After second run of Rule 125, time to dissolve the Ferengi Traditionalists faction?

Xoiiku

"We beat the Traditionalists." For the second time.

Update: Dissolving can mean merging the Ferengi Traditionalists with the Ferengi Alliance.

DavideBooks

Yes

To be replaced [assimilated] by the Borg.

Just Plain Simple Garak

Yes

DavideBooks wrote: »

To be replaced [assimilated] by the Borg.

Either the them or the Orion syndicate.

(HGH)Apollo

Yes

DB can eliminate Hirogen while they are at it.

·§ë· For the Many

Yes

DavideBooks wrote: »

To be replaced [assimilated] by the Borg.

I'd love a Unimatrix Zero instead.

Data1001

Yes

I heartily agree that there only needs to be one Ferengi faction. It's struck me as dumb from the first day I started playing STT, that there were two of them.

Commander Sinclair

Yes

They could open up the game so much more by splitting up some of the factions that are combined now. Some of them even have their own ships, so...

Hirogen
Andorian (As of ENT - not part of Federation)
Xindi (as their own Faction, not part of the Dominion)
Kazon
Species 8472
Tholian

Those are just the obvious ones to me. I also know there would be a huge coding development issue with even adding a single faction, so I'm not holding my breath for any changes.

[10F] Belle'Anna

Yes

Borg and Andorian I reckon. We need a few more Andorians to make a decent faction but they are a big part of the Star Trek Universe imo.

Ishmael Marx

Maybe

If dissolving means merging, then fine. The traditionalists have a few unique items that still need to be farmed.

Borg makes sense to me as a replacement. There are plenty of them in the game now, and their build items could use another source.

Or Vulcan. It doesn't make much story-sense, but for gameplay reasons, with as many Vulcans as the game has, the option to specifically farm for them separately from the other Federation crew would work for me.

Kaitee

Yes

Yes, but considering the Alliance/Traditionalist division is built into episode four, I can imagine combining them as a faction might end up causing a whole load of extra work.

Likewise it'd probably have knock-on effects in an episode, but I really feel like the Hirogen faction doesn't pull its weight compared to the others - there's only a few Hirogen, their 'numbers' are bulked out by the Voyager crew in WWII costumes which is a bit silly, and let's be honest they're a shambles of a 'civilisation' (they even admit it). I kind of think they could be easily enough replaced by a Delta Quadrant faction - the existing Hirogen, Borg characters (let's say they're post-Unimatrix and free, I mean how else are Borg being other people's bridge crew anyway), that scientist dude with the slingshot, the Malon guy, Kes, Think Tank George Costanza, and so on. Have an event to intro their 'new look'. And while we're being ambitious, if the Ferengi get combined to open up a spot, maybe make the new faction Holograms - toss in a couple of new characters from the episode where the Hirogen holograms rebelled and have them gather all the other holograms to their cause (not necessarily violent revolution, just 'we deserve rights too', like the Doctor with his novel). There's plenty in the game.

[DC] Principia

Yes

Put the Ferengi into one faction together, make one Delta Quadrant faction that can take on all of the Borg/Hirogen/Kazon/etc. stuff, that'd be great. Of all the things DB has told us would require a huge amount of work, though, I totally believe that having to fiddle around with a bunch of faction changes would be monumental.

[7TW] UnkieB

Kaitee wrote: »

Yes, but considering the Alliance/Traditionalist division is built into episode four, I can imagine combining them as a faction might end up causing a whole load of extra work.

This is why while we may eventually see factions added we probably won't see any existing ones changed or eliminated (and given their underlying code issues).

Data1001

Yes

[7TW] UnkieB wrote: »

Kaitee wrote: »

Yes, but considering the Alliance/Traditionalist division is built into episode four, I can imagine combining them as a faction might end up causing a whole load of extra work.

This is why while we may eventually see factions added we probably won't see any existing ones changed or eliminated (and given their underlying code issues).

See, I would think the opposite. You give some of the Ferengi Traditionalist faction-only items to the Ferengi Alliance, and then just use the Traditionalist faction as a "template" of sorts, and replace all previous Ferengi Traditionalist references and items with references and items from a new faction (Unimatrix Zero, for example).

Adding a brand-new faction to what already exists seems like it would take a whole lot more coding, I should've thought.

But then I will admit to limited knowledge of such things, and thus I may be "pontificating out of my posterior", so to speak...

Xoiiku

Yes

Ishmael Marx wrote: »

If dissolving means merging, then fine. The traditionalists have a few unique items that still need to be farmed.

Borg makes sense to me as a replacement. There are plenty of them in the game now, and their build items could use another source.

Or Vulcan. It doesn't make much story-sense, but for gameplay reasons, with as many Vulcans as the game has, the option to specifically farm for them separately from the other Federation crew would work for me.

I updated the OP to specify that dissolving means merging. I thought that was implicit, but that isn't the first time I've made that mistake, and won't be the last.

[7TW] UnkieB wrote: »

Kaitee wrote: »

Yes, but considering the Alliance/Traditionalist division is built into episode four, I can imagine combining them as a faction might end up causing a whole load of extra work.

This is why while we may eventually see factions added we probably won't see any existing ones changed or eliminated (and given their underlying code issues).

Updating the episode missions would take work, but it would also demonstrate that the choices we made actually matter. Alternatively, given that we are using chronitons to run those missions, does that mean we are traveling to previous timelines? As such, those episodes could remain as they are, while the current factions update to reflect the changes in the present timeline.

Ivanstone

No

Brunt will have his revenge. Even if its non-canonical.

Matt_Decker

Maybe

While I'd be happy to see the two Ferengi factions combined into one, for reasons stated above it would cause significant follow-on changes to one of the episodes in the game. So it looks like a huge programming lift, and I'd rather see DB focus limited resources elsewhere.

Sarjo

No

Really believe DB could merge the two without a massive (opposite of hen) up? I don’t. By all means have another faction in addition to the others. I have max honour for all factions so would appreciate that. Far better to give time and attention to new content. The episode rivalry among the Ferengi in the game mean the two having own faction centres makes sense.

Xoiiku

Yes

Would it be accurate to say that most of the No's and Maybe's are mostly about opportunity cost and path dependency?

Opportunity Cost, meaning that No and Maybe people would rather have DB work on other features.
Path Dependency, meaning that No and Maybe people think that merging the factions would take more work because it might also require changing those episode missions.

Aside from those concerns, it seems like most would be in favor of it. Particularly, if it could result in the addition of a new faction.

lokutus 11 sos

No

please make a borg event were we can get borg crew and schematics