Top pairs ( gauntlet ) and what we need to see this year.

Cpt. Caveman

I was thinking of what pairs we have in game, and what I hope DB works on this year. I think most of us have plenty of CMD / DIP / SEC. So, we need some ENG / MED / SCI love. But, what are we lacking in game? So, I decided to make a list of our top pairs, and rank them by totals *thanks go out to Wakabayashi, Zottex, and Peachtree Rex*

using pairs ranking for top combined scores ( gauntlet )

DIP / MED - 1083 - Guinan
CMD / SEC - 1062 - Kahless
DIP / SEC - 1025 - Gowron
SCI / MED - 1016 - Defensive Phlox
DIP / SCI - 997 - Locutus
ENG / SCI - 965 - Seven of Nine
SEC / MED - 943 - Mirror Phlox
CMD / DIP - 924 - Changeling Founder
SEC / SCI - 877 - Gangster Spock
CMD / SCI - 853 - Yarnek
CMD / ENG - 817 - Assimilated La Forge
CMD / MED - 793 - Sulan
ENG / SEC - 790 - Gangster Spock
DIP / ENG - 773 - Emotion Chip Data
ENG / MED - 660 - L Da Vinci

and using pairs ranking for 15th place of combined scores

CMD / DIP - 745 - Ambassador Soval
CMD / SEC - 738 - Mirror Kirk
DIP / SEC - 713 - Mintakan Riker
DIP / SCI - 616 - Formal Dress Wesley
DIP / MED - 592 - Sulan
CMD / SCI - 577 - Revolutionary Damar
ENG / SEC - 567 - Lt. Wesley Crusher
SEC / SCI - 546 - Drone Seven of Nine
CMD / MED - 542 - Antaak
ENG / SCI - 542 - Dr. David Marcus
DIP / ENG - 536 - Ambassador Soval
CMD / ENG - 529 - Colonel Karr
SCI / MED - 529 - Dr. Hippocrates Noah
SEC / MED - 518 - Alternate Future Bashir
ENG / MED - 439 - Mirror La Forge

I put in the 15th place picks to show how even at 15th place CMD / DIP / SEC scores are better than even the best ENG / MED combo. So either stats for ENG / MED need to be adjusted, or we need some new crew for those stats. If you use 1000 points as a decent base, we have a few crew above it, some below it, but ENG / MED is only 66% of other top pairs.

If you look at the bottom 5 of the top list, four of the bottom five are ENG stats:
ENG / MED
ENG / DIP
ENG / SEC
ENG / CMD
( you would think more of the developers would be ENG fans, and give them a boost )

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Then, I took a look at just base stats.

CMD - 1359 - First Officer Burnham
15th - 1074 - Captain Morgan Bateson
average of top 15 = 1165

DIP - 1279 - Zhin'tara Odo
15th - 1060 - Commander Troi
average of top 15 = 1158

ENG - 1217 - Cadet Sylvia Tilly
15th - 1074 - Lt Commander La Forge
average of top 15 = 1127

SEC - 1353 - Falcon O'Brien
15th - 1116 - Muskateer La Forge
average of top 15 = 1231

SCI - 1238 - Temporal Agent Daniels
15th - 1004 - Yarnek
average of top 15 = 1124

MED - 1371 - Dr. Hugh Culber
15th - 827 - Commander Troi
average of top 15 = 999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< MED needs some love

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And finally top 15 just MAX proficiency ( average would be better, but I was too tired by this point )

CMD - 852 - Kahless
15th - 542 - Captain Lorca
average of top 15 = 641

DIP - 867 - Gowron
15th - 569 - Rura Penthe Kirk
average of top 15 = 658

ENG - 587 - North Star Tucker
15th - 424 Lore
average of top 15 = 494 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ENG needs some love

SEC - 701 - Disguised Kira
15th - 549 - Admiral Janeway
average of top 15 = 595

SCI - 791 - Seven of Nine
15th - 478 - Mirror Spock
average of top 15 = 582

MED - 913 - Defensive Phlox
15th - 526 - Age of Sail Crusher
average of top 15 = 675

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So for discussion:

1. Do you think DB needs to adjust stats
2. Do you think DB needs to release new crew to fill gaps
3. Who would you suggest as an ENG / MED crew ( Tricorder.... MEDICAL Tricorder! )

Jim Steele

I have a few points:
Firslty Scotty is in need of some love, as his 5* variant is rather Pants!!
I'd also like to see a break in the wall of Khalesses / Mirror Picards in the Gauntlet. I'm not sure how they could refresh gauntlet mechanics to make it a little more 'interesting'.
Finally, for a ENG / MED crew we have Davinci so he was a start. Wasn't their a 7of9/EMH variant?

