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When do you stop paying for packs? Even Beholds.

edited January 2018 in The Bridge
For those of you who actually use money.

I have 388 out of 481 Crew members
239 immortalized
54 Legendaries who need one or more stars
35 Super Rares who need one or more stars
7 Rares left to immortalize
All Uncommons and Commons immortalized.

I seem to have had incredibly low return on any packs. The vast majority are simply airlocked.
Because the conversion to Honor is so low, there doesn't seem to be any motivation to actually spend money.
The last Elusive Treasures special looked exciting, but only gave me 6 usable crew members which left 6800 honor, enough for a single rare citation.

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  • Althea BiermontAlthea Biermont ✭✭✭✭✭
    I’m in the same boat. I have immortalized all 1, 2 and 3 Star Crew. There are only 30 crew in the game that I don’t have any copies of. Currently I have 37 premium Portal 10 packs just waiting to be opened. I’m letting them accumulate until they refresh the premium portal to add a new batch of previously limited crew.
  • You have more patience than I. LOL
    I think I am the kid in the famous Psychology experiment who waited about 30 seconds to devour the cookie in front of them instead of waiting for the second.
  • Same boat. I’m mostly just looking for legendaries so offering beholds of super-rares doesn’t add anything to the offers for me. I’d rather be guaranteed a legendary (behold or not) and nothing else, but those offers are exceedingly rare it seems.
  • Brunt, FCABrunt, FCA ✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    I'm no big spender (monthly card and the occasional 10 for 10), but I finally got my two most wanted characters within the last month, 5* Damar and 4* Visitor Jake, so I'm just gonna hold onto my daily dilithium now since really nothing can personally top them.

    I'm really only interested in getting DS9 characters (as of today I just need 19 legendaries and 4* Gabriel Bell) and obviously I have a bunch of characters who aren't fully fused, but like you said the return from packs is low. Better to save it for future characters than chasing old ones in packs.
  • I still think they could tie VIP into some of these packs as exclusive offers. I am about VIP level 20 at this point, but see no benefit.
  • WaldoMagWaldoMag ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    I’m in the same boat. I have immortalized all 1, 2 and 3 Star Crew. There are only 30 crew in the game that I don’t have any copies of. Currently I have 37 premium Portal 10 packs just waiting to be opened. I’m letting them accumulate until they refresh the premium portal to add a new batch of previously limited crew.

    Same here with holding packs. I have 11 x10 in my second account and 38 in my main.

    As mentioned, usually looking for legendaries. Since picardgaff I have not gotten legendaries. Except for one in that elusive treasure that I made the mistake of getting, waste of 50 dollars. Of course, we all had luck of getting the Mariachi Q, thanks DB. This is the reason I am saving them. If I am going to get superrares I rather wait until more are in the pool.

    My overall luck since picardgaff has been bad.
  • I still think they could tie VIP into some of these packs as exclusive offers. I am about VIP level 20 at this point, but see no benefit.

    VIP would definitely help. I’m level 13 and at the rate I spend (monthly card/the occasional non-schematic special offer) I’ll never reach lvl 14 and get those sweet, sweet crew slots.
  • WaldoMagWaldoMag ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you hang in there you will get those last twenty crew slots eventually
  • I'm not really understanding the question since it seems you have given the answer already....

    But I would assume that for everyone the threshold of starting to pay and quitting to pay is different. I'm a small whale having spend double VIP 14 but I have no doubt there are many peeps having spend much much more.... I have stopped spending money on anything except the monthly card and the occasional 10 for $10 in the rare occasion that I get it. Anything else I won't do. I have pretty decent crew but I'm only at 235 slots so when there is another slot sale I might add some but overall I am fine with what I have and where it gets me.

    I have to say that my main enjoyment of the game comes from my fleet and so I hope that that get better in the future because I think that that is where this games future is at.
    I don't need the best or most competitive fleet, something in between a hang out friend group and a top competitor is perfect for me.
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  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not really understanding the question since it seems you have given the answer already....

    But I would assume that for everyone the threshold of starting to pay and quitting to pay is different. I'm a small whale having spend double VIP 14 but I have no doubt there are many peeps having spend much much more.... I have stopped spending money on anything except the monthly card and the occasional 10 for $10 in the rare occasion that I get it. Anything else I won't do. I have pretty decent crew but I'm only at 235 slots so when there is another slot sale I might add some but overall I am fine with what I have and where it gets me.

    I have to say that my main enjoyment of the game comes from my fleet and so I hope that that get better in the future because I think that that is where this games future is at.
    I don't need the best or most competitive fleet, something in between a hang out friend group and a top competitor is perfect for me.

    Interesting question from this. Think I will start a thread
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    I mainly just buy event packs for extra stars on my legendaries. I need as many 5/5 as I can get for voyages.
    Let’s fly!
  • JhamelJhamel ✭✭✭✭✭
    I didn't buy the elusive treasures this time as the danger was just too high of hitting an already immortalized 4* or 5* crew member (especially the most recent mirror crew).
    "Everything about the Jem'Hadar is lethal!" - Eris (ST-DS9 Episode 2x26 "The Jem'Hadar")
  • VIP should give an honor bonus. Maybe 10x at VIP 14, 5x at VIP 10.

