Primal Mixed Behold - feedback and results

Ishmael Marx

One of the new features promised for version 8.2 was mixed-rarity behold packs. The community expressed some trepidation about what that might look like. The Primal Mixed Behold is the first implementation of it - so now we know. In short - a mix of rarities (in this case, 6x5* and 4x4*) with even chances of getting any of them (in this case, 10 cards, so 10% chances in each slot).

Now that we've seen it - what are your thoughts?

I decided to gamble on it. I have all the 4* cards and two of the 5* cards immortalized, so I was not thrilled about my odds, but wanted to try it out just for the experience. At 1300 dilithium, it's slightly less than the birthday-style beholds, so as long as I got one of my four needed legendaries, I'd call it a win. I did 1 pull - at this price point and with my crew situation, I wasn't willing to gamble more than that. (Drop the price and I might have tried more than once.)


Took Worf.

=j= JC Ravel

I had the same feeling. I gave it a try just for the novelty, but I think the price point is too high for multiple attempts. I'd rather take a guaranteed birthday begold at 1500 than a low probability begold at 1300. I say low probability, because in a birthday begold, I know I'm going to get the one card i really want. In the mixed behold, I have a 3 in 10 shot of getting the one I really want.

The only reason I might change my mind in the future is if I need and want literally every gold offered. Even then, I'd be nervous about the possibility of an all purple behold.

Make it 1000, and I'd be a lot more comfortable gambling. Honestly, I don't know why WRG nickels and dimes us to death so much. 1300? Why just a 200 discount? It just seems a bit tacky to me.

=j= JC Ravel

As a side note, I ended up getting lucky this time. The one gold I wanted most showed up in my trio. That doesn't change my premise though.

Zombie Squirrel

A „Cultural Figure Mixed Behold“ would have made more sense imho.

DScottHewitt

So, twice the price for a Pull that gives at least one Behold, plus nine other drops.

For a single Behold, albeit a more "directed" one?


Not sure the economics of the game support that kind of gamble. Maybe at the same price as a Ten Pull {Which people have posted at least four Beholds being a possibility} would be more in line with a doable price.

W.W. Carlisle

I made a single pull out of curiosity. I have all the 4* crew immortal, though I'm still working on Evolved Janeway and can use Paris. The promise of a 5* was a lot. I'm rapidly running out of purples that are useful. I only have Barclay and Sehlat Spock immortal, so any gold but those two is useful.
I hit Protomorphosis Riker, Horta, and Hoshi. I added the 3* to my Hoshi.
I'm thinking the pulls need to be discounted just a bit more.
*1500 dil is Faction Store/Birthday Behold with a gold guaranteed.
*650 guarantees a purple.
* That's a difference of 850 dil. This was a 200 dil discount. That's still TWICE a normal premium pull for one behold, albeit with a near guaranteed gold. 1000 would be better or even lower.
EDIT- Forgot I had Spock and I-Chaya immortalized too, plus it doesn't say a guaranteed gold. The stats just make it very likely.

Emperor Borg Drone (SC)

W.W. Carlisle wrote: »

* That's a difference of 850 dil. This was a 200 dil discount. That's still TWICE a normal premium pull for one behold, albeit with a guaranteed gold. 1000 would be better or even lower.

It doesn't guarantee a gold though. While it's very likely to have at least one gold in it (especially with the ratio of this pack) it could also be a purple-only behold.

I didn't go for it because I don't need or want any of the crew in the pack (except for Mutated Paris) but it doesn't seem pointless per se, as long as there's only a few options in it, like this time.

It could be a good idea to use it as a birthday pack for birthdays that aren't milestones (all the ones that are skipped at the moment). That way it would probably be appealing to those who like a specific character and it would still have a similar number of cards in it, which makes it less likely to be a complete waste of dilithium.

DScottHewitt

W.W. Carlisle wrote: »

I made a single pull out of curiosity. I have all the 4* crew immortal, though I'm still working on Evolved Janeway and can use Paris. The promise of a 5* was a lot. I'm rapidly running out of purples that are useful. I only have Barclay immortal, so any gold but him is useful.
I hit Protomorphosis Riker, Horta, and Hoshi. I added the 3* to my Hoshi.
I'm thinking the pulls need to be discounted just a bit more.
*1500 dil is Faction Store/Birthday Behold with a gold guaranteed.
*650 guarantees a purple.
* That's a difference of 850 dil. This was a 200 dil discount. That's still TWICE a normal premium pull for one behold, albeit with a guaranteed gold. 1000 would be better or even lower.

Does it say there is a guaranteed Gold? Has anyone got an all Purple non-mixed one? Or is every Pull mixed Purple/Gold?


Just asking for clarification. Since communication does not always happen in the game.

SoupKitchen Riker

I didn’t care for the possible crew this time around and skipped it. I might try one shot with different crew in the future. I don’t see it as a “multiple attempts” option at that price, but that may just be my opinion. Time will tell…

Ishmael Marx

DScottHewitt wrote: »

Does it say there is a guaranteed Gold? Has anyone got an all Purple non-mixed one? Or is every Pull mixed Purple/Gold

My read of it was an all-purple behold was a possibility, as was an all-gold one. The only promised behavior was that there would be no duplicates in an individual behold. If anyone does experience something different, it would good to know.

W.W. Carlisle

Well, based on the wording, I suppose an all purple behold is possible, but, considering the pool, it's statistically unlikely.



The pool is split 6/4 holds to purples with guaranteed no repeats.
First slot has a 40% chance of being a purple.
If the first slot is a purple, slot two has a 33% chance of being a purple.
If the first two are purple, slot three has a 25% chance of being purple.
If I remember my stats class from high school correctly, that means that an all purple behold would only happen 3.3% of the time.
I'll take a 96%+ chance of a gold, especially when there is better than an 65% of it being one I can use.
EDIT- Did more math. Odds of a begold is ~16.6%, so about 1 in 6. Not bad.

Captain Durf

I got two purples I already had fused and a gold I didn’t have (and didn’t really want). Overall, I feel the price is a total rip off for what you get.

Peets

I got:
Protomorphosis Worf (Not owned)
Protomorphosis Riker (2*)
Mutated Paris (3*)

I took the gold one Worf of course.