Daylight Savings Time

GhostStalker

I know this gets mentioned every year, but can we not adjust the times to compensate for the clock changes? Yes, I realize a lot of people probably like it better with things starting or ending an hour later, but its very INCONSISTENT when it comes to events.

During normal hours, noon eastern is when the events start/end AND the items/Dabo/etc refresh. It's consistent. During DST, the events are one hour ahead of that.

For the record, I want the refresh/chroniton surge/gauntlet times moved backwards one hour to match pre-DST times.

For Cardassia

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

This game already struggles with accommodating different time zones, and while the one hour of DST is annoying, it doesn't make that much of an impact compared to all the other time-based issues, and moving things an hour will just make anyone who isn't on DST feel the issue. I'd rather DB spent some time thinking about ways to help Euro folks and others on non-North American time zones rather than moving things at DST which honestly doesn't do that much.

And this is from a person on Eastern time, who gets DST with the rest of North America.

Pallidyne

lol not even all of the US does DST. (Arizona abstains)
Also some countries that do DST do them on different days.....

I think it's best to just not muck with it.

Yateball

Daylight Saving Time*
FYI

Dralix

For Cardassia wrote: »

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

As someone who doesn't save daylight, I'd say it should be abolished world wide. I think we've progressed to where it's not needed anymore.

Yateball

Dralix wrote: »

For Cardassia wrote: »

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

As someone who doesn't save daylight, I'd say it should be abolished world wide. I think we've progressed to where it's not needed anymore.

It's GLORIOUS when I gain an hour of sleep because I just waste it video gaming... but man the most recent one where it screws me an hour.... it's more torturous than anything

For Cardassia

Dralix wrote: »

For Cardassia wrote: »

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

As someone who doesn't save daylight, I'd say it should be abolished world wide. I think we've progressed to where it's not needed anymore.

I agree. It makes very little sense and the spring time one is always the worst. I've been losing sleep, coming in late to work, it's terrible.

It was supposedly implemented to "help farmers" or some such, but the one place in Canada that doesn't observe it is like, 80% farmers and they seem to be doing just fine.

Sadly, there are no signs of it disappearing.

AviTrek

DB isn't even consistent. Daily reset and dabo both shift an hour when Boston shifts an hour(or rather stays constant UTC which shifts the time in Boston), but event start/end at 12pm local time in Boston(and as a result shift in UTC).

WaldoMag

Daylight Savings Time was implemented for the saving of energy. It was noticed that the early sunlight if time was pushed forward would give more evening light. Thus, less usage of light at night. It was actually suggested to change time more than an hour.

I can tell you I do not want sunrise at 4:07am on the longest day here in Chicago. Also would have quite a few days with sunrise earlier than 4:30 am. Of course, the argument might be to keep DST all year long. But that brings up the problem of children going to school in the dark and drivers not being quite alert.

Pallidyne

WaldoMag wrote: »

Daylight Savings Time was implemented for the saving of energy. It was noticed that the early sunlight if time was pushed forward would give more evening light. Thus, less usage of light at night. It was actually suggested to change time more than an hour.

I can tell you I do not want sunrise at 4:07am on the longest day here in Chicago. Also would have quite a few days with sunrise earlier than 4:30 am. Of course, the argument might be to keep DST all year long. But that brings up the problem of children going to school in the dark and drivers not being quite alert.

That is the excuse given now by politicians but not correct:

"The New Zealand entomologist George Hudson first proposed modern DST. Hudson's shift-work job gave him leisure time to collect insects and led him to value after-hours daylight.[4] In 1895 he presented a paper to the Wellington Philosophical Society proposing a two-hour daylight-saving shift,[11] and after considerable interest was expressed in Christchurch, he followed up with an 1898 paper.[29] Many publications credit DST proposal to the prominent English builder and outdoorsman William Willett,[30] who independently conceived DST in 1905 during a pre-breakfast ride, when he observed with dismay how many Londoners slept through a large part of a summer day"

In the 1970s during the energy crisis it got some more attention and was adopted more broadly, but that is not where it originated.

Capt. Chaos

Dralix wrote: »

For Cardassia wrote: »

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

As someone who doesn't save daylight, I'd say it should be abolished world wide. I think we've progressed to where it's not needed anymore.

There's enough to go around already. Daylight is so bright it makes my eyes water. I like a nice dim environment, bathed in soft artificial light. Preferably with snacks.

For Cardassia

Capt. Chaos wrote: »

Dralix wrote: »

For Cardassia wrote: »

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

As someone who doesn't save daylight, I'd say it should be abolished world wide. I think we've progressed to where it's not needed anymore.

There's enough to go around already. Daylight is so bright it makes my eyes water. I like a nice dim environment, bathed in soft artificial light. Preferably with snacks.

Personally, on a more serious note, my skin actually can't take much sunlight, and I walk to work, so it's technically better for me when I can go to and from work when the sun's not up, or only recently up/setting. Walking around in full sunlight requires more work and effort on my part, although I still enjoy it.

[DCC] bebe has Badgey

Pallidyne wrote: »

WaldoMag wrote: »

Daylight Savings Time was implemented for the saving of energy. It was noticed that the early sunlight if time was pushed forward would give more evening light. Thus, less usage of light at night. It was actually suggested to change time more than an hour.

I can tell you I do not want sunrise at 4:07am on the longest day here in Chicago. Also would have quite a few days with sunrise earlier than 4:30 am. Of course, the argument might be to keep DST all year long. But that brings up the problem of children going to school in the dark and drivers not being quite alert.

