Surely Borg Queen should have the telepath trait, Tuxedo Nog should be a veteran and a gambler, I could go on forever.
Luckily there's a thread to post this on here... https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/10931/trait-audit-thread-new#latest
Why should Borg Queen have telepath?
Because skes connected to all the drones and cam hear their thoughts? With that line of thinking all Borg should have that trait.
No. Borg is using tech for that not telepathy. And Borg cannot communicate that way with nonBorg while telepaths can communicate with almost everyone... even with Borg.
This.... very much not a telepath, the hive mind and telepathy are very different
Let's not go down that road, please.
I have an artificial implant in my left eye that restores my sight. By the same reasoning I have no sight.
Per Wikimedia: "Telepathy is the purported transmission of information from one person to another without using any known human sensory channels or physical interaction." For the Borg, there is physical interaction with futuristic versions of transponders/receivers transmitting data and connecting to the brain. So, no, it's not telepathy. And in the Queen's case in particular, it's more like remote-control.
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The Borg Queen has no physical interaction with another Borg in order to communicate.
As for physical interactions, Is there one? My own implant in my eye has no real interaction with me, but only with the light that enters my eye. Does a Borg brain actually interact with any device, or do only the thoughts interact? A radio signal could be seen as a good example, the signal interacts with an arial which then interacts with a crystal which then sends out electronic data to a speaker. There is no direct interaction between arial and speaker. The only interaction within the device would be the signal itself (as in telepathy).
The etymology of the word is Greek from "tele" (distance) and pathos or -patheia (feeling, perception, passion, affliction, experience). It certainly fits with what she is seen to do on screen.
Btw, I am enjoying this, a good debate is always entertaining (on the condition that it remains civil).
Or the repeated assertion that Lwaxana Troi can only have telepathic contact with other telepaths (despite the fact that her daughter can do it with Riker)?
Memory alpha does actually include the Borg in the section entitled "telepathy and technology" as well as citing other technological solutions to telepathy.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Telepathy
Within the context of discussing the proper definition of a non-existent mental capability, this explanation is excellent in my mind. The borg solution requires both parties to have a technology implant in order to communicate within their mind, therefore the borg drone itself does not have the power of telepathy, the neural implant is simulating it. Since the concept of telepathy is a mental power, to me it would not make sense to extend this to technological solutions that simulate it.
I can think of examples to support both positions though. For example, if a being had a power to shoot phasers out of their hands without technology, would we also say that a person holding a phaser now has the powers to shoot phasers out of themselves? No, the technology does.
However, let's consider emotions. Generally we consider only living things to have emotions generating from an organic brain, but do we presume then it's impossible that an artificial brain will never be sophisticated enough to equivalently simulate emotions? Since the entire brain and being would be artificial, do we define those as emotions? How about defining "alive" (aka a great data episode)?
That is never asserted, it's very much the opposite. She's always trolling non-telepaths because she can sense their thoughts. There are telepathic races that can only communicate with those of the same species, or with other telepaths like Lwaxana, but Betazoids are definitely not in that category.
I will bow out gracefully, as I can see the opposition is too strong and that my own opinion is not supported by others. I will, however restate that Picard could hear the thoughts of the Borg without the aid of any technologial implants (I waslooking for a gif but couldn't find one, lol). Further to the point that Memory Alpha clearly states the Borg as telepaths.
That was a terrible moment though that was never explained, why he could suddenly hear them (never before without implants) and conveniently found their ship's weak spot. That was just the writers being lazy and was a completely weak moment IMO.