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-- DISCLAIMER - This isn't me bitching and complaining, but informing the community (as much as I feel safe doing) so everyone has equal knowledge --
Many of you probably don't know about this, but for almost a year there has been an exploit used by the very top end fleets/squads to rig the events. If I explain the exploit, my post might get deleted and mods might take action against me, I don't know. So I'm sorry I can't explain it to you. <snip> ˜Shan But this isn't about me or my fleet, so I'm not going in to that or calling anyone out, only that we had 6 people in top 50 and the other 4 in the top 100 to show that I'm not making things up. Those of you tracking the top 100 know what I'm talking about. You can't get 1st place or even top 10 without placing at least 4 members in top 100. I have plenty of screen caps as proof.
Months ago we ranted and raged about this and did what needed to be done to make a point. We moved on and are competing as the game was designed. DB didn't care about the exploit then, and through inaction it seems they don't care now either. IF you want to compete as a top squad, this is your only option. We will not be doing this, we would rather lose than win this way. But if you REALLY want to win, you need to know this is your only option in the current competitive environment of STT. Good luck folks.
Many of you probably don't know about this, but for almost a year there has been an exploit used by the very top end fleets/squads to rig the events. If I explain the exploit, my post might get deleted and mods might take action against me, I don't know. So I'm sorry I can't explain it to you. <snip> ˜Shan But this isn't about me or my fleet, so I'm not going in to that or calling anyone out, only that we had 6 people in top 50 and the other 4 in the top 100 to show that I'm not making things up. Those of you tracking the top 100 know what I'm talking about. You can't get 1st place or even top 10 without placing at least 4 members in top 100. I have plenty of screen caps as proof.
Months ago we ranted and raged about this and did what needed to be done to make a point. We moved on and are competing as the game was designed. DB didn't care about the exploit then, and through inaction it seems they don't care now either. IF you want to compete as a top squad, this is your only option. We will not be doing this, we would rather lose than win this way. But if you REALLY want to win, you need to know this is your only option in the current competitive environment of STT. Good luck folks.
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So basically you don't care if folks cheat as long as it doesn't affect you directly? Wow. You belong on the Discovery.
I was also watching the leaderboards, like you, and there WERE indeed about the same number of players of both fleets in the top 50. In fact, my example above was clear in the squad of the player who finished in #2, he amassed 99% of the squad points for his squadron.
not really i know coding and i also know that there are people out there who will do whatever it takes to win does it make it acceptable? no but can i do anything bout it? no hence why i give no cares
Sounds a little different from your earlier statement.
EDIT - top squads are welcome to come on here and post their 5 squad member totals to "disprove me"
again not really why should i care when this all could be handled different ways other than a rather vague post that i have no clue what they are on about add to it seems limited to the top area and not a general population problem it just makes no sense to get worked up over something that affects so few people.
We voted at lunchtime. No one was even hiding their ballot stuffing. It was laughable just how corrupt the whole thing was. My teacher pulled me aside later and told me that even with all that, I still came in second and he was certain that if the votes had been collected properly, I would have won.
Twenty years later, I still have the satisfaction of knowing I ran an honest campaign and didn't steal anyone's ballot and had earned the win from a student body that had never been kind to me. I don't even remember who "won", but I can't imagine it means anything to them to know their pals collaborated with them to rig a win in a mock election.
And that's all I have to say about how dim a view I take of people so pathetic they go to ridiculous lengths to be "#1" in something that doesn't even mean anything or matter.
You are the one of the players i'm trying to speak to. If your reaction is disillusionment, then there is a problem. You should care that no matter how hard you try you can never win. Just b/c the NFL lets the Patriots cheat and win doesn't mean you (the Cleveland Browns) shouldn't keep trying.
then what would your solutions be to this problem? ya can't really ban em cause they will return under a different guise, we don't know how complex the exploit is if there even is one for if there is one and it is a super complex one it could take a long time for it to untangle years even that's how complex coding can be. but back to the question at hand what would you do in this instance apart from a vague post?
This could also explain why their squad leader was significantly higher.
Wow.
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If the exploit was super complex, I would agree with you. Sadly, it's not and a simple rule such as, you can't join more than one fleet per event (or making fleets static save leader changes) would go a long way to addressing the issue.
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There's an easy or at least obvious fix, which has already been suggested once in this thread, do the same as for Starbases, add a 24 hrs cooldown after joining a squad before your points start adding towards your new squad total and squad leader's points. The fact that DB did implement this for Starbases in the first place suggests to me they are well aware of this exploit.
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Unlike doing this in galaxy events, in faction this impacts individual rewards because of the shared crew points for squad leader.
Also, I assume you guys are implying that the fleet in question got people to jump into the squadron at the end of their shuttles every 3 hours, turn in their shuttles, start new shuttles, and jump out. Which begs the question, why doesn't OP's fleet, or any other fleet do the same thing? I would imagine a fleet as well known as theirs has the tactical nous to organize their members to do this, and I would like to see them prove that it can be done. Otherwise, this entire post just looks like a bunch of people whining about a strategy that they either do not understand, or are not willing to implement.
As DB keeps deleting the threads where this is discussed in detail, I take that as tacit acknowledgement that they consider this an exploit. And though I cannot speak to this instance it has been validated several times that this is very possible and has been done.
If the exploit works in shuttle events, this is actually not true anymore. If >4 people can use the shared crew, then, in addition to the squad points the people going in-and-out provide, the leader will ALSO be receiving individual points as well for those shuttle successes using the shared crew.
This exploit [ call it what it is ] in no way supports a true competitive structure between squads. It's an exploit that DB has ignored for the simple fact that the players involved organizing these efforts are some of the largest spenders in the game. That's it. That simple.
Though to be fair, some of the harshest (albeit polite) critics are also some of the largest spenders in the game.