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Do you think the iampicard crew management tool is fair and reasonable to allow?

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  • I do not care. Leave it alone and focus on improving the game interface.
    Thurthorad wrote: »
    [S14] Bri wrote: »
    Ultimately it’s all about how the developer considers it. And they’ve had it removed. STT is greater than Iampicard. I hope DB can implement some of the good ideas of Iampicard and possibly even compensate the creator for his ingenuity. But ultimately, I’m a fan of Star Trek and the game itself.

    Whilst the developer has been instrumental in the closure of the app and deserves some responsibility for actions done it it’s name, they did not actually shut down the app, the developer themselves pulled the plug after suffering online harassment from so called Star Trek fans.

    I didn’t have an iron in this fire until 2 days ago and I’m sickened by how all of this has gone down. Disruptor Beam/Tilting Point need to make a clear statement on this disowning the actions of some members of their fan base. The naked hate and anger displayed by some on this forum really shouldn’t be tolerated.

    And if it’s possible to track down users who have doxxed other players in the name of ‘fairness’ they should be banned from the game for life.

    Thanks for the info (the creator removed the app himself). By the way, I had to google doxxed, as I had no idea what that was. Yeah that’s harsh.
  • FetaroFetaro ✭✭✭
    edited January 2019
    pbert wrote: »
    Hmm, I hadn't looked at the source code for a while. It's true he must have added a server for the web app, but I don't think any of the player data required the server. I might be wrong and do not have the source code to find that out myself.
    I can send you the archive I downloaded from his github account this week-end.

    The player datas aren't stored on the server, but I'm sure some datas are. Such as the event related stuff used for the voyages, for instance, I don't see how he could have automated this part (which would explain why he said maintaining this app was like a 2nd job for him, it takes a lot of time and reactivity).
  • FlemmingFlemming ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do not care. Leave it alone and focus on improving the game interface.
    I only used the Google Sheet version, which was a nice and easy copy of my live data so I could so some fun data analysis for strategy in the game. Now that's gone, so I will have to move to more manual methods which are not as pretty.
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  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, iampicard automates the game and should be banned.
    [S14] Bri wrote: »
    Thurthorad wrote: »
    [S14] Bri wrote: »
    Ultimately it’s all about how the developer considers it. And they’ve had it removed. STT is greater than Iampicard. I hope DB can implement some of the good ideas of Iampicard and possibly even compensate the creator for his ingenuity. But ultimately, I’m a fan of Star Trek and the game itself.

    Whilst the developer has been instrumental in the closure of the app and deserves some responsibility for actions done it it’s name, they did not actually shut down the app, the developer themselves pulled the plug after suffering online harassment from so called Star Trek fans.

    I didn’t have an iron in this fire until 2 days ago and I’m sickened by how all of this has gone down. Disruptor Beam/Tilting Point need to make a clear statement on this disowning the actions of some members of their fan base. The naked hate and anger displayed by some on this forum really shouldn’t be tolerated.

    And if it’s possible to track down users who have doxxed other players in the name of ‘fairness’ they should be banned from the game for life.

    Thanks for the info (the creator removed the app himself). By the way, I had to google doxxed, as I had no idea what that was. Yeah that’s harsh.

    And apparently it is not illegal. It SHOULD be.........
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  • Yes, iampicard is fair and does not unfairly advantage players
    If DB and its partners want people who spend to play a game with an ever increasing amount of data to manage they either need to provide tools to manage that data or get out of the way of the people who do. I enjoy STT, but that is because I can be reasonably competitive for a modest investment. I use these tools to help me manage my massive crew. I do not want to do that manually. I do not have time or the skills with spreadsheets. Please figure out a way to sanction tools like this DB or risk losing my money back to games that do a better job with data management or just do not require it.
  • IvanstoneIvanstone ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, iampicard is fair and does not unfairly advantage players
    https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/11138/dilithium-the-final-frontier/p1

    I saved up dilithium for many months to try a maximum dilemma Voyage. The ONLY reason I was able to even accomplish it was because of Iampicard. That's real money spent on real premium game currency and the game didn't even want me to spend it.

    Is a 3rd party app accessing game information ideal? No, it isn't.
    Is a game only performing well when paired with a 3rd party app even less ideal? Yes.

    DB needs to attend to its own problems first. Then they can worry about the grey area surrounding Iampicard.

    Let's start with the Inventory screen. Should be easy peasy to fix.
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  • <TGE> Clifford<TGE> Clifford ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, iampicard automates the game and should be banned.
    Thurthorad wrote: »
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    i'm missing the magical part where it says that automated stuff takes all day, that everyone keeps referencing.

