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Why is this not a Klingon ship?

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  • (CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••](CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••] ✭✭✭✭✭
    ByloBand wrote: »
    Since the original question has been answered satisfactorily, I'm hijacking this thread to ask a very related philosophical question (no disrespect intended @Looseye)

    (I just wrote up a couple paragraphs but deleted them in anticipation of legitimate objections. I will try again)

    Actually, no need to use hypothetical, let's just stick with the issue here directly: I get why this ship is considered part of the Federation fleet, but how is it not still Klingon? It was designed by Klingons, built by Klingons, and still looks identical to every other Klingon ship.

    Like if you take a chunk of granite and spray paint it and use it for a doorstop, it is now ALSO a doorstop, but it is still granite.

    Exactly my point that I tried to state above, as the meme goes
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  • Bylo BandBylo Band ✭✭✭✭✭
    (CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••] wrote: »
    ByloBand wrote: »
    Since the original question has been answered satisfactorily, I'm hijacking this thread to ask a very related philosophical question (no disrespect intended @Looseye)

    (I just wrote up a couple paragraphs but deleted them in anticipation of legitimate objections. I will try again)

    Actually, no need to use hypothetical, let's just stick with the issue here directly: I get why this ship is considered part of the Federation fleet, but how is it not still Klingon? It was designed by Klingons, built by Klingons, and still looks identical to every other Klingon ship.

    Like if you take a chunk of granite and spray paint it and use it for a doorstop, it is now ALSO a doorstop, but it is still granite.

    Exactly my point that I tried to state above, as the meme goes
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    In my defense, I think we were both typing at the same time, and your reply posted first. I had not seen it when I wrote mine *shrug*
  • (CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••](CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••] ✭✭✭✭✭
    ByloBand wrote: »
    (CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••] wrote: »
    ByloBand wrote: »
    Since the original question has been answered satisfactorily, I'm hijacking this thread to ask a very related philosophical question (no disrespect intended @Looseye)

    (I just wrote up a couple paragraphs but deleted them in anticipation of legitimate objections. I will try again)

    Actually, no need to use hypothetical, let's just stick with the issue here directly: I get why this ship is considered part of the Federation fleet, but how is it not still Klingon? It was designed by Klingons, built by Klingons, and still looks identical to every other Klingon ship.

    Like if you take a chunk of granite and spray paint it and use it for a doorstop, it is now ALSO a doorstop, but it is still granite.

    Exactly my point that I tried to state above, as the meme goes
    f9qn7bo61jtx.gif

    In my defense, I think we were both typing at the same time, and your reply posted first. I had not seen it when I wrote mine *shrug*

    Great minds......
  • EnderWEnderW ✭✭✭✭✭
    For Star Trek VI, there was supposedly a storyboard scene that showed the Bounty being disassembled in Spacedock by Starfleet Intelligence. It obviously got cut and didn’t make it into the movie. While not canon, it’s good enough reason for me to accept that the ship is only Federation in the game.
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  • (CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••](CSF) Jesus Is Lord [••••] ✭✭✭✭✭
    EnderW wrote: »
    For Star Trek VI, there was supposedly a storyboard scene that showed the Bounty being disassembled in Spacedock by Starfleet Intelligence. It obviously got cut and didn’t make it into the movie. While not canon, it’s good enough reason for me to accept that the ship is only Federation in the game.
    This makes me think of the ship as even more of a Klingon ship...if it is a federation ship, why would Starfleet intelligence wanna disassemble it. Cause it is a Klingon ship, not a federation one.
  • Ishmael MarxIshmael Marx ✭✭✭✭✭
    Captain Sushi wrote: »
    During most events, at the top of the scoreboard. ;)

    Well played.

    But in all seriousness, yeah, let's get George and Gracie into the game. Perhaps as 3* cards, with a 4* fuse in the Bounty's cargo hold. Yeah, they were "legendary" in the 23rd century, but in the 20th, they were only endangered (i.e., rare).
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looseye wrote: »
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    Why is this not a Klingon ship?

    I asked myself the same thing, then realized it most be a "technicality". Since it was stolen, it stopped being a Klingon design......
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    DScottHewitt wrote: »
    Looseye wrote: »
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    Why is this not a Klingon ship?

    I asked myself the same thing, then realized it most be a "technicality". Since it was stolen, it stopped being a Klingon design......

    Well...it’s still a Klingon design but is no longer politically affiliated with the Empire. It all comes back to the artificial restriction of how many traits are applied to each ship: three or four for 5* ships, three for 4* ships, two or three for 3* ships, and two for 1* and 2* ships. I’m sure this is a game balance issue, but ideally I’d like to see a little mor standardization (as with crew traits):

    -manufacturer
    -political affiliation (if different from manufacturer)
    -role (fighter/scout/long-range explorer/warship)
    -specialty (cloaking device, historic, etc.)

    Technically, under these rules, the Kumari wouldn’t have Federation because it was depicted on screen in the pre-Federation time period (although I can absolutely imagine it was still in service after 2161), the Reliant would have Federation as well as Augments, Discovery would need a new Science Vessel trait, and so on.
  • [7TW] UnkieB[7TW] UnkieB ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dirk Gunderson wrote: »
    Technically, under these rules, the Kumari wouldn’t have Federation because it was depicted on screen in the pre-Federation time period (although I can absolutely imagine it was still in service after 2161

    Except it was destroyed in 2154. ;)
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    [7TW] UnkieB wrote: »
    Dirk Gunderson wrote: »
    Technically, under these rules, the Kumari wouldn’t have Federation because it was depicted on screen in the pre-Federation time period (although I can absolutely imagine it was still in service after 2161

    Except it was destroyed in 2154. ;)

    Oops. It’s been a while since my last re-watch of Enterprise. In that case, Federation is 100% a wrong trait to apply to the ship...unless, of course, the assertion is that it’s the Kumari-A from somewhere between 2154 and 2161. ;)
  • MirrorVerse JcMirrorVerse Jc ✭✭✭
    (HGH)Apollo wrote: »
    Speaking of HMS Bounty and The Voyage Home brings two questions to mind. First, when are we getting the space probe?

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    And second question:

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    And third question: where is the sound bite quote “cpt,,.. there be whales here” i think was the line. Or something Very similar.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    [7TW] UnkieB wrote: »
    Dirk Gunderson wrote: »
    Technically, under these rules, the Kumari wouldn’t have Federation because it was depicted on screen in the pre-Federation time period (although I can absolutely imagine it was still in service after 2161

    Except it was destroyed in 2154. ;)

    A victim of the Aenar piloted Drone, IIRC
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  • LooseyeLooseye ✭✭
    So, just to be clear, this ship was built by Klingons, using Klingon parts and technology. It was stolen, and commanded by a Federation crew, and given a Federation name. This does NOT change the fact that it is still a Klingon ship. I believe a fair analogy would be to say, if someone was to steal a Volkswagen, take spray paint, and write "Ferrari" on the side of it, it's still a Volkswagen. Allow me to use another analogy for those that say it became part of the Federation fleet; Just because a mouse is in the cookie jar, doesn't make it a cookie.
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    [7TW] UnkieB wrote: »
    MirrorVerse Jc wrote: »
    And third question: where is the sound bite quote “cpt,,.. there be whales here” i think was the line. Or something Very similar.

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  • [7TW] UnkieB[7TW] UnkieB ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looseye wrote: »
    So, just to be clear, this ship was built by Klingons, using Klingon parts and technology. It was stolen, and commanded by a Federation crew, and given a Federation name. This does NOT change the fact that it is still a Klingon ship. I believe a fair analogