New in Vault-Mark Jameson.

DScottHewitt

Is today not Tuesday?

Missing a Tuesday Pack here.


Still no Pack as of 1328 my time. {Eastern}

Captain P (ESB)

Yes. I am also still waiting for the Tuesday Pack.

Zombie Squirrel

Same here. Tuesday packs seems to be delayed.

Automaton_2000

He's been in the vault for a while. He's also missing a few traits.

Romantic: While his ego and lust to recapture his youth was briefly an afront to his wife, their relationship features heavily in the episode, including her accompanying him on the mission in the first place, Jameson chasing after her like a horndog https://i.imgur.com/0OTMMy3.png , them kissing https://i.imgur.com/n5gDtjP.png , etc.

JAMESON: I'm fine. I feel like a kid again.
ANNE: This ship is magnificent. It even has family quarters. Pity we didn't have them twenty, thirty years ago. We could have been together almost all of your career.

ANNE: Our anniversary is next week. Our fiftieth.
CRUSHER: In his heart, he's still the same man you married, Anne.
TROI: That's true. He still cares for you, despite the physical changes he's undergoing.

ANNE: Mark, can you hear me?
JAMESON: Yes.
ANNE: I'll always love you.
JAMESON: Annie with the golden hair.
ANNE: Flatterer. It's grey now.
JAMESON: I see only the gold.

Veteran: Jameson spent almost fifty years in Starfleet and has experience with missions in combat zones.

JAMESON: Forty-five years ago I negotiated a hostage situation on Mordan, Captain. Karnas was a young man then, but so was I. He seems to feel that I can handle the situation again.

KARNAS: They're dead, Jameson. A long time now. For a long time I thought you were dead, too.
JAMESON: I almost died a couple of times on missions, but I always made it through somehow.

Duelist: Jameson risks his life with an experimental drug in order to face off with Karnas mano a mano (which is even referenced in his flavor text). He never really has the chance to do so due to his condition so I can see this trait not being a lock, but it is both Jameson's and Karnas' motivation throughout the episode.

PICARD: He is the Admiral, Karnas. Before he left on this mission, he administered an overdose of an alien de-aging drug to himself. He wanted to face you with strength again, on even terms. This is what the drug has done to him.

JAMESON: Let me go. If I give myself over to him, he'll let the hostages go. It's me he wants.
PICARD: It means almost certain death for you, Admiral.
JAMESON: My life for how many hostages, Picard? Twenty? Let me go.

JAMESON: There are no dissidents, are there? No terrorists. You have the hostages.
KARNAS [on monitor]: And if I have? You're coming to Mordan, Jameson, and you're going to negotiate for their lives. And I'm going to ask a very, very high price.
JAMESON: What if I refuse?
KARNAS [on monitor]: Then the hostages will die. You've seen how my executioners work. They are still as efficient as they were, perhaps even more skilled now. You'll come, even if you don't have much honor left.

ChaosChild

None of those traits really apply to Jameson as he's shown here. If we ever get a Rejuvenated Mark Jameson card them I could easily see Duelist and Romantic being applicable, but not while he's in the chair. I'd disagree with Veteran though, with how it's been applied in the past it requires some serious combat experience (i.e. wartime), not just a couple of away missions that have gone sideways.

(HGH)Apollo

Great episode. Saw it recently. Wish he wasn’t another cmd-dip-sec. We have had so many of those. Why not give him some medicine since he is medically treating himself. A Com-Dip-Med would be quite interesting. Or give him a science tertiary. He was not a usual Admiral.

ChaosChild

(HGH)Apollo wrote: »

Great episode. Saw it recently. Wish he wasn’t another cmd-dip-sec. We have had so many of those. Why not give him some medicine since he is medically treating himself. A Com-Dip-Med would be quite interesting. Or give him a science tertiary. He was not a usual Admiral.

Couldn't agree more. With a slightly different skillset, and those numbers, he'd be really interesting. As it is, he's easily ignored even with that voyage ranking, just because there are so many other options out there already that are almost as good.

DScottHewitt

I would think "Duelist" was intended for someone actually going hand-to-hand with someone in a physical fight. he is there to NEGOTIATE. A form of Diplomacy. And he has both the Diplomacy Skill and the Diplomat Trait.

