It has been explained in other threads. For ships to have the scout trait they must be small. The Borg Scout is anything but small. I think the name should be changed to Borg Cube, not including scout.
Both have been asked 978 times before. Summary of previous answers is the Borg Scout Ship is inaccurately named, and the H.M.S. Bounty is Federation as it's been renamed and re-purposed from when it was PREVIOUSLY a Klingon ship
And, if I might add, why is HMS Bounty not Klingon
I've asked this and DB reply is that the Klingon ship was taken by Kirk and his crew in Star Trek 3&4.
So though built by Klingons it was being used by the Federation.
Not the answer that seems reasonable as most people would consider the builders of a spaceship to be the answer rather than the origins of the crew.
Both have been asked 978 times before. Summary of previous answers is the Borg Scout Ship is inaccurately named, and the H.M.S. Bounty is Federation as it's been renamed and re-purposed from when it was PREVIOUSLY a Klingon ship
So it should read 'Borg Cube' ? OK so there have been 978 server builds and game corrections but a typo is too complicated to get recertified by DB? Seems reasonable ;-)
Both have been asked 978 times before. Summary of previous answers is the Borg Scout Ship is inaccurately named, and the H.M.S. Bounty is Federation as it's been renamed and re-purposed from when it was PREVIOUSLY a Klingon ship
Also that unlike crew, they have a limit to the traits on the ship.
Because yes, technically the HMS Bounty is Federation, Klingon, Historic, War Veteran, Warship, Cloaking Device, Explorer. And maybe more if you want to invent more (like Time Traveller or something).
I'd also argue that the Prakesh should be considered Rutheless, NX-01 should be Historic and Shenzhou chould be a War Veteran.
But, DB has decided to limit 5* ships to 3 traits. So they picked the three most prominent ones, and it seems that the way it works is one "Faction" trait, and two others that are (to them) the most relevant).
That's the real reason.
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Both have been asked 978 times before. Summary of previous answers is the Borg Scout Ship is inaccurately named, and the H.M.S. Bounty is Federation as it's been renamed and re-purposed from when it was PREVIOUSLY a Klingon ship
So it should read 'Borg Cube' ? OK so there have been 978 server builds and game corrections but a typo is too complicated to get recertified by DB? Seems reasonable ;-)
It’s not a true Borg Cube, is my understanding. Generally, the default size is truly supposed to be proportionate to the canon dimensions of other ships in the game. The real, full-sized Borg Cube is too big to keep proportionate to other in-game graphics.
So they made it a mini-cube, and, rather appropriately, named it something different. Because it is different. Scout is supposed to refer to the fact that it is a mini cube.
Kind of like how the ships with the actual Scout trait are small ships, usually.
At least, that’s how I understood the whole thing. Personally, I just always call it the Borg Scout-Not-A-Scout Ship in my head...
It's the actual name of the ship. However, the Borg definition of a scout is gigantically different than every other faction's definition of a scout. Like by a factor of 100.
This has bothered me for awhile but I’m just now getting around to mentioning it. Why does the Borg Scout Ship not count as a Scout Ship in Voyages? Please fix this because it’s really frustrating.
Okay, hear me out. I know it's massive. But it's DEFINITELY a scout. If they want to locate new species, they send one cube. If they want to assimilate, they send a fleet of cubes, or even tactical cubes.
To that end, I would argue that the trait "Battlecruiser" is not correct. This ship wasn't DESIGNED for battle. It was designed to assimilate new species and information. Being superior at battle is just a side effect of the advanced technology. If anything, their Tactical Cube could probably have that trait.
In-game, they have given the smaller "Borg Sphere" the designation of "Scout." I would give it to both, why not?
Can we please replace the trait "battlecruiser" with "scout" on the Borg SCOUT Ship?
This has been discussed a number of times. The Scout trait is for small ships, not massive ones. The name of the ship should be changed, not the traits.
Also, IMHO this is definitely not the "Cube" ship type from the First Contact movie, for example.
It is a small version of it (never appeared in canon episodes, I think, though its existance is at least suggested in a couple of VOY episodes), and designed for reconnaissance purposes.
Standard, classic Borg cubes should be a lot greater (and powerful) of any other ships ever appeared (well besides Vyger, DD Machine and Voth mothership, maybe).
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The Borg scout ship was in the Next Generation. It was the ship that Huge was on. It was labeled as a scout, only had a crew of 5, hence the 3 of 5 designation that he originally had.
I agree though. They really need to call it something else or add the scout trait to it.
It shouldn’t matter what the size is. Scout is a job, not the size. If the purpose of the ship is to scout, it should have the trait. A Battlecruiser is more of a warship kind of purpose.
I believe the ‘Scout’ trait should be added to both the H.M.S. Bounty and the Borg SCOUT Ship.
