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But why does Section 31 Her Imperial Majesty not count as an "Undercover Operative"?!?!?
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
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My suspicion was based on the Season Two trailer, where she was basically walking up to everyone she came across going "Look at my pretty Section 31 Black Badge!"
Just wondered because shehe is my top Voyage Security right now, and the Slotot Bonus was "Undercover Operative".
EDIT TO ADD: Another Kaitee post that made me chuckle!!!!!!!
I have to agree. At least so far, ST:DISCO's use of Section 31 makes zero sense. They're treating it as if it were an un-uniformed version Starfleet Intelligence, rather than a rogue secret organization that the Federation doesn't even acknowledge exists. Admiral Cornwell acting like a superior officer to both Pike and Leland, and telling them to work together on the bridge of a Section 31 ship (what!?!) completely ruined the concept.
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Let's never forget that that a Section 31 guard IN FULL STARFLEET UNIFORM AND WEARING A SECTION 31 BADGE was seen in the very first episode that actually took place on Disco.
I had high hopes for awesome, five layers of subterfuge, Section 31 stories when I saw the deleted scene from Season One. I really did. There were many excellent Section 31 stories in the other series, where what you thought was going on was not what was going on. Nor was what you thought was going on the second time. Or the third. And thus onwards........
Yup, that sums up the problem.
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Nobody knew who S31 was during the Enterprise era. They were always very deep cover.
I'm liking Disco S2 but their handling of S31 is kind of dumb. Leland and Georgiou should overtly be part of Starfleet intelligence and covertly part of S31.
Of course, that’s a problem, as Section 31 is supposed to be virtually unsanctioned and operating under deepest of cover at all times. It’s just another example of Discovery retconning another element of the Star Trek franchise under its mishmash of half baked ideas. The show has essentially recast Section 31 as a more hamfisted, transparent, and therefore less interesting entity, for the likely reason that the writers are lazy and don’t want to work with anything deliberate or abstract.
Those writers certainly don’t view themselves as such, but they are to Star Trek’s cannon what cancer is to a human body. And that cancer is metastasizing with each new bit of the established universe that they touch. If you are one of like three people who read or saw ‘Annihilation’, Star Trek Discovery is what happens when the Enterprise ventures into the shimmer. Fittingly, the mutations are probably going to get worse the deeper we go in.
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1} Writers not having to cater to "awareness" of an upcoming spin-off.
2} Writers/producers CBS caring about continuity and avoiding retconn.
#1 is probably the bigger problem!!!!!!
So they're not just this rogue agency running around playing James Bond for lulz while Starfleet doesn't have a clue - Starfleet (that is, the Admiralty, or at least enough to keep operations ticking over smoothly) obviously does know, they're just maintaining plausible deniability and not telling anyone below flag rank because they don't Need To Know. I don't feel like that's really such a drastic departure from Disco, where they seem to be like the black helicopter brigade, you're surprised if you ever actually see the badge in person but everybody who's been through the Academy has heard somebody talk about how they exist. My guess is that at some point during this whole Red Angel thing they're going to make a humiliatingly wrong call (like trying to blow her up at an inopportune moment, even though doing so would make Earth implode or whatever), and Starfleet decides S31's outlived its use, their internal culture is obviously too tainted by institutional paranoia, and it's time to shut them down and transfer their duties to regular Starfleet Intelligence, whereupon Section 31 is disbanded, and several high-ranking Admirals carefully Do Not Notice how the numbers of ships decommissioned and personnel reassigned aren't quite the same numbers as those Section 31 had on the books to begin with. A hundred years later, sure, if you dig into old documents you'll read about how there was this Section 31 agency doing intel work (and maybe those documents might suggest the work they were doing wasn't that critical anyway), but they're long gone.
I just finished Enterprise. Quick recap:
Reed was an Operative before his posting on Enterprise. Section 31 helped the Klingons kidnap phlox to cure a deadly virus that was caused by the Klingons trying to make Augments. Phlox developed a cure, but a side affect was de-ridging Klingon foreheads.
While talking to Reed's "handler" Jonathan was told about the origin of the agency.
Article Fourteen Section 31 of the Federation Charter says something along the lines of "In times of extreme crisis, the Federation can take extreme, even illegal, measures to resolve the crisis."
There is a second S31 feature in the late season 4 episode Terra Prime, where Reed barters with Harris to get information on the whereabouts of Baby Elizabeth in exchange for Reed once again being an agent. It was a shorter feature but showed that Section 31 was as connected to domestic politics and security issues as they were with foreign schemes.
I really like season four but not everything worked...
Yeah. RoboCop had a mine complex that was a spaceship. He took over the Verteron Array on Mars that was used to protect the colony from asteroids. His terrorist group was using the Xindi Incident, and a manufactured baby from Trip/T'Pol DNA, stir up fear and get aliens out of the Sol System. Travis's ex was a spy for Starfleet Intel pretending to be a spy for Terra Prime. Or Terra First. The terrorist group.