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Changeling Thrax

Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2019 in The Bridge
With today's addition of the Changeling trait to Thrax, will we discover he is indeed Odo by the end of the mega event?! Fun little mystery. I like this twist.
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    That, or this version of Thrax was always a Changeling in disguise as yet another agent of the Dominion sent to gather information and cause chaos. I would find this more believable than a figment of Odo’s mind becoming real due to the Timelines Crisis and going back in time to kidnap people and hold them for a few decades, while fully giving allegiance to the Founders and their twisted version of morality.
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    That, or this version of Thrax was always a Changeling in disguise as yet another agent of the Dominion sent to gather information and cause chaos. I would find this more believable than a figment of Odo’s mind becoming real due to the Timelines Crisis and going back in time to kidnap people and hold them for a few decades, while fully giving allegiance to the Founders and their twisted version of morality.

    An Odo that never experienced liberation from the Cardassians could be a very different Odo. Imagine if he'd encountered the Founders during the Cardassian occupation of Bajor. That's who this guy could be.
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  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would find this more believable than a figment of Odo’s mind becoming real due to the Timelines Crisis . . . .

    You mean like Admiral Picard, who was drawn from Riker's imagination? Or like Benny Russell and his compatriots at Incredible Tales?

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  • It definitely opens up a lot of possibilities. I like it.
  • That, or this version of Thrax was always a Changeling in disguise as yet another agent of the Dominion sent to gather information and cause chaos. I would find this more believable than a figment of Odo’s mind becoming real due to the Timelines Crisis and going back in time to kidnap people and hold them for a few decades, while fully giving allegiance to the Founders and their twisted version of morality.

    An Odo that never experienced liberation from the Cardassians could be a very different Odo. Imagine if he'd encountered the Founders during the Cardassian occupation of Bajor. That's who this guy could be.

    Would be an interesting character study but DS9 has always implied that this would mean the wormhole was never discovered. On the other hand, Timelines, who knows what would happen eventually, yada yada yada.
    Member of Rise of the Phoenix.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would find this more believable than a figment of Odo’s mind becoming real due to the Timelines Crisis . . . .

    You mean like Admiral Picard, who was drawn from Riker's imagination? Or like Benny Russell and his compatriots at Incredible Tales?

    Thanks to the Prophets’/Pah-Wraith’s various abilities, I’m not as certain that the Incredible Tales crew weren’t necessarily from an alternate universe rather than just a figment of Sisko’s imagination.

    You’ve got me on Admiral Picard, though. :)
  • All I know is that this really helps with some of the Changeling locked nodes that I've had a hard time unlocking.
  • S31S31 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That makes him super useful as Odo is the main cast. And I was the loudest person here about Thrax being Odo lol
  • S31 wrote: »
    That makes him super useful as Odo is the main cast. And I was the loudest person here about Thrax being Odo lol

    We still don't know if he will be an Odo variant. This certainly can be a step toward that, but until it is confirmed it is only speculation.
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    Then those who didn't cite him (or worse, tossed him out the airlock) will be regretful.
  • Then those who didn't cite him (or worse, tossed him out the airlock) will be regretful.

    I'm one of those that has not cited, and I wouldn't say I'm regretful. There is nothing wrong with a very good 4/5 crew. I plan on playing a bit of pack roulette at the end of the mega with those discounted packs to see if I can snag his last copy. In the meantime, I got to put my saved Honor toward a card I know I will definitely use regularly and was always going to cite no matter what, Mirror Stamets.
  • YateballYateball ✭✭✭✭✭
    Then those who didn't cite him (or worse, tossed him out the airlock) will be regretful.

    I'm one of those that has not cited, and I wouldn't say I'm regretful. There is nothing wrong with a very good 4/5 crew. I plan on playing a bit of pack roulette at the end of the mega with those discounted packs to see if I can snag his last copy. In the meantime, I got to put my saved Honor toward a card I know I will definitely use regularly and was always going to cite no matter what, Mirror Stamets.

    I assume you guys are both talking about doubling him up, which is different from citing
    Citing can obviously still be done and there wouldn't be any fallout of not citing him originally
  • I went back and read the Memory Alpha wiki for "Things Past." Thrax is revealed as a Changling in Act 4 so he should have had the Changling trait all along. Since Thrax is "standing in" as it were for Odo as the security chief who wrongly executes the prisoners, the "should he be an Odo variant" debate can continue, but adding the trait only fixes a trait bug and doesn't reveal any intentions one way or the other, IMO.
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    I went back and read the Memory Alpha wiki for "Things Past." Thrax is revealed as a Changling in Act 4 so he should have had the Changling trait all along. Since Thrax is "standing in" as it were for Odo as the security chief who wrongly executes the prisoners, the "should he be an Odo variant" debate can continue, but adding the trait only fixes a trait bug and doesn't reveal any intentions one way or the other, IMO.
    I think DB did it right. As in the episode we only learned later that Thrax was a changeling so did DB reveal it later.
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  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    Y'all do realize that in that flashback vision thing "Thrax" was not a Changeling, right? Odo's mind was editing his memory of the incident, because of his guilt. Thrax was not even Chief of Security any longer when the incident took place.....

    This Mega Event is not the episode in question. Technically, a Changeling Thrax is actually a Timelines Original.........

    Well said. Now I'm wondering if Thrax was supposed to be added to the Original collection, rather than Bashir.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    robownage wrote: »
    Y'all do realize that in that flashback vision thing "Thrax" was not a Changeling, right? Odo's mind was editing his memory of the incident, because of his guilt. Thrax was not even Chief of Security any longer when the incident took place.....

    This Mega Event is not the episode in question. Technically, a Changeling Thrax is actually a Timelines Original.........

    Well said. Now I'm wondering if Thrax was supposed to be added to the Original collection, rather than Bashir.

    That might be what happened. It makes more sense. Since Bashir even has the shankbar.......
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • I hate to be "that guy", but can we please stop with the Cheesecake Seven?

    I thought the exact same thing.
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  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hate to be "that guy", but can we please stop with the Cheesecake Seven?

    I thought the exact same thing.

    We'll stop when they follow through!!!!!


    Also #BloodOathJadziaKlingonTrait
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2019
    Forums are communication with the players to DB. We are hungry, hungry for cheesecake seven. I am hoping she will be in this mega as she was a prisoner. Besides forum can get boring if we don't have fun little things to call out for.
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  • robownage wrote: »
    Y'all do realize that in that flashback vision thing "Thrax" was not a Changeling, right? Odo's mind was editing his memory of the incident, because of his guilt. Thrax was not even Chief of Security any longer when the incident took place.....

    This Mega Event is not the episode in question. Technically, a Changeling Thrax is actually a Timelines Original.........

    Well said. Now I'm wondering if Thrax was supposed to be added to the Original collection, rather than Bashir.

    As "Thrax" did change shape during the episode, giving him the Changling trait is appropriate, if we are looking at the card being the "Thrax" from the episode and not the Thrax who served before Odo as Chief of Security. If the card is intended to be the flesh-and-blood version of Thrax, then the Changling trait is wrong.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2019
    robownage wrote: »
    Y'all do realize that in that flashback vision thing "Thrax" was not a Changeling, right? Odo's mind was editing his memory of the incident, because of his guilt. Thrax was not even Chief of Security any longer when the incident took place.....

    This Mega Event is not the episode in question. Technically, a Changeling Thrax is actually a Timelines Original.........

    Well said. Now I'm wondering if Thrax was supposed to be added to the Original collection, rather than Bashir.

    As "Thrax" did change shape during the episode, giving him the Changling trait is appropriate, if we are looking at the card being the "Thrax" from the episode and not the Thrax who served before Odo as Chief of Security. If the card is intended to be the flesh-and-blood version of Thrax, then the Changling trait is wrong.

    Okay. The Thrax in the Mega Event got the Changeling Trait after the first Event was over, because he was revealed to be a Changeling taking the place of the real Thrax.

    In the DS9 episode, Thrax was never really there. Odo's subconscious was manifesting the Chief of Security on Terok Nor as Odo's predecessor, because Odo was suppressing the memory of his involvement in the arrest and execution. Thrax was never a Changeling in the episode, because Thrax was never there when the events happened. "Thrax" could "shapeshift", because "Thrax" was really Odo........
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • You just made my point by disagreeing with me. Since Thrax is really Odo, just with the suppressed memory overlay of the former Cardassian Security Chief, Thrax has to be a Changling because Odo himself is a Changling. Odo = Changling, and Thrax = Odo, therefore Trax = Changling.
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Thrax is a changeling maybe he could change into someone with Science skill.
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  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2019
    You just made my point by disagreeing with me. Since Thrax is really Odo, just with the suppressed memory overlay of the former Cardassian Security Chief, Thrax has to be a Changling because Odo himself is a Changling. Odo = Changling, and Thrax = Odo, therefore Trax = Changling.

    Except that that Thrax was never Thrax. It was an illusion in an "edited" memory. In no way has anything in the Event dialog said that the Thrax holding prisoners was Odo pretending to be Thrax. It said he turned out to be "a Changeling". Are you saying they all look alike? Because that is a little Specist......
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • You are correct. As I don't spend much time reading all of the dialog, I don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion.

    In this case, I hope Thrax is only added to the "Timelines Originals" collection if he is drawn dramatically different from any images of him from the show. It should be readily apparent to the players at any time that a particular card is an "original." Preferably in both title and art, but at the very least in the art.
  • Bluebeard1Bluebeard1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What if at the end he changes into Cheesecake Seven!?!
    Forget cheesecake Seven, when do I get my gigolo, substance abusing, 9 foot tall, augment, Borg, sausage, Bacardi and Coke Admiral Data (timelines original)?
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