Citation advice - da Vinci vs White Rabbit
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After chasing after Medic Reno, and not getting her, I was lucky enough to drop two cards I've been after a while - da Vinci and the White Rabbit.
Now, I've got two cites, Soji *was* going to be the recipient of one, but I figure I'd rather bump one of those up to 3/5.
The question is, which one? My main aim is for voyages, I can get 10 hours every now and again, and both look pretty similar from usefulness.
So any advice would be appreciated - *ding, ding, ding* let the fight begin!
Now, I've got two cites, Soji *was* going to be the recipient of one, but I figure I'd rather bump one of those up to 3/5.
The question is, which one? My main aim is for voyages, I can get 10 hours every now and again, and both look pretty similar from usefulness.
So any advice would be appreciated - *ding, ding, ding* let the fight begin!
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When you have the necessary citations available, see if there's a better option than White Rabbit. If not, that's where I would put the citations.
I recommend stockpiling honor in case there is an honor sale in the future. Spend at your own risk.
I picked up White Rabbit recently, and it's pretty much just for show more than anything else! It seems a card that is better as a want than a have (see above!). Perhaps I should have taken that third star on Kal-if-ee Kirk after all!
Leonardo has much healthier Voyage numbers - 3935 is pretty good, and while he's technically Sci/Eng/Med, his Eng and Sci Voyage numbers are nearly identical, so he performs slightly better in Eng/Med Voyages than his skill order suggests. Time has been relatively kind to Leo - even if you do outclass him this year, 3935 will still get him a Voyage seat whenever one of your top dogs is eventing or whatnot for years and years to come. Again, a few Caretakers will replace him eventually, but in this case will only tack a few extra total points on. He's also got eight traits which look like they'll get some usage here and there - not least if the Inspiring Collection gets tiered up like our Diplomats were recently. And he doesn't quite have White Rabbit's peak base, but he's close, and his secondary is well over 1000 too, giving him extra flexibility.
It's perhaps worth noting that I've had Leonardo for a couple of years now, and he's just itching to get into my gauntlets - but just never quite makes it, even at 65% (at least, for the past year).
Overall, I don't think either is worth four citations! To me, that's an enormous amount of citations, and neither character quite has the bite. Not a 4K Voyager, base superstar or event phenomenon. I could just see the case for adding three stars to Leo, or two to White Rabbit, maybe,but bringing them from 1 to 3 isn't going to help as much as bringing someone (like Soji, for example) to 5/5 for a quarter of the price.
And in general, it's simply not worth bringing anyone to any x/5 apart from 5/5. In the time it takes to pick up those last two citations, there's plenty of potential for better options to present themselves.
I'm a relatively low spender, mind you. If you're spending $20+ a month on this game, then you're probably raking in much more honor than me and don't need to be so careful with your cites!
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What does that mean? They’re both great and should both eventually be immortalized. Leo might have a little more power (while trait bonuses are small by themselves they add up over time) but the Rabbit can fill a more challenging skills gap for any kind of voyage, not just the dreaded ENG/MED combo. Which one should go first? That’s a tougher call...if you need more SCI help on voyages, go with Leonardo. If you could use a strong ENG shuttle crew when not on voyages, White Rabbit is good for that as well.
- I spend $10 a month on the campaign, and that is it.
- Have Leonardo at 1/5 (for aeons) and do not own White Rabbit.
- Check out here ... https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/14834/ray-s-law-of-ten-hour-voyages#latest ... where I detail how I comfortably made 10 hrs on a MED/ENG voyage without the Rabbit and Leo at 1/5 ... crew can be good at x/5 and make it to 10 hrs too!
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1. I do cite up crew one citation at a time, normally from 2+/5, with some exceptions (recently Warship EMA and Merry Men Crusher who were both 1/5).
I do this because I'm continuously trying to improve my crew and I identify good candidates beforehand to work on who I know will improve specific areas. I can sit around and wait for better crew to be created (e.g. Reno) but then I'd still need to get them in somehow (pack pulls, event ranking etc.) and the way I play, obtaining crew in that matter is not a 100% guarantee ... so I could be waiting around for the cows to come home while still not making 10 hrs on various voyage combos.
2. If I look at the event schedule I could probably make another 100k Honor within the coming few weeks considering there are at least two Skirmish events coming up ... so I could have either of the two immortalised by mid-May at the latest ... does that sound appealing to you?
I mention this because I think the advice being given above is not really around which of the two to cite but how to spend your Honor/citations ... does the "wait-and-see" methodology appeal to you?
3. In a vacuum ... if you are not making 10 hrs on voyages ... then Leonardo is probably the best recipient, just because he has the best overall voyage stats, coupled with traits, to be a part of 10 hr voyages where his skills aren't the two featured skills. As mentioned above, his two primary skills are quite equal and that's actually really nice for a voyage where you need to boost multiple skills.
If you specifically want to get ENG/MED to 10 hrs, then White Rabbit is the way to go ... but be warned, just the Rabbit alone won't get you there, you need a strong support crew ...
My personal decision model is to go wide (solid, flexible crew - e.g. Soji, see below) before I go tall (good in one area - e.g. Merry Men Crusher).
4. So then I think ... if you're not making 10 hrs very often, why not cite Soji? ... She's absolutely solid (even though I stated in another thread I wasn't too excited, but that's because for me she doubles up voyage combos I'm already strong at) and would be a great addition to most mid-game rosters.
So, unless you plan to buy a ton of post-mega-event discount packs ...
Conclusion
... I actually think you're better off citing Soji with the info you give (now and then hitting 10 hrs on voyages). She's on par with Cornwell for voyage utility ... go-to crew for very little investment cost (1 citation).
Anyway, that's my 2 cents ... and if anything, the above comments show you can't really go wrong in citing either one, because no matter what citation method people have ... these are two strong citation options.
1/5 or 3/5 crew stats doesn t increase very much, from 4/5 to 5/5 it does significant. Plus, Soji is the best voyages crew with MED/DIP skill combo(Med as main) and as well a great shuttle crew thx to 1200/1000+ bases for main skills.
Regarding ur question. Neither. Both are not worth to waste cites on them.
If any than the Rabbit thx to MED/ENG voyages use.
But yeah, ur game ur way to play. If u just wanna see ur favorite crew 5/5 regardless if their stats are useful or not, then just do whatever you like.
No judging her. Good luck.
Ha! Now that I reached the cheevo a while back, I’m up to 10,000 gold trainers. I don’t see it being an issue again. I was really scraping my bowl for quite a while there though so I’m guessing what you’re saying is you don’t put a ton of value on that wascally wabbit
@Prime Lorca [10FH] - I like to see progression, especially in the current situation, so I'm not great at saving cites! Plus one of the cites is from this campaign. I anticipate being able to FF them inside 2 - I'm also terrible at saving honour. The Christmas "Miracle" made me think though, but I've still got a few crew I want to see FF before I start saving.
@PenguinJim - My Caretaker is at 2/5, and I've since my second one dropped I've had several Guinans and an oil slick, but no more banjomen sadly! I only play the Gauntlet casually, mostly as it combines boredom and frustration, so I'll tend to have a few 3-21 streaks per week, but rarely finished inside the top 20 these days. I'm happy to be patient for those to drop.
Spending-wise, I'm usually a low spender - monthly dil and campaign, odd LTO - but been using beer tokens for the last few weeks on things other than beer
@Dirk Gunderson - I was looking at Rabbit's ENG/MED combo, I've only got 5/5 Imprinted Archer who adequately covers that combination, the rest the ENG or the MED is tertiary.
@RaraRacing - thank you for the link to the thread, I can get 10 hours on a few combos, and MED/DIP I'm reasonably well covered with Cornwell/Darth Bashir/Crell/DA McCoy/Goddess Troi, but I'm going to have a good read through that thread, see what I add to my current setup.
Normally I would talk in terms of VORP, but with so few ENG/MED crew (just Archer, the Rabbit, and the new Reno) even Leonardo will have a pretty good VORP for ENG/MED voyages over anyone else not named Loken, Amanda Rogers, Torpedo Surgeon McCoy, Nude Phlox, or the Caretaker (I think that’s all of them). I’ve had both immortalized for a long time and have gotten a ton of use from both of them on voyages and shuttles, so that’s why I think you can’t go wrong with either.
Giving the mega event crew a citation as soon as you earn her, will give a bonus across the entire event, saving chrons, making shuttles and skirmishes easier.
My advice is to wait until you have enough honor and citations to get a crew to 5/5, before moving them from 1/5. You might put two stars on White Rabbit, then get another copy of da-Vinci, or a better med/eng from an event.
I agree with this. Most mega recurrings have been strong. I was sour on Tenevik cuz I have like 632 COM/COM/DIP but he’s up there with the best of what I have. I think only recently acquired North Star T’Pol has eclipsed him. Garth is good. Picard and One is flame.....
