Bashir IS AN AUGMENT!!!
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Bashir isn't Engineered he is an Augment. If non-canon non-existant Picard, Riker and O'Brien are Augments then Bashir is also an Augment.
If Bashir was just Engineered and not an Augment then he wouldn't have to hide his deep secret. In TNG there is an episode in which they showed research station with Engineered kids.
Even Memory Alpha says how Bashir is Post-Eugenics Human Augment
If Bashir was just Engineered and not an Augment then he wouldn't have to hide his deep secret. In TNG there is an episode in which they showed research station with Engineered kids.
Even Memory Alpha says how Bashir is Post-Eugenics Human Augment
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Bashir is mentioned in that post, and it was acknowledged by Shan.
FYI in future, posting about a genuine glitch report is best done in that forum (after checking for an existing duplicate).
An Augment is a supporter of Khan in the Eugenics War.
An Engineered individual is someone who has been genetically augmented/modified.
You can be both (Khan himself, Malik, Persis)
You can just be an Augment (Arik, McGivers)
You can just be Engineered (Sarina, Bashir, Danar)
You can be neither (most any other character)
Now, DB has NOT been consistent so far with this yet, but I suspect they will with time.
Even putting politics aside, I'm fairly certain the "Augments" were genetically enhanced as embryos, whereas Bashir was modified post-birth. It's late enough he even has vague memories of his childhood before being enhanced.
The technical issue certainly needs to be resolved. Whether it's restoring the Augment trait, or just putting Bashir back in that collection without it, or remaking that collection "Engineered," et cetera . . .
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Remember, that wasn't so much intentional engineering, as it was an engineering mistake!
How about currently impossible? Max crew 9 and to complete the collection you need 10. I am so happy that I completed this collection before this mess.
He is not an Augment
I am hungry
I am not Hungarian.
That was sense
That was nonsense
It was pretty clear on the show that he was classified as an augment
I suppose its possible, he is both engineered and an augment, but either way he shouldn't of been removed from the collection.
This is like 2 versions of the EMH, who performed physician duties during the episodes those versions are from, not having the physician trait.
I should've cited Bashir before he was deemed a Fake News Augment. One away from the collection, and I figured another non-5* would come along at some point.
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Although I see your point, they were that way due to a mistake rather than an intent to make modifications. Well, that and the fact that Klingon geneticists needed 115 years of work to fix the problem that Arik Soong possibly could have handled in a weekend.
He isn't a member of the faction Augments. In this game an Augment is someone who belongs to that faction. It really is that simple.
Except I know of no star trek show evidence that supports this assertion by DB.
This makes complete sense because in the game we have "factions" and "Augment" is a "faction". Bashir never aligned with the views or actions of that group of individuals that were "Augments".
Indeed, we had this discussion months ago on the trait thread in the Make It So part of the forum -- and we came to the same conclusion. The only outstanding issue is how to fix the collection. Grandfathering in the Bashirs that were already part of the collection, etc., would be one good way to handle it.
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Everywhere else, it was termed something like "genetically enhanced." DB has chosen to use the term "Engineered." "Augment" is now a faction identifier, like KCA. Everyone who is part of Khan's faction (except for joiners like McGivers) should have both tags; otherwise they should just be Engineered.
I know of no Star Trek show that had an augmentED Picard or Riker either.
Yes but having an augment riker and picard were adding something, removing Bashir's augment status is taking something away. I think a better solution was to rework the faction store. There are hardly any Hirogen, only a few Augments now after the change, and a ton of Borg with no faction.
I understand the need for the "Engineered" trait, to cover crew like Airiam, but that should not necessarily also be applied to all who previously had the Augment trait, as it just muddles things up. I agree with the OP that Bashir is still an Augment. As a compromise, if they want to specifically have a trait for those who are part of that faction, then change all the crew who (prior to this most recent change) had the Augment trait to "Augmented"... and for those who align themselves with the faction, give them a trait like "Augment Faction" or something (and that could include Marla McGivers).
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
They do have that trait. It is "Augment". You're just arguing semantics at this point.
No, what I'm arguing is that Bashir should have the same trait as "Khan's Gang" (my own term). And if the reasoning behind removing it from him is that "Augment" is now considered to be a Faction rather than a genetic manipulation, then that's just silly.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
In this context, it makes more since to use Engineered as a broader catagory trait repressenting modified beings, of which augmented humans like Khan and Bashir are a subtype.
The Collection should be changed to the Engineered trait in order to preserve the intent of the collection.
FWIW, Roga Dagnar has none of these traits
Engineered is such a poorly chosen phrase... I mean, Data was surely engineered...
Because DB hasn't gotten around to changing all the things affected by this reassociation. They just released the change maybe 2 days ago. It'll take time for them to find where the change affects things it shouldn't affect and fix it.
Ideally this is something they should have considered before rolling out the change and that way when everything was assessed, then upon rolling out the change all affected areas would be properly changed too.
But we all know DB has little to no foresight or well-executed planning.
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There should Species, Affiliation and Traits
So Bashir would be:
Species: Human, Augment
Affiliation: Federation, Starfleet
Traits: Engineered, Physician, yadda, yadda
Whereas Augment Picard would be:
Species: Human, Augment
Affiliation: Augment
Traits: Yadda, yadda, yadda.
But DB opted to pile everything together and so confusion reigns.
That's a really good point, furyd. So when you and I make our own Star Trek game, we'll do it right.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"