That is the excuse given now by politicians but not correct:

"The New Zealand entomologist George Hudson first proposed modern DST. Hudson's shift-work job gave him leisure time to collect insects and led him to value after-hours daylight.[4] In 1895 he presented a paper to the Wellington Philosophical Society proposing a two-hour daylight-saving shift,[11] and after considerable interest was expressed in Christchurch, he followed up with an 1898 paper.[29] Many publications credit DST proposal to the prominent English builder and outdoorsman William Willett,[30] who independently conceived DST in 1905 during a pre-breakfast ride, when he observed with dismay how many Londoners slept through a large part of a summer day"

In the 1970s during the energy crisis it got some more attention and was adopted more broadly, but that is not where it originated.

[DCC] bebe has Badgey

You're not going back in history nearky far enough. Benjamin Franklin proposed DST in the 1700's and I'm sure he wasn't even the first person to suggest it.

For Cardassia

Pink Bebe wrote: »

You're not going back in history nearky far enough. Benjamin Franklin proposed DST in the 1700's and I'm sure he wasn't even the first person to suggest it.

He actually originally proposed it as a joke in a satire piece. He thought it was a ridiculous idea :P

GhostStalker

Guys, I didn't mean they should do it or not do it. I meant they're inconsistent. They've got the events starting an hour before the refresh now. Either move everything or move nothing!

Neems

GhostStalker wrote: »

Guys, I didn't mean they should do it or not do it. I meant they're inconsistent. They've got the events starting an hour before the refresh now. Either move everything or move nothing!

All of the non-event stuff is tied to their values in UTC, and last time I saw this kind of thing floating around on the forums, the official answer was that they either can't or don't want to change any of that. Events must actually be programmed to their values in EST (I'm assuming EST based on DB's location), so they stay Noon EST, regardless of the other resets.

Seems alright to me. I don't know that any of us would benefit much from them moving the event time to 13:00 EST.

<TGE> Clifford

Neems wrote: »

GhostStalker wrote: »

Guys, I didn't mean they should do it or not do it. I meant they're inconsistent. They've got the events starting an hour before the refresh now. Either move everything or move nothing!

All of the non-event stuff is tied to their values in UTC, and last time I saw this kind of thing floating around on the forums, the official answer was that they either can't or don't want to change any of that. Events must actually be programmed to their values in EST (I'm assuming EST based on DB's location), so they stay Noon EST, regardless of the other resets.

Seems alright to me. I don't know that any of us would benefit much from them moving the event time to 13:00 EST.

It would create slightly fewer problems for me, scheduling wise, but that doesn’t mean that I think they should change it. If this way causes fewer problems on their end, I can deal with it.

Davey1983

For Cardassia wrote: »

Dralix wrote: »

For Cardassia wrote: »

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

As someone who doesn't save daylight, I'd say it should be abolished world wide. I think we've progressed to where it's not needed anymore.

I agree. It makes very little sense and the spring time one is always the worst. I've been losing sleep, coming in late to work, it's terrible.

It was supposedly implemented to "help farmers" or some such, but the one place in Canada that doesn't observe it is like, 80% farmers and they seem to be doing just fine.

Sadly, there are no signs of it disappearing.

It was never for farmers. Farmers hate daylight savings. In fact, lobbying by farmers groups kept daylight savings from going into effect for years.

SpyOne

Yateball wrote: »

It's GLORIOUS when I gain an hour of sleep because I just waste it video gaming... but man the most recent one where it screws me an hour.... it's more torturous than anything

It **tsk tsk** twice for me: one day a year I only get 7 hours to accomplish 8 hours of work, and one day a year my shift is 9 hours instead of 8. All for no real purpose.

While the issue raised by the OP doesn't really affect me, I agree both that everything should move or nothing should move and that it is annoying that various things in the game that refresh every day don't refresh at the same time.

Dpmt

As someone in the Pacific Time zone under DST I by far prefer having DST, both in general and as it relates to game mechanics. Having an extra hour to clean up daily rewards in the evening after work makes the whole game much more enjoyable.

AviTrek

Aren't some of the non-event items tied to when/where you signed up for an account? I want to say the noon/midnight resets and chron boosts are designed for noon/midnight for everyone. So it picks the UTC time of local midnight based on where you are when you sign up and keeps that constant. I have a friend who I think signed up during standard time vs dst and his resets are an hour off from me. Also, everyone outside the east coast of the US has resets at a different time.

For Cardassia

Davey1983 wrote: »

For Cardassia wrote: »

Dralix wrote: »

For Cardassia wrote: »

And what about places that don't have DST, or Europe which starts/ends DST at a different time from North America?

As someone who doesn't save daylight, I'd say it should be abolished world wide. I think we've progressed to where it's not needed anymore.

I agree. It makes very little sense and the spring time one is always the worst. I've been losing sleep, coming in late to work, it's terrible.

It was supposedly implemented to "help farmers" or some such, but the one place in Canada that doesn't observe it is like, 80% farmers and they seem to be doing just fine.

Sadly, there are no signs of it disappearing.

It was never for farmers. Farmers hate daylight savings. In fact, lobbying by farmers groups kept daylight savings from going into effect for years.

That was just what I heard given as an excuse most frequently.

Despite my farmer grandfather complaining about it, and as I said, the one province with probably the most farmers doesn't have it. That's why I said "supposedly".

Dirk Gunderson

Dpmt wrote: »

As someone in the Pacific Time zone under DST I by far prefer having DST, both in general and as it relates to game mechanics. Having an extra hour to clean up daily rewards in the evening after work makes the whole game much more enjoyable.

Interesting...I like having update at 11 pm CST instead of midnight CDT because it allowed me to get a jump on scans, dilemmas, and shuttle missions before heading to bed. I’m normally a night person but work in the morning keeps me from going to bed at the ideal time of 1 or 2 in the morning.