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SCI/ENG and SCI/MED crew are indeed quite common, either of those combos with ENG or MED are still uncommon but no longer impossible to find (I think there are seven in total), ENG/MED with SCI tertiaries are quite rare (three now, counting the new Reno), and any combination of ENG/MED/COM is rarer yet (of which there are two, and one of those two is somewhat of a power creep victim).
MC Mayweather (“can’t belay this”) would go to the top of my citation list for sure, no doubt about that.
Hi Jim, please could you elaborate on this point? I regularly finish in the top three, am able to get long runs but do not drop any of the cards in the Gauntlet. I assumed it was random. I am interested to learn your strategy.
I'm going to fish for Soji in the post-mega packs, as I did with Picard/No. 1 - unless the crew offers me something significant, I no longer add a star right away.
@(HGH)Apollo - got 43 legendaries are 3 or 4 stars, none of them really add anything at this point except maybe Bounty Hunter Mudd (4/5), but I've got Ba'ul and TP Chuckles FF (a sixth star of whom was my first drop when trying to get Reno, yay) who offer the same ENG/SEC, but with a better tertiary in MED.
I want to thank everybody for their advice. I've opted to add 2 stars to the Wabbit, on the basis I'll have him FF inside 4 weeks and he'll join Imprinted Archer in the Awkward Combo Squad.
Definitely a lot of food for thought though.
The best advice I read about that was in a thread I started earlier in the year, I cannot remember who gave the advice so sorry for giving no credit
Save 100,000 spend 50,000. Save 150,000 spend 50,000 etc. That way you're saving and enjoying a cite every so often. ( Personally I gamble on a behold so the figures are slightly better and more frequent for me
There were two strategies, but I think one of them has diluted to the point of indifference. Still, I'm keeping it a secret just in case!
As for tactics, there are many, many, many little tips and tricks to get ahead. It's not all RNG, there's a surprising amount of game theory involved. Well, surprising to me. When I started Gauntlet, I thought it was incredibly shallow and that there wasn't much scope for gameplay! It turns out, there are lots of ways to boost Gauntlet performance, like red-shirting. But I'm afraid I can't reveal all the tactics I've developed over the last two years, as you're my direct competition! Still, simply knowing that there are things to be done might be enough to get you thinking about non-obvious ways to do better. And it's worth putting the time in.
Drops are still random, but I tend to get a legendary about once every two weeks from Gauntlet. In my last six Gauntlets, four firsts and two seconds yielded two Armuses, a Guinan and a Caretaker (three from firsts), but that's extraordinary, and followed a ten-day dry spell.
I appreciate your candour... Game on. See you in the Gauntlet
I saw this nugget of advice on another thread but related to these two crew. Just to provide some perspective:
Event count
Da Vinci - 10
White Rabbit - 0
Imprinted Archer - 6
Medic Reno - a billion.
Read into those numbers what you want ... but Da Vinci's Hologram and Innovator traits has meant he's been bonus crew for me as recently as Dirty Rotten Holograms 2 the re-run (though not used because I have better immortal crew, but would have used him if immortal) ... that number is similar to bridge crew like Uhura and Archer.
Ah, the value of good traits.
Here are some other crew with limited event potential that I've read good things about on the forum and most players would consider citing them ... Gary Seven, Julia Tainer, Boothby Replicant, Captain Braxton, Professor Sato ...
I agree with Prime Lorca in that you ideally want to work on the versatile crew (why my recommendation order above was Soji, Da Vinci, White Rabbit) ... but just because a crew does not have a "disco" tag or is not bridge crew doesn't mean they don't have high (relative) event potential, but to find that out requires a bit of time and research.
We all play in different ways, which is part of what makes the game interesting. I am a practitioner of the "spend while saving" approach as opposed to the "save indefinitely to make a big splash" approach. There's also the "50K and spend" method. Nothing wrong with any process as long as it works for the individual player. My own method right now is to earn 55K, spend 50K. Convergence Day knocked me down to 12K honor, and I'm back up to 70K as my long-term savings base (total 117K at the moment, so when I hit 120K, Tuxedo Nog gets his 5th star and Lucille Davenport gets her 3rd star). Then I'll wait until I hit 125K before buying the next citation, and so on. Bring on the skirmishes!
Edit: it occurs to me that my comment has nothing whatsoever to do with da Vinci or the Rabbit. So, to stay true to the thread... I'd go with da Vinci. Hologram is a very useful trait in my experience.