DScottHewitt

This is the kind of thing that that new-fangled "communication" stuff the kids are buzzing about might be a good use for.



Just saying.


Just my opinion.

(HGH)Apollo

Poor Luau Paris and Q are sad. You ended their holiday. Not sure where I am going to get the cites for more com-dip crew if they were to even drop. No citations left. Hope we see an honor sale soon.

DScottHewitt

(HGH)Apollo wrote: »

Poor Luau Paris and Q are sad. You ended their holiday. Not sure where I am going to get the cites for more com-dip crew if they were to even drop. No citations left. Hope we see an honor sale soon.

Since people felt compelled to waste Honour in order to be unpaid interns, probably be one in a few days.

Shan

The theme pack is still scheduled for today but will go live a bit later than usual

Automaton_2000

ChaosChild wrote: »

None of those traits really apply to Jameson as he's shown here. If we ever get a Rejuvenated Mark Jameson card them I could easily see Duelist and Romantic being applicable, but not while he's in the chair. I'd disagree with Veteran though, with how it's been applied in the past it requires some serious combat experience (i.e. wartime), not just a couple of away missions that have gone sideways.

Of course romantic applies. The images and first quote are from the first third of the episode. Not to mention they were married fifty years, his wife accompanies him on the mission, four of Anne's five scenes reference their romance, he dies with her name on his lips... I could find 50 crew who have the trait who weren't engaged in romantic activity during the exact point in time of their art if the definition were to be that narrow.

Veteran is applied to more than wartime veterans and would be consistent with some of Picard's older Admiral variants having the trait. There's no canon basis for Herbert Rossoff to have it...Colonel Q is merely a Q in a costume with no "real" combat experience...Lonzak escaped a "Den of Crocodiles"...

In the same way that Cyberneticist is the Star Trek definition and not the modern definition, Veteran has not solely been applied to combat veterans. Starfleet is a defense force and almost fifty years in the service qualifies.

Duelist, under the definition of a one-on-one faceoff (not only with weapons/physical fight) as detailed in other crew below, can be applied here and given its importance to the plot of the episode (Karnas demanding to see him face to face to kill him, Jameson taking the drug so that he has the strength to face him) I think it fits. But like I said, this one I can see them not adding since by the time they do face off, he's near death.

DScottHewitt wrote: »

I would think "Duelist" was intended for someone actually going hand-to-hand with someone in a physical fight. he is there to NEGOTIATE. A form of Diplomacy. And he has both the Diplomacy Skill and the Diplomat Trait.

Racquetball O'Brien (DIP)
Dreamwalker Chakotay (DIP)
Portal 63 (DIP)
Duchamps (DIP)
Vulcan Executioner (DIP)
Locutus of Borg (DIP)
The Professor (DIP)
Warship Yar

Zombie Squirrel

Pack is live.

(HGH)Apollo

Congrats

(HGH)Apollo

I got ten packs, 1 T’pol, 1 Picard, four Grandma Kes, 4 Braxtons. I did get a Lissan though to finish her.

Trek1966

Good, dark character from one of the better TNG season 1 episodes.

DScottHewitt

Automaton_2000 wrote: »

ChaosChild wrote: »

None of those traits really apply to Jameson as he's shown here. If we ever get a Rejuvenated Mark Jameson card them I could easily see Duelist and Romantic being applicable, but not while he's in the chair. I'd disagree with Veteran though, with how it's been applied in the past it requires some serious combat experience (i.e. wartime), not just a couple of away missions that have gone sideways.

Of course romantic applies. The images and first quote are from the first third of the episode. Not to mention they were married fifty years, his wife accompanies him on the mission, four of Anne's five scenes reference their romance, he dies with her name on his lips... I could find 50 crew who have the trait who weren't engaged in romantic activity during the exact point in time of their art if the definition were to be that narrow.

If a version of Riker that was being violated in a way we cannot use the correct legal term for on this Forum has "Romantic", I don't even dispute it any more.

Jhamel

Got a Jamie in the second pack, together with a "God" Q to make the pull even better (haven't had Q yet). I used the DYC and cited him on top of it, so he's 3/5 FE now. He's 5th in voyages overall, so he's a beast!