Cpt. Caveman

Body and Soul - When the Delta Flyer II is attacked, The Doctor must hide his program in Seven's Borg implants.

Cpt. Caveman

Arik Soong would have been my first choice, because of his work with Augments. But, they butchered him in game.

[DC] Picard Loves Reds

You could make an argument for a MED/ENG Bashir Variant. According to "The Armageddon Game," he took Engineering Extension classes at the academy. He also helped O'Brien with some circuitry work in "A Little Ship."

Cpt. Caveman

How about Ann Mulhall from TOS ( Return to Tomorrow )

astrobiologist aboard the USS Enterprise.

Mulhall ultimately allowed the energy being Thalassa to occupy her body while Thalassa's husband, Sargon, and their former enemy, Henoch, occupied the bodies of Kirk and Spock, respectively. This was done in order to construct androids in which her consciousness and those of the other entities could be housed permanently.

Pallidyne

Cpt. Caveman wrote: »

How about Ann Mulhall from TOS ( Return to Tomorrow )

astrobiologist aboard the USS Enterprise.

Mulhall ultimately allowed the energy being Thalassa to occupy her body while Thalassa's husband, Sargon, and their former enemy, Henoch, occupied the bodies of Kirk and Spock, respectively. This was done in order to construct androids in which her consciousness and those of the other entities could be housed permanently.

And its Diana Muldaur! Yay!

[10F] Belle'Anna

I was looking at the super rares earlier and discovered this. The approximate percentage of primary stats


Dip / Sec / Cmd / Sci / Eng / Med
27.25 / 22.5 / 16.75 / 12.5 / 11.5 / 9.5

I need to look at legendaries next but Med, Eng and Sci definitely needs more love in the super rares. When was the last time we had a med primary in the purples?

The Great Gornholio

They have given us some pretty good MED, SCI and ENG lately, but I will agree they really need some better ENG for gauntlet. And I mean 3 skill ENG, none of this 2 skill junk lol

Pallidyne

[10F] Belle'Anna wrote: »

I was looking at the super rares earlier and discovered this. The approximate percentage of primary stats


Dip / Sec / Cmd / Sci / Eng / Med
27.25 / 22.5 / 16.75 / 12.5 / 11.5 / 9.5

I need to look at legendaries next but Med, Eng and Sci definitely needs more love in the super rares. When was the last time we had a med primary in the purples?

I almost spoke up with Commander Chapel, but she's SCI primary and MED secondary.... its definitely been a while

The Great Gornholio

I just decided to look through the Wiki, and it looks like the last time we had a MED primary 4* in an event was:




Been a while lol

Ivanstone

Cpt. Caveman wrote: »

1. Do you think DB needs to adjust stats
2. Do you think DB needs to release new crew to fill gaps
3. Who would you suggest as an ENG / MED crew ( Tricorder.... MEDICAL Tricorder! )

If there's one area of the game where MED isn't hurting its the Gauntlet. Yes, there's less MED characters in total but there's still some solid variety of characters to choose from at the high end.

DB should just consider redesigning a few characters from the ground up starting with Captain Scott.
Since his vest is unique to the character, adding a bunch of CMD or SCI with maybe a little bit of ENG would be good.

Pallidyne

Ivanstone wrote: »

Cpt. Caveman wrote: »

1. Do you think DB needs to adjust stats
2. Do you think DB needs to release new crew to fill gaps
3. Who would you suggest as an ENG / MED crew ( Tricorder.... MEDICAL Tricorder! )

If there's one area of the game where MED isn't hurting its the Gauntlet. Yes, there's less MED characters in total but there's still some solid variety of characters to choose from at the high end.

DB should just consider redesigning a few characters from the ground up starting with Captain Scott.
Since his vest is unique to the character, adding a bunch of CMD or SCI with maybe a little bit of ENG would be good.