    That would certainly take a lot of the bite out of wasted pack purchases and let us focus money into building who we want to build with citations.
  • I think honor credited should be 10% (though even 5% would be nice) of the overall cost in merits of the matching Citation. That way you could hand in 10 of one Rarity for a single citation of an equal rarity. As it stands now, it is barely 1% of an equal Citation. Even if it was 5% it would make the game more flexible and enjoyable. I think that DB would actually see an upsurge in spending.
  • Frank?Frank? ✭✭✭✭✭
    I lack 9 Legendary crew that I have no copies of.

    I have 8 Super Rare crew that need stars.

    None of the above 17 are in the standard loot tables.

    I have 108 premium 10x portal pulls sitting. I have 261 premium 1x pulls sitting. They will continue to sit until the loot table has been updated with whom I'm missing.

    Elusive Treasures was nice, because I actually got stars on the purples I needed, and one of the golds I didn't have. The issue is when the new 3x3 packs come out weekly (3 Gold, 3 Purple) and I have all but the one new guy in it. I'm just not down to spend crazy money chasing that one guy. So i play the patient waiting game. Every behold I could get today from the loot table would be a bust.
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  • I haven't gotten to the point where a behold is full of cards I don't need (2 out of 3 maybe, but not all three). if it does happen though that'll probably be the point I dial back.
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  • FutureImperfectaFutureImperfecta ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    VIP should give an honor bonus. Maybe 10x at VIP 14, 5x at VIP 10.

    That would certainly take a lot of the bite out of wasted pack purchases and let us focus money into building who we want to build with citations.

    This DB
    Absolutely this.

    Or at least some variation
    Like maybe an escalating multiplied bonus

    VIP 6 - 2x honor
    VIP 7 - 3x honor
    VIP 8 - 4x honor
    VIP 9 - 5x honor
    VIP 10 - 6x honor
    VIP 11 - 7x honor
    VIP 12 - 8x honor
    VIP 13 - 9x honor
    VIP 14 - 10 honor

    This would be a consistent rewarding system for making purchases, encouraging more.

    Edit add : even if this was just for super rares and Legendarys.. half the scale for rares and below
  • 270 immortalized, vip14 here. I miss about 30 characters in total. I’ve started to skip deals and purchases. I went for elusive treasures which was ok but only gave me 7 I could use in 4 packs. Add the low honor return and I have reached the point of diminished returns.

    I simply can’t motivate more spending for so little return.

    Add more VIP levels, sort out full house beholds and make the airlock honor worth it and I would keep spending.

    From now on it will just be the odd event pack.

    Strange business model this that motivates some spending but then say thanks, but no thanks we have had enough of your cash and we are going to look for someone else to start spending.

    Or could this be a responsible game company that actually discourages spending?
  • IvanstoneIvanstone ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    Maybe tie some bonus honour to:
    1 - Gain honour proportional to the amount of dilithium you buy
    2 - Gain honour proportional to the VIP dilithium bonus
    3 - Gain honour proportional to the amount of dilithium you spend

    Option 2 is probably the most flexible. Its a minor buff for monthly card buyers but someone who buys a $50 item will get a fatter honour bonus. This will also let high or longtime spenders to gain some value from their steadily increasing VIP numbers.
    VIP 13 - 310 Crew Slots - 1055 Immortals
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    VIP should give an honor bonus. Maybe 10x at VIP 14, 5x at VIP 10.

    That would certainly take a lot of the bite out of wasted pack purchases and let us focus money into building who we want to build with citations.

    This DB
    Absolutely this.

    Or at least some variation
    Like maybe an escalating multiplied bonus

    VIP 6 - 2x honor
    VIP 7 - 3x honor
    VIP 8 - 4x honor
    VIP 9 - 5x honor
    VIP 10 - 6x honor
    VIP 11 - 7x honor
    VIP 12 - 8x honor
    VIP 13 - 9x honor
    VIP 14 - 10 honor

    This would be a consistent rewarding system for making purchases, encouraging more.

    Edit add : even if this was just for super rares and Legendarys.. half the scale for rares and below

    @Shan
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • For me, it's this month - just hit VIP 12 after about 10 months of playing, so I feel like I'm good with just the monthly card for now. I have nearly all the versions of the characters I like, 4 shuttles regularly returning gold trainers, and a ton of good cards to level up. The events have provided a steady stream of new characters, so I think that'll be enough variety for a while - I'm not fussed about hitting a high rank.

    But if DB puts Trader Odo in an event pack again, or a particularly winsome illustrated card for another favorite character, I'll probably spring an extra $9.99 to make sure I get those. :smile:
  • You stop when you think you should
  • I was a monthly card before, but I haven't bought anything in over a year, because of lack of crew slots. After I finish all of the characters that I already have, then I can think about using the huge pile of stored free pulls I have.
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