I like Pike and Saru as well. And I’m totally on board with the graphics and how it has more of a movie feel to it versus a TV show. I just don’t find the story this season as good as it was last season. And I also agree with the person (if it was you take credit here) who said the show leans closer to straight fantasy then it does to science fiction
Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
EDIT: I'm going to give one more example of the difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. The "red bursts" that the Angel creates. Unless they're moving at warp 9.9999 like subspace radio, they're going to take a VERY long time to show up on sensors. This reminds me of that first episode, where Sarek goes "there's a new star in the sky." He was talking about that giant light beacon that the Klingon Sarcophagus ship blasted out. Which, um, doesn't make sense if it was just light. Light is fast, but this is space! When you put spectacle over practicality, you become fantasy. Looking at you, Star Wars.
I like Pike and Saru as well. And I’m totally on board with the graphics and how it has more of a movie feel to it versus a TV show. I just don’t find the story this season as good as it was last season. And I also agree with the person (if it was you take credit here) who said the show leans closer to straight fantasy then it does to science fiction
Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
They definitely have their go-to’s. I defend your fantasy point of view. Science Fiction itself is a bit of a stretch at times but a u universal network of mushrooms? A giant dust mite that can travel at warp? Whatever that world Tilly and Culber were in? However Culber materialized? Voq inside Ash? That stuff is too out there for me to get on board with
I like Pike and Saru as well. And I’m totally on board with the graphics and how it has more of a movie feel to it versus a TV show. I just don’t find the story this season as good as it was last season. And I also agree with the person (if it was you take credit here) who said the show leans closer to straight fantasy then it does to science fiction
Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
They definitely have their go-to’s. I defend your fantasy point of view. Science Fiction itself is a bit of a stretch at times but a u universal network of mushrooms? A giant dust mite that can travel at warp? Whatever that world Tilly and Culber were in? However Culber materialized? Voq inside Ash? That stuff is too out there for me to get on board with
Oh that's another one I still can't figure out! WAS there a Lt. Tyler? I mean I assume he existed, Starfleet had records of him. But they showed Voq enduring massive amounts of surgery to change his appearance. So um, what? Did Voq change his body to look like Tyler? Or did he copy his mind into Tylers? Does Tyler remember his entire life as Tyler? Seriously, what's the deal there?
I like Pike and Saru as well. And I’m totally on board with the graphics and how it has more of a movie feel to it versus a TV show. I just don’t find the story this season as good as it was last season. And I also agree with the person (if it was you take credit here) who said the show leans closer to straight fantasy then it does to science fiction
Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
They definitely have their go-to’s. I defend your fantasy point of view. Science Fiction itself is a bit of a stretch at times but a u universal network of mushrooms? A giant dust mite that can travel at warp? Whatever that world Tilly and Culber were in? However Culber materialized? Voq inside Ash? That stuff is too out there for me to get on board with
Oh that's another one I still can't figure out! WAS there a Lt. Tyler? I mean I assume he existed, Starfleet had records of him. But they showed Voq enduring massive amounts of surgery to change his appearance. So um, what? Did Voq change his body to look like Tyler? Or did he copy his mind into Tylers? Does Tyler remember his entire life as Tyler? Seriously, what's the deal there?
At first I thought Tyler never existed until they did the Voq thing then they planted him on the Klingon ship that Lorca was prisoner on, who wasn’t really even Lorca and.....oh no, I’ve gone cross-eyed. I stopped wondering at a certain point and stopped caring. What I do know is the Tyler dude is a terrible actor
I like Pike and Saru as well. And I’m totally on board with the graphics and how it has more of a movie feel to it versus a TV show. I just don’t find the story this season as good as it was last season. And I also agree with the person (if it was you take credit here) who said the show leans closer to straight fantasy then it does to science fiction
Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
They definitely have their go-to’s. I defend your fantasy point of view. Science Fiction itself is a bit of a stretch at times but a u universal network of mushrooms? A giant dust mite that can travel at warp? Whatever that world Tilly and Culber were in? However Culber materialized? Voq inside Ash? That stuff is too out there for me to get on board with
Oh that's another one I still can't figure out! WAS there a Lt. Tyler? I mean I assume he existed, Starfleet had records of him. But they showed Voq enduring massive amounts of surgery to change his appearance. So um, what? Did Voq change his body to look like Tyler? Or did he copy his mind into Tylers? Does Tyler remember his entire life as Tyler? Seriously, what's the deal there?
At first I thought Tyler never existed until they did the Voq thing then they planted him on the Klingon ship that Lorca was prisoner on, who wasn’t really even Lorca and.....oh no, I’ve gone cross-eyed. I stopped wondering at a certain point and stopped caring. What I do know is the Tyler dude is a terrible actor
That's another funny one. Writers room: "Hey guys, let's make up that everyone from the Mirror Universe has sensitive eyes because they're not used to so much light!"
(invent yet another ridiculous retcon for no reason other than it sounds cool)
I hope they do something special with her, rather than a pack or event.
As I suggested before, make the sevens and doctors drop from voyage dilemmas (the are from voyager). Make it a two part dilemma, and increase the odds of the second part appearing. That way all players get a chance to get her, and we get a reasonable chance to fully form her.
I like Pike and Saru as well. And I’m totally on board with the graphics and how it has more of a movie feel to it versus a TV show. I just don’t find the story this season as good as it was last season. And I also agree with the person (if it was you take credit here) who said the show leans closer to straight fantasy then it does to science fiction
Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
They definitely have their go-to’s. I defend your fantasy point of view. Science Fiction itself is a bit of a stretch at times but a u universal network of mushrooms? A giant dust mite that can travel at warp? Whatever that world Tilly and Culber were in? However Culber materialized? Voq inside Ash? That stuff is too out there for me to get on board with
Oh that's another one I still can't figure out! WAS there a Lt. Tyler? I mean I assume he existed, Starfleet had records of him. But they showed Voq enduring massive amounts of surgery to change his appearance. So um, what? Did Voq change his body to look like Tyler? Or did he copy his mind into Tylers? Does Tyler remember his entire life as Tyler? Seriously, what's the deal there?
At first I thought Tyler never existed until they did the Voq thing then they planted him on the Klingon ship that Lorca was prisoner on, who wasn’t really even Lorca and.....oh no, I’ve gone cross-eyed. I stopped wondering at a certain point and stopped caring. What I do know is the Tyler dude is a terrible actor
That's another funny one. Writers room: "Hey guys, let's make up that everyone from the Mirror Universe has sensitive eyes because they're not used to so much light!"
(invent yet another ridiculous retcon for no reason other than it sounds cool)
And Lorca definitely would NOT have told anyone about that since he was a villan hiding, disguised, whatever you want to call it.
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
Not sure how Burnham fits in.
Hooman raised as a Vulcan? Was my guess.
Excellent point, makes perfect sense! Although to gripe a little, this season's flashbacks REALLY don't make sense, do they?
They've got her coming into their home as a teenager, and then running away from Spock when he was basically the same size. But last season they had Sarek and Amanda at her graduation. This is what happens when you keep messing with the past!
You do realize that flashbcks can be from different time periods?
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
Not sure how Burnham fits in.
Hooman raised as a Vulcan? Was my guess.
Excellent point, makes perfect sense! Although to gripe a little, this season's flashbacks REALLY don't make sense, do they?
They've got her coming into their home as a teenager, and then running away from Spock when he was basically the same size. But last season they had Sarek and Amanda at her graduation. This is what happens when you keep messing with the past!
You do realize that flashbcks can be from different time periods?
YOU do realize that children GROW, right? Even Vulcan ones. Great way to measure the passage of time, too. They deliberately chose to use the same child actor for Spock in both the "meeting Michael" and "Michael leaving" scenes. Not on me, bro. Could have picked a slightly older looking child actor to play Spock. Not on me.
I like Pike and Saru as well. And I’m totally on board with the graphics and how it has more of a movie feel to it versus a TV show. I just don’t find the story this season as good as it was last season. And I also agree with the person (if it was you take credit here) who said the show leans closer to straight fantasy then it does to science fiction
Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
EDIT: I'm going to give one more example of the difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. The "red bursts" that the Angel creates. Unless they're moving at warp 9.9999 like subspace radio, they're going to take a VERY long time to show up on sensors. This reminds me of that first episode, where Sarek goes "there's a new star in the sky." He was talking about that giant light beacon that the Klingon Sarcophagus ship blasted out. Which, um, doesn't make sense if it was just light. Light is fast, but this is space! When you put spectacle over practicality, you become fantasy. Looking at you, Star Wars.