During voyages no boost when assigning either ship despite them falling under the category of a Scout-Class vessel.
The Borg SCOUT Ship speaks for itself as it’s in its name.
During Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, Chekov informed Kirk that he saw “a scout-class vessel”.
This was the Klingon Bird Prey in orbit of the Genesis planet that the crew commandeered and renamed the H.M.S. Bounty.
I feel like DB wanted to limit ships to only having three ship traits though. One for allegiance, one for a type of ship (e.g. warship, historical, explorer), and one for a crucial component of the ship.
I for one am welcome for there being 4-5 traits per ship though. Some of them are just inadequately described in 3 traits. Bounty for example I think should also have Klingon due to its original design and basis.
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What's in a name? I mean, "Prisoner Bone McCoy" doesn't have the Prisoner trait. I've asked about that before too.
When Prisoner "Bones" McCoy was added to the game, there was no prisoner trait. It's a newer trait. They just haven't gotten around to adding it yet. Perhaps it should be added to the trait audit thread, if it isn't there already.
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Agree. Graphic looks like a cube as well.
The Borg Scout Ship is ~ 2.5M metric tons, according to Memory-Alpha.
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Why is the 'Borg Scout Ship' not classified as a Scout ship for a 150 antimatter bonus on 'Voyages' ?
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I've asked this and DB reply is that the Klingon ship was taken by Kirk and his crew in Star Trek 3&4.
So though built by Klingons it was being used by the Federation.
Not the answer that seems reasonable as most people would consider the builders of a spaceship to be the answer rather than the origins of the crew.
But hey this is DB we are talking about.
So it should read 'Borg Cube' ? OK so there have been 978 server builds and game corrections but a typo is too complicated to get recertified by DB? Seems reasonable ;-)
Also that unlike crew, they have a limit to the traits on the ship.
Because yes, technically the HMS Bounty is Federation, Klingon, Historic, War Veteran, Warship, Cloaking Device, Explorer. And maybe more if you want to invent more (like Time Traveller or something).
I'd also argue that the Prakesh should be considered Rutheless, NX-01 should be Historic and Shenzhou chould be a War Veteran.
But, DB has decided to limit 5* ships to 3 traits. So they picked the three most prominent ones, and it seems that the way it works is one "Faction" trait, and two others that are (to them) the most relevant).
That's the real reason.
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It’s not a true Borg Cube, is my understanding. Generally, the default size is truly supposed to be proportionate to the canon dimensions of other ships in the game. The real, full-sized Borg Cube is too big to keep proportionate to other in-game graphics.
So they made it a mini-cube, and, rather appropriately, named it something different. Because it is different. Scout is supposed to refer to the fact that it is a mini cube.
Kind of like how the ships with the actual Scout trait are small ships, usually.
At least, that’s how I understood the whole thing. Personally, I just always call it the Borg Scout-Not-A-Scout Ship in my head...
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The in-game definition of the scout trait applies to small ships, not something 2.5 million metric tons.
It turns out the Borg marketing department just isn't very good at coming up with descriptive names.
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To that end, I would argue that the trait "Battlecruiser" is not correct. This ship wasn't DESIGNED for battle. It was designed to assimilate new species and information. Being superior at battle is just a side effect of the advanced technology. If anything, their Tactical Cube could probably have that trait.
In-game, they have given the smaller "Borg Sphere" the designation of "Scout." I would give it to both, why not?
Can we please replace the trait "battlecruiser" with "scout" on the Borg SCOUT Ship?
It is a small version of it (never appeared in canon episodes, I think, though its existance is at least suggested in a couple of VOY episodes), and designed for reconnaissance purposes.
Standard, classic Borg cubes should be a lot greater (and powerful) of any other ships ever appeared (well besides Vyger, DD Machine and Voth mothership, maybe).
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I agree though. They really need to call it something else or add the scout trait to it.
It shouldn’t matter what the size is. Scout is a job, not the size. If the purpose of the ship is to scout, it should have the trait. A Battlecruiser is more of a warship kind of purpose.
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During voyages no boost when assigning either ship despite them falling under the category of a Scout-Class vessel.
The Borg SCOUT Ship speaks for itself as it’s in its name.
During Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, Chekov informed Kirk that he saw “a scout-class vessel”.
This was the Klingon Bird Prey in orbit of the Genesis planet that the crew commandeered and renamed the H.M.S. Bounty.
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I for one am welcome for there being 4-5 traits per ship though. Some of them are just inadequately described in 3 traits. Bounty for example I think should also have Klingon due to its original design and basis.
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When Prisoner "Bones" McCoy was added to the game, there was no prisoner trait. It's a newer trait. They just haven't gotten around to adding it yet. Perhaps it should be added to the trait audit thread, if it isn't there already.