    A successful gauntlet round takes 8 taps. Go ahead, count 'em. In IAP it takes one.

    I could set a macro so that it will only run one ship battle at a time and just press start at every battle. Would that make it any less of a macro?

    Look, it's automation. You may view it as harmless automation. That's fair.

    You might view it as automation you subjectively find more favorable to yourself. That's fair too.

    But you know what my favorite part of this whole thing is?

    You know that bug you get with an empty voyage that keeps going and never runs into a dilemma?

    It is caused by IAmPicard. IAmPicard's interaction with the API causes bugged voyages, which people then ticket for, and waste CS's time, and get free stuff out of the deal, too. So. It's getting to a point where it's actually harmful to the game's ecosystem.

    thanks, this has been another forums post you'll all disregard in search of a more convenient truth that lets you keep your precious IAmPicard without feeling like you're gaining an unfair advantage over players who cannot use it.

    Continue on.
    Nothing is black or white here. It's definitely about degrees. When I investigated this I was looking for how it affected events. Bottom line it doesn't directly. It affects events only tangentially in the same way that people with more time or more money get to. So if there are people who can't use the app, there are also tons of people who can't afford to pay for advantage or have commitments that don't enable them to grind as efficiently as others. These are entitlements. Smart people have found a way to mitigate these disadvantages (that have nothing to do with the game and don't infer any form of merit having them either way). All those of us with spreadsheets have been doing the same thing for years now. Are you mad at me too for doing that? Are you mad that my friends give me advice and help me be more efficient? It helps, it doesn't play the game for me. And it gives no advantage in any area that involves interaction with another player.

    Honestly, it's weird that people are upset about this. Try it out for yourself. It just improves the experience of playing the game.
    Congratulation to the few haters that dont understand the tool. Thanks for ruining a great thing for the rest of us...

    Back to manual calculations

    Why do people assume that I, or others who think it shouldn't be allowed, haven't used it or read the source code?

    I've used it plenty of times. I understand how it works. That's how I know it's automation, that it's worse than a macro because of speed and ease of use. At least, it's faster and easier than the macros I use for printer settings at work, and breaks less frequently.

    I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm some angel or saint. I'm not. I never have been, I never will be. There you go.

    Man, I don't even remember how to balance voyages anymore. :lol:

    Time to relearn! :D
  • Bylo BandBylo Band ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am struggling to describe an appropriate and justified response to doxxing that is not in violation of the forum TOS.
  • Bylo BandBylo Band ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, thank you to those of you who thoughtfully engaged with me in my devil's advocate roll in this thread. I was honestly on the fence so I took the unpopular argument to see if I could be pursuaded, I am sad it was all for naught.

    In closing, will somebody give @SMM a cookie, lol
  • Yes, iampicard is fair and does not unfairly advantage players
    DB is obviously to buisy chasing ghosts to actualy fix any of the game persistent problems that so many of us keep talking about.
    but i guess they have to add more to the game because whats broken doesnt matter.
    i am bumping the 1000 item limit once again
    now i wont even be able to figure out whats what in game. thanks DB for causing such a great app to be put in the cross hairs, that actually helped sort all that garbage you couldn't even fix your self.
    maybe, BD you should have considered Highering IAP to your game and let the app enhance the game.
    but allass, IAP has been pulled from the net. a loss to the masses of such a great thing that actualy made a game better.
    i know a bunch of peeps who dont have smart phones able to play the game. i didnt have a phone able to play the game till only a few month ago. so i never had any of the Add Warps available to me untll them, are not those an unfair exploit that should be pulled.
    but DB obviously doesnt care about that, they only want your money.
    well you have gotten the last of mine. glad i didnt buy the last copy of data,
    guess ill be writing the game off.
    perhaps ill just sell my log in email to some one that wants a L72, VIP 13 with 456 crew
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  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2019
    No, iampicard automates the game and should be banned.
    ByloBand wrote: »
    I am struggling to describe an appropriate and justified response to doxxing that is not in violation of the forum TOS.

    I've been a victim of a similar type of thing, as were thousands of other law-abiding citizens in Virginia. A "reporter" for a Roanoke "newspaper" endangered thousands of lives, because of a loophole in a law. I, with countless other people, took action to have that loophole closed.


    Doxxing should be illegal. Someday, the laws will catch up with the real world and it will be. Bullying and harassment because you disagree with someone is childish and immature. At best.
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • Yes, iampicard is fair and does not unfairly advantage players
    Made me continue playing by returning some of the fun because it helped counter some of the WTF game design
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  • dogfeetdogfeet ✭✭✭
    Yes, iampicard is fair and does not unfairly advantage players
    allow me to simply voice my support for the iampicard tool and it's creator. i think he did a bang up job at solving a lot of the issues with the game that i and many others found frustrating, and it's my opinion that he did that without giving an unfair competitive advantage.
    i hope it can continue to be used in an honest way that's fair to all who choose to use or not use it.
  • No, iampicard automates the game and should be banned.
    I have tried the tool, including the gauntlet and voyage start features (once). It felt not right to use the tool in that way for me personally although I didn't feel strong enough about it to begrudge its use by others. Since then, I've only used it to determine my farming priorities (read-only functionality).

    However, as some people apparently abused the tool to gain huge advantages, there is a clear necessity to stop it until the tool cannot be abused in this way anymore.
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  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    However, as some people apparently abused the tool to gain huge advantages, there is a clear necessity to stop it until the tool cannot be abused in this way anymore.

    No, some people (apparently) abused the source code and compiled their own rogue tool/app. Big difference.


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  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, iampicard automates the game and should be banned.
    Data1001 wrote: »
    However, as some people apparently abused the tool to gain huge advantages, there is a clear necessity to stop it until the tool cannot be abused in this way anymore.

    No, some people (apparently) abused the source code and compiled their own rogue tool/app. Big difference.

    To-may-ter to-mah-ter.

    The developer apparently even said people were changing THE APP to "cheat". They apparently weren't "starting from scratch"
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  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, iampicard automates the game and should be banned.
    Data1001 wrote: »
    However, as some people apparently abused the tool to gain huge advantages, there is a clear necessity to stop it until the tool cannot be abused in this way anymore.

    No, some people (apparently) abused the source code and compiled their own rogue tool/app. Big difference.

    Cheating was accomplished through the app itself.

    Someone quoted the developer saying as much. Not sure if here, or one of the other seven threads about the situation.
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • Yes, iampicard is fair and does not unfairly advantage players
    Data1001 wrote: »
    However, as some people apparently abused the tool to gain huge advantages, there is a clear necessity to stop it until the tool cannot be abused in this way anymore.

    No, some people (apparently) abused the source code and compiled their own rogue tool/app. Big difference.

    Cheating was accomplished through the app itself.

    That is serious, and certainly that would warrant review and possible removal, regardless of the intent of the creator. I look forward to any more of the rest of the story coming to us, and I reserve the right to be wrong about the tool.
  • edited January 2019
    nepco16c5u5b.jpeg

    i'm missing the magical part where it says that automated stuff takes all day, that everyone keeps referencing.

    A successful gauntlet round takes 8 taps. Go ahead, count 'em. In IAP it takes one.

    I could set a macro so that it will only run one ship battle at a time and just press start at every battle. Would that make it any less of a macro?

    Look, it's automation. You may view it as harmless automation. That's fair.

    You might view it as automation you subjectively find more favorable to yourself. That's fair too.

    But you know what my favorite part of this whole thing is?

    You know that bug you get with an empty voyage that keeps going and never runs into a dilemma?

    It is caused by IAmPicard. IAmPicard's interaction with the API causes bugged voyages, which people then ticket for, and waste CS's time, and get free stuff out of the deal, too. So. It's getting to a point where it's actually harmful to the game's ecosystem.

    thanks, this has been another forums post you'll all disregard in search of a more convenient truth that lets you keep your precious IAmPicard without feeling like you're gaining an unfair advantage over players who cannot use it.

    Continue on.

    FUD. Complete FUD, and possibly slanderous.

    People in my fleet have had bugged voyages Without ever knowing the tool existed.

    For your statement to even possibly be true, DB's code would have to be so buggy that a single bad client release could ruin things. And they aren't THAT bad. Sorry.

    Besides, If this WAS the cause of DB's bugged voyages, one would think they would have done something about it FAR sooner, rather than having a CS endorse the tool and leave it on a sticky thready.

    Comment moderated. ˜Shan


    DB: Here's how you can fix this: Make Public APIs available to grab crew information. I'm willing to bet that 90% of the playerbase would be happy with something that could do the calculation and spreadsheet exporting for them, and don't necessarily need the extra conveniences provided.
  • 5000 Quatloos5000 Quatloos ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, iampicard is fair and does not unfairly advantage players
    What’s there to say, IRL the Romulans win. Sigh.
    Accepted. Mark them, Galt.
  • ShanShan ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your input on the matter is appreciated however this thread will now be closed.
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