And then feature Scotty in an event! (Horrified at the thought look)

The Great Gornholio

Pallidyne wrote: »

Ivanstone wrote: »

Cpt. Caveman wrote: »

1. Do you think DB needs to adjust stats
2. Do you think DB needs to release new crew to fill gaps
3. Who would you suggest as an ENG / MED crew ( Tricorder.... MEDICAL Tricorder! )

If there's one area of the game where MED isn't hurting its the Gauntlet. Yes, there's less MED characters in total but there's still some solid variety of characters to choose from at the high end.

DB should just consider redesigning a few characters from the ground up starting with Captain Scott.
Since his vest is unique to the character, adding a bunch of CMD or SCI with maybe a little bit of ENG would be good.

And then feature Scotty in an event! (Horrified at the thought look)

Yes please! If anyone deserves to be an ENG powerhouse I think it should be Scotty. ENG, SCI, CMD 😉

Dralix

The Great Gornholio wrote: »

Yes please! If anyone deserves to be an ENG powerhouse I think it should be Scotty. ENG, SCI, CMD 😉

For gameplay reasons it would be great if Captain Scott had at least a secondary skill. But then again, he may be captain by rank, but he never wanted to be anything else but an engineer.

The Great Gornholio

Dralix wrote: »

The Great Gornholio wrote: »

Yes please! If anyone deserves to be an ENG powerhouse I think it should be Scotty. ENG, SCI, CMD 😉

For gameplay reasons it would be great if Captain Scott had at least a secondary skill. But then again, he may be captain by rank, but he never wanted to be anything else but an engineer.

Fair point, but even if that were the case he should still AT LEAST have SCI secondary.

Ivanstone

Dralix wrote: »

The Great Gornholio wrote: »

Yes please! If anyone deserves to be an ENG powerhouse I think it should be Scotty. ENG, SCI, CMD 😉

For gameplay reasons it would be great if Captain Scott had at least a secondary skill. But then again, he may be captain by rank, but he never wanted to be anything else but an engineer.

He's always been Chief Engineer and that does mean he's expected and willing to lead his team of engineers to do what's best. Giving him hefty ship bonuses is no substitute for a solid amount of CMD.

(CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••]

I think villainous EMH would be a good eng med combo

Cpt. Caveman

Only 5 ENG / MED in game atm:

Leonardo da Vinci 5*
Delta Flyer Paris 5*
Doctor La Forge 4*
Changeling Bashir 4*
Rianna Mayweather 4*

Z•A•P•P ©™

I'm not understanding what the "Pairs ranking" numbers are in reference to. They don't add up to the minimum or maximum combined rolls. What am I missing?

Cpt. Caveman

zapp, on the top 100 spreadsheet that was put out a while back, there is a listing for "top pairs" that shows who the top DIP / SEC, or MED / SCI ... for every possible pair. It's mainly for gauntlet, when the RNG gives you 2 stats, and puts your crew that matches. This adds the top proficiency numbers of those two skills.

*After I posted the chart below, I noticed the numbers were different from my first post. That is because my starbase bonuses on my copy of the spreadsheet are higher than default. The default also usually has current gauntlet trait bonuses like desperate, brutal, borg... etc. So, the numbers might seem a bit off. Sorry if that led to confusion.

The spreadsheet can be found with link below, and after you open it... there is a tab at the bottom for top pairs.

https://forums.disruptorbeam.com/stt/viewthread/63245

I don't know if there is a link that goes to new forums. I have had this thread saved for a while for quick updates.

Cpt. Caveman

CMD / MED for example ( starbase bonuses will give slight differences )

Rk Name Skill - % of Max ( means how close they are to matching #1 on list )
1 Sulan 778 -100.00%
2 Defensive Phlox 770 -98.98%
3 Delta Flyer Paris 704 -90.47%
4 Dr. Toby Russell 697 -89.54%
5 Revolutionary Damar 675 -86.67%
6 Enabran Tain 668 -85.83%
7 Admiral Nechayev 638 -81.95%
8 Alidar Jarok 636 -81.66%
9 Antaak 633 -81.28% << this version has Antaak higher due to 25% trait bonus
10 Kahless the Unforgettable 619 -79.46%
11 Age of Sail Crusher 618 -79.39%
12 Apollo 614 -78.90%
13 Alternate Future Bashir 613 -78.75%
14 Mirror Phlox 601 -77.27%
15 Mirror Regent Worf 578 -74.19%

Z•A•P•P ©™

Very cool. Thanks for the clarification.