That Turbolift thing is very distracting, and also very silly.
I believe they said right out in dialog that the "light" from the Beacon of Kahless did also send a signal through subspace. I guess the subspace signal was keyed to translate into light to the people it interacted with? So, it would be the "Light" of Kahless? Or some kind of Treknobabble?
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
EDIT: I'm going to give one more example of the difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. The "red bursts" that the Angel creates. Unless they're moving at warp 9.9999 like subspace radio, they're going to take a VERY long time to show up on sensors. This reminds me of that first episode, where Sarek goes "there's a new star in the sky." He was talking about that giant light beacon that the Klingon Sarcophagus ship blasted out. Which, um, doesn't make sense if it was just light. Light is fast, but this is space! When you put spectacle over practicality, you become fantasy. Looking at you, Star Wars.
Star Trek is science fiction even when appearing to be fantasy. It approaches everything from a science-oriented mind set even though there are things that are pure fantasy like the Talosians, Q, Prophets, etc. Its soft sci-fi. Softer than my pillow. Softer than my cat. Its really high quality toilet paper soft.
The Expanse takes place at the same time as Star Trek but its Sci-fi is a little harder. It still has its fair share of weirdness that doesn't confirm to our present understanding of the laws of physics.
Star Wars, on the other hand, is a movie about wizards punching Nazis. This is important because sometimes we want to feel big (wizardly if you prefer) and punch Nazis in the face. Failure to punch Nazis in the face makes them uppity and do things like blow up planets. It doesn't try to be science fiction.
I'll put Battlestar Galactica in the same boat as Star Wars because its a show about religious pilgrimage and their journey to find a new land. Preferably one that fulfills the prophecy about throwing a ring into a volcano.
EDIT: I'm going to give one more example of the difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. The "red bursts" that the Angel creates. Unless they're moving at warp 9.9999 like subspace radio, they're going to take a VERY long time to show up on sensors. This reminds me of that first episode, where Sarek goes "there's a new star in the sky." He was talking about that giant light beacon that the Klingon Sarcophagus ship blasted out. Which, um, doesn't make sense if it was just light. Light is fast, but this is space! When you put spectacle over practicality, you become fantasy. Looking at you, Star Wars.
Star Trek is science fiction even when appearing to be fantasy. It approaches everything from a science-oriented mind set even though there things are pure fantasy like the Talosians, Q, Prophets, etc. Its soft sci-fi. Softer than my pillow. Softer than my cat. Its really high quality toilet paper soft.
The Expanse takes place at the same time as Star Trek but its Sci-fi is a little harder. It still has its fair share of weirdness that doesn't confirm to our present understanding of the laws of physics.
Star Wars, on the other hand, is a movie about wizards punching Nazis. This is important because sometimes we want to feel big (wizardly if you prefer) and punch Nazis in the face. Failure to punch Nazis in the face makes them uppity and do things like blow up planets. It doesn't try to be science fiction.
I'll put Battlestar Galactica in the same boat as Star Wars because its a show about religious pilgrimage and their journey to find a new land. Preferably one that fulfills the prophecy about throwing a ring into a volcano.
If you removed all that protomolecule stuff, The Expanse is literally the most perfect example I've ever seen of a realistic future.
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
Not sure how Burnham fits in.
Hooman raised as a Vulcan? Was my guess.
Excellent point, makes perfect sense! Although to gripe a little, this season's flashbacks REALLY don't make sense, do they?
They've got her coming into their home as a teenager, and then running away from Spock when he was basically the same size. But last season they had Sarek and Amanda at her graduation. This is what happens when you keep messing with the past!
You do realize that flashbcks can be from different time periods?
YOU do realize that children GROW, right? Even Vulcan ones. Great way to measure the passage of time, too. They deliberately chose to use the same child actor for Spock in both the "meeting Michael" and "Michael leaving" scenes. Not on me, bro. Could have picked a slightly older looking child actor to play Spock. Not on me.
yes I noticed this too. Burnham when leaving looked exactly the same to me as adult burnham (very different grown from her kid actor), but Spock looked exactly the same as he did when she first met him. He did not seem to age at all. That was just lazy!
EDIT: I'm going to give one more example of the difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. The "red bursts" that the Angel creates. Unless they're moving at warp 9.9999 like subspace radio, they're going to take a VERY long time to show up on sensors. This reminds me of that first episode, where Sarek goes "there's a new star in the sky." He was talking about that giant light beacon that the Klingon Sarcophagus ship blasted out. Which, um, doesn't make sense if it was just light. Light is fast, but this is space! When you put spectacle over practicality, you become fantasy. Looking at you, Star Wars.
Star Trek is science fiction even when appearing to be fantasy. It approaches everything from a science-oriented mind set even though there things are pure fantasy like the Talosians, Q, Prophets, etc. Its soft sci-fi. Softer than my pillow. Softer than my cat. Its really high quality toilet paper soft.
The Expanse takes place at the same time as Star Trek but its Sci-fi is a little harder. It still has its fair share of weirdness that doesn't confirm to our present understanding of the laws of physics.
Star Wars, on the other hand, is a movie about wizards punching Nazis. This is important because sometimes we want to feel big (wizardly if you prefer) and punch Nazis in the face. Failure to punch Nazis in the face makes them uppity and do things like blow up planets. It doesn't try to be science fiction.
I'll put Battlestar Galactica in the same boat as Star Wars because its a show about religious pilgrimage and their journey to find a new land. Preferably one that fulfills the prophecy about throwing a ring into a volcano.
While I agree that Star Trek does stretch into fantasy more than the Expanse, they used to have scientist advisors on staff to use actual science theory to try and make some plausible future tech that might actually happen. The explanations of the pseudo science were quite consistent, so a fan would recognize the technology and theories they referenced in most episodes.
If they still do have scientists on staff, they either lied about their credentials or the writers are almost entirely ignoring them. I love the example of the lights appearing all of a sudden being impossible with the speed of light, which was just about always a constant in Star Trek. There are many other examples though, they seem to constantly invent new science in every episode. Such as the BLATANT copy of Stranger Things, where the crew were crawling through a biological cocoon with flakes of stuff floating in the air with similar sound effects... Into the "upside down" (alternate dimension or whatever). Sound frequencies that cause Kelpian puberty (which change rules from taking a few days to a few minutes somehow), solid dark matter, an "alien vacuum" that somehow sucked out a creature from Tilly, extremely sophisticated long distance telepathic holograms, etc. Can we reuse ONE scientific theory from one episode into the next please??
And Tilly, please tie up your hair again. you look like an unprofessional mess, and don't belong in the leadership program looking like that.
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
Not sure how Burnham fits in.
Hooman raised as a Vulcan? Was my guess.
Excellent point, makes perfect sense! Although to gripe a little, this season's flashbacks REALLY don't make sense, do they?
They've got her coming into their home as a teenager, and then running away from Spock when he was basically the same size. But last season they had Sarek and Amanda at her graduation. This is what happens when you keep messing with the past!
You do realize that flashbcks can be from different time periods?
YOU do realize that children GROW, right? Even Vulcan ones. Great way to measure the passage of time, too. They deliberately chose to use the same child actor for Spock in both the "meeting Michael" and "Michael leaving" scenes. Not on me, bro. Could have picked a slightly older looking child actor to play Spock. Not on me.
yes I noticed this too. Burnham when leaving looked exactly the same to me as adult burnham (very different grown from her kid actor), but Spock looked exactly the same as he did when she first met him. He did not seem to age at all. That was just lazy!
Spock was 162 years old when he died. Sarek was 203, roughly three times the current life expectancy in First World countries. Vulcans age a lot slower.
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
Not sure how Burnham fits in.
Hooman raised as a Vulcan? Was my guess.
Excellent point, makes perfect sense! Although to gripe a little, this season's flashbacks REALLY don't make sense, do they?
They've got her coming into their home as a teenager, and then running away from Spock when he was basically the same size. But last season they had Sarek and Amanda at her graduation. This is what happens when you keep messing with the past!
You do realize that flashbcks can be from different time periods?
YOU do realize that children GROW, right? Even Vulcan ones. Great way to measure the passage of time, too. They deliberately chose to use the same child actor for Spock in both the "meeting Michael" and "Michael leaving" scenes. Not on me, bro. Could have picked a slightly older looking child actor to play Spock. Not on me.
yes I noticed this too. Burnham when leaving looked exactly the same to me as adult burnham (very different grown from her kid actor), but Spock looked exactly the same as he did when she first met him. He did not seem to age at all. That was just lazy!
Spock was 162 years old when he died. Sarek was 203, roughly three the current life expectancy in First World countries. Vilcans age a lot slower.
That may be true, but we really can't play that card, considering A) He's half human and He appears as a thirty-something in present day Discovery, and he's advanced enough in his Starfleet career to be senior staff to Pike.
EDIT: I'm going to give one more example of the difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. The "red bursts" that the Angel creates. Unless they're moving at warp 9.9999 like subspace radio, they're going to take a VERY long time to show up on sensors. This reminds me of that first episode, where Sarek goes "there's a new star in the sky." He was talking about that giant light beacon that the Klingon Sarcophagus ship blasted out. Which, um, doesn't make sense if it was just light. Light is fast, but this is space! When you put spectacle over practicality, you become fantasy. Looking at you, Star Wars.
Star Trek is science fiction even when appearing to be fantasy. It approaches everything from a science-oriented mind set even though there things are pure fantasy like the Talosians, Q, Prophets, etc. Its soft sci-fi. Softer than my pillow. Softer than my cat. Its really high quality toilet paper soft.
The Expanse takes place at the same time as Star Trek but its Sci-fi is a little harder. It still has its fair share of weirdness that doesn't confirm to our present understanding of the laws of physics.
Star Wars, on the other hand, is a movie about wizards punching Nazis. This is important because sometimes we want to feel big (wizardly if you prefer) and punch Nazis in the face. Failure to punch Nazis in the face makes them uppity and do things like blow up planets. It doesn't try to be science fiction.
I'll put Battlestar Galactica in the same boat as Star Wars because its a show about religious pilgrimage and their journey to find a new land. Preferably one that fulfills the prophecy about throwing a ring into a volcano.
While I agree that Star Trek does stretch into fantasy more than the Expanse, they used to have scientist advisors on staff to use actual science theory to try and make some plausible future tech that might actually happen. The explanations of the pseudo science were quite consistent, so a fan would recognize the technology and theories they referenced in most episodes.
Trek is about trying to be Science oriented. Consider a short hairy footed person throwing a ring into a volcano to defeat some evil warlord with vast, inexplicable power. In a Star Trek episode we would be characterizing the hairfoot and overlord's physiology, the composition of the ring, volcanology and appropriate countermeasures against the overlord's might. Add technobable to taste.
The Star Wars version of the same scene would be just to make it as dramatic as possible. Add secret parentage to taste.
You might find DSC to be relatively half-assed Sci-fi compared to previous Trek shows but we're not talking about success. It only matters that they try.
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I hope she is the next honor hall inductee. I just spent 200k honor immortalizing Chakotay. His rare skill set of SEC ENG MED was too tempting. I would hate to have done that and wished I saved it for the next honor hall crew. I won’t spend 250k on cheesecake seven so I won’t get honor spenders remorse if it’s her
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
I think calling it "Dual Identities" is a bit of a stretch. Tyler fits that the best, and I can see B'Elanna. Q was temporarily made human, so I guess that counts.
Not sure how Burnham fits in.
Hooman raised as a Vulcan? Was my guess.
Excellent point, makes perfect sense! Although to gripe a little, this season's flashbacks REALLY don't make sense, do they?
They've got her coming into their home as a teenager, and then running away from Spock when he was basically the same size. But last season they had Sarek and Amanda at her graduation. This is what happens when you keep messing with the past!
You do realize that flashbcks can be from different time periods?
YOU do realize that children GROW, right? Even Vulcan ones. Great way to measure the passage of time, too. They deliberately chose to use the same child actor for Spock in both the "meeting Michael" and "Michael leaving" scenes. Not on me, bro. Could have picked a slightly older looking child actor to play Spock. Not on me.
yes I noticed this too. Burnham when leaving looked exactly the same to me as adult burnham (very different grown from her kid actor), but Spock looked exactly the same as he did when she first met him. He did not seem to age at all. That was just lazy!
If only there were some explanation. Like that Vulcans live 300 years and age slower, or something.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I hope they do something special with her, rather than a pack or event.
As I suggested before, make the sevens and doctors drop from voyage dilemmas (the are from voyager). Make it a two part dilemma, and increase the odds of the second part appearing. That way all players get a chance to get her, and we get a reasonable chance to fully form her.
I think this is a great way for most people to eventually get this sought after character. Far better than making her/him/them a pack only fusion al la One Zero Zero One.
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I hope they do something special with her, rather than a pack or event.
As I suggested before, make the sevens and doctors drop from voyage dilemmas (the are from voyager). Make it a two part dilemma, and increase the odds of the second part appearing. That way all players get a chance to get her, and we get a reasonable chance to fully form her.
I think this is a great way for most people to eventually get this sought after character. Far better than making her/him/them a pack only fusion al la One Zero Zero One.
That is a really intriguing idea that I think I like. It would be a long, slow slog, but if the stats were good, I'd be up for it.
I hope they do something special with her, rather than a pack or event.
As I suggested before, make the sevens and doctors drop from voyage dilemmas (the are from voyager). Make it a two part dilemma, and increase the odds of the second part appearing. That way all players get a chance to get her, and we get a reasonable chance to fully form her.
I think this is a great way for most people to eventually get this sought after character. Far better than making her/him/them a pack only fusion al la One Zero Zero One.
That is a really intriguing idea that I think I like. It would be a long, slow slog, but if the stats were good, I'd be up for it.
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Actually I said that about the fantasy, and got chewed out BIG TIME! But YES! I agree. I didn't mean Star Trek was super realistic, I meant that it TRIED to be, to the best of their ability. Now they're just space whaling, dark mattering it up like it's going out of style!
Meanwhile how do you feel about the darkly lit interiors coupled with lensflare from what looks like a star SUPER CLOSE to the ship at all times? Ha. Also, that turbolift in transport sequence they keep showing?
EDIT: I'm going to give one more example of the difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. The "red bursts" that the Angel creates. Unless they're moving at warp 9.9999 like subspace radio, they're going to take a VERY long time to show up on sensors. This reminds me of that first episode, where Sarek goes "there's a new star in the sky." He was talking about that giant light beacon that the Klingon Sarcophagus ship blasted out. Which, um, doesn't make sense if it was just light. Light is fast, but this is space! When you put spectacle over practicality, you become fantasy. Looking at you, Star Wars.
They definitely have their go-to’s. I defend your fantasy point of view. Science Fiction itself is a bit of a stretch at times but a u universal network of mushrooms? A giant dust mite that can travel at warp? Whatever that world Tilly and Culber were in? However Culber materialized? Voq inside Ash? That stuff is too out there for me to get on board with
Oh that's another one I still can't figure out! WAS there a Lt. Tyler? I mean I assume he existed, Starfleet had records of him. But they showed Voq enduring massive amounts of surgery to change his appearance. So um, what? Did Voq change his body to look like Tyler? Or did he copy his mind into Tylers? Does Tyler remember his entire life as Tyler? Seriously, what's the deal there?
At first I thought Tyler never existed until they did the Voq thing then they planted him on the Klingon ship that Lorca was prisoner on, who wasn’t really even Lorca and.....oh no, I’ve gone cross-eyed. I stopped wondering at a certain point and stopped caring. What I do know is the Tyler dude is a terrible actor
That's another funny one. Writers room: "Hey guys, let's make up that everyone from the Mirror Universe has sensitive eyes because they're not used to so much light!"
(invent yet another ridiculous retcon for no reason other than it sounds cool)
As I suggested before, make the sevens and doctors drop from voyage dilemmas (the are from voyager). Make it a two part dilemma, and increase the odds of the second part appearing. That way all players get a chance to get her, and we get a reasonable chance to fully form her.
https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/10714/new-voyage-4-dilemma-for-doctor-seven#latest
And Lorca definitely would NOT have told anyone about that since he was a villan hiding, disguised, whatever you want to call it.
Thanx, y'all. Didn't think to scan Chakotay wiki pages!!!
You do realize that flashbcks can be from different time periods?
YOU do realize that children GROW, right? Even Vulcan ones. Great way to measure the passage of time, too. They deliberately chose to use the same child actor for Spock in both the "meeting Michael" and "Michael leaving" scenes. Not on me, bro. Could have picked a slightly older looking child actor to play Spock. Not on me.
That Turbolift thing is very distracting, and also very silly.
I believe they said right out in dialog that the "light" from the Beacon of Kahless did also send a signal through subspace. I guess the subspace signal was keyed to translate into light to the people it interacted with? So, it would be the "Light" of Kahless? Or some kind of Treknobabble?
Star Trek is science fiction even when appearing to be fantasy. It approaches everything from a science-oriented mind set even though there are things that are pure fantasy like the Talosians, Q, Prophets, etc. Its soft sci-fi. Softer than my pillow. Softer than my cat. Its really high quality toilet paper soft.
The Expanse takes place at the same time as Star Trek but its Sci-fi is a little harder. It still has its fair share of weirdness that doesn't confirm to our present understanding of the laws of physics.
Star Wars, on the other hand, is a movie about wizards punching Nazis. This is important because sometimes we want to feel big (wizardly if you prefer) and punch Nazis in the face. Failure to punch Nazis in the face makes them uppity and do things like blow up planets. It doesn't try to be science fiction.
I'll put Battlestar Galactica in the same boat as Star Wars because its a show about religious pilgrimage and their journey to find a new land. Preferably one that fulfills the prophecy about throwing a ring into a volcano.
If you removed all that protomolecule stuff, The Expanse is literally the most perfect example I've ever seen of a realistic future.
yes I noticed this too. Burnham when leaving looked exactly the same to me as adult burnham (very different grown from her kid actor), but Spock looked exactly the same as he did when she first met him. He did not seem to age at all. That was just lazy!
While I agree that Star Trek does stretch into fantasy more than the Expanse, they used to have scientist advisors on staff to use actual science theory to try and make some plausible future tech that might actually happen. The explanations of the pseudo science were quite consistent, so a fan would recognize the technology and theories they referenced in most episodes.
If they still do have scientists on staff, they either lied about their credentials or the writers are almost entirely ignoring them. I love the example of the lights appearing all of a sudden being impossible with the speed of light, which was just about always a constant in Star Trek. There are many other examples though, they seem to constantly invent new science in every episode. Such as the BLATANT copy of Stranger Things, where the crew were crawling through a biological cocoon with flakes of stuff floating in the air with similar sound effects... Into the "upside down" (alternate dimension or whatever). Sound frequencies that cause Kelpian puberty (which change rules from taking a few days to a few minutes somehow), solid dark matter, an "alien vacuum" that somehow sucked out a creature from Tilly, extremely sophisticated long distance telepathic holograms, etc. Can we reuse ONE scientific theory from one episode into the next please??
And Tilly, please tie up your hair again. you look like an unprofessional mess, and don't belong in the leadership program looking like that.
Spock was 162 years old when he died. Sarek was 203, roughly three times the current life expectancy in First World countries. Vulcans age a lot slower.
That may be true, but we really can't play that card, considering A) He's half human and
The Star Wars version of the same scene would be just to make it as dramatic as possible. Add secret parentage to taste.
You might find DSC to be relatively half-assed Sci-fi compared to previous Trek shows but we're not talking about success. It only matters that they try.
If only there were some explanation. Like that Vulcans live 300 years and age slower, or something.
I think this is a great way for most people to eventually get this sought after character. Far better than making her/him/them a pack only fusion al la One Zero Zero One.
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That is a really intriguing idea that I think I like. It would be a long, slow slog, but if the stats were good, I'd be up for it.
This may be DBs plan. But no increase in chance.