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Does DB control the STT Wiki page?
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Does anyone know if DB controls the STT Wiki (stt.wiki)? The reason I ask is because there have been some edits recently - specifically regarding Voyages and the voyage-only crew - that have made me question if DB is editing and/or controlling the STT Wiki pages.
I recently submitted a trouble ticket, as have others here on the forums, regarding The Clown not dropping when "The Voice of the Prophets" dilemma triggers during a voyage. I've followed the algorithms posted here in the forums as well as the info on the wiki. Unfortunately, when TVotP triggers, choice "C" has been grayed out, even after selecting choice "A" in "The Beginning of the End"....(this is an entirely different topic).
Anyway, the CS rep assigned to my ticket was, unfortunately, quite dismissive and did not address the issue. She did, however, say one thing that made me start to question who controls/edits the Wiki. She said, "We'll update the Wiki once we have more information." I went back to the Wiki page on Voyage Dilemmas a couple of days later and all of the voyage-only crew have been wiped from the dilemmas; the algorithms on how to get these crew members are no longer listed.
This got me thinking - how much does DB edit the STT wiki pages? The Wiki is an independent player resource and not affiliated with DB. Players have dedicated A LOT of time and resources to make the STT Wiki what it is today. I would be a little concerned if DB started editing the Wiki. When I use the Wiki - specifically the item drop rate charts (great resource!) - I think there is a sense of truth and integrity with these given that this information has all been generated by players and willingly shared with the player base. The same could be said for percentages calculated for Dabo prizes, etc. I can understand the command and control that DB has in the forums - they are, after all, their official forum pages. However, the Wiki is independent of DB. What's to say that DB doesn't edit other pages in the Wiki to better serve their bottom line? I understand the Wiki pages can be edited by anyone, but is there a line that is crossed when DB starts to edit the pages?
I'm just curious what other players think. Should DB edit the Wiki in an official capacity? If they do edit pages, are they interfering too much? Looking forward to hearing/reading the thoughtful and respectful dialogue on this.
For those "TL;DR" forum readers - Does DB control/edit the STT Wiki? If so, is this good, bad, or no big deal?
I recently submitted a trouble ticket, as have others here on the forums, regarding The Clown not dropping when "The Voice of the Prophets" dilemma triggers during a voyage. I've followed the algorithms posted here in the forums as well as the info on the wiki. Unfortunately, when TVotP triggers, choice "C" has been grayed out, even after selecting choice "A" in "The Beginning of the End"....(this is an entirely different topic).
Anyway, the CS rep assigned to my ticket was, unfortunately, quite dismissive and did not address the issue. She did, however, say one thing that made me start to question who controls/edits the Wiki. She said, "We'll update the Wiki once we have more information." I went back to the Wiki page on Voyage Dilemmas a couple of days later and all of the voyage-only crew have been wiped from the dilemmas; the algorithms on how to get these crew members are no longer listed.
This got me thinking - how much does DB edit the STT wiki pages? The Wiki is an independent player resource and not affiliated with DB. Players have dedicated A LOT of time and resources to make the STT Wiki what it is today. I would be a little concerned if DB started editing the Wiki. When I use the Wiki - specifically the item drop rate charts (great resource!) - I think there is a sense of truth and integrity with these given that this information has all been generated by players and willingly shared with the player base. The same could be said for percentages calculated for Dabo prizes, etc. I can understand the command and control that DB has in the forums - they are, after all, their official forum pages. However, the Wiki is independent of DB. What's to say that DB doesn't edit other pages in the Wiki to better serve their bottom line? I understand the Wiki pages can be edited by anyone, but is there a line that is crossed when DB starts to edit the pages?
I'm just curious what other players think. Should DB edit the Wiki in an official capacity? If they do edit pages, are they interfering too much? Looking forward to hearing/reading the thoughtful and respectful dialogue on this.
For those "TL;DR" forum readers - Does DB control/edit the STT Wiki? If so, is this good, bad, or no big deal?
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If DB is now censoring data from the wiki that's problematic, but the wiki moderators can revert the page.
Good point. I didn’t think about how would we know about achievements such as Locutus if they didn’t put it there. I stand corrected
That’s right - Nod did some good things for the Wiki.
I think “censoring data” is a better way to describe what I think is happening, at least with the Voyages page.
They were not there for the past couple of days. Just looked again and now they are back. Someone must have reverted them back. Whoever did, thanks!
I received my response from CS on 24 January. They were gone on 25 January through this afternoon at least. I refreshed multiple times on both my computer and phone because I was so surprised they were gone...which was my whole point of this post. The icons for the voyage-specific crew were not listed with their respective dilemmas. I wish I had taken a screen shot. Very strange.
https://stt.wiki/w/index.php?title=Dilemmas&oldid=167304
Last edit on January 26th
https://stt.wiki/w/index.php?title=Dilemmas&oldid=167595
The current page with the last edit on the 17th at 12:07
https://stt.wiki/w/index.php?title=Dilemmas&oldid=167680
I'm not sure what you saw, but I see no indication of the crew being removed from the wiki.
In the upper right bit of the page you'll find a link to "View history". There you have a full list of edits, including the name of the editor, the date, and a link to the page they produced (just click on the date to see it).
For an editor there is no way to fake this page, and DB people are just editors.
If you find some indication of foul play, it would be best if you could use the time stamp to tell us which edit it was and what author it was. It would be very helpful.
That said, like AviTrek, I fail to see anything fishy happening.
It isn't a matter of foul play, but more DB editing the Wiki. Glad to see that there haven't been any significant edits on the Dilemmas page. I'm not sure what I saw a couple of days ago.
However, the CS rep still implied that DB would edit the Wiki page. Hopefully, if they do, it would be like Nod did (as mentioned above) and not for any other reasons. Thanks again for the input.
Nod was really good with it.
DB is aware of the wiki and gave the blessing for it - we don't violate anything with their contract with CBS and aren't profiting off it, so we are all good. It's entirely player funded. Feel free to throw the admins a few bits of spare change to help buy them a cold beverage.
The Wiki is run by players for players and we can all help it a bit by passing relevant info or supporting it by linking it or so.
Hi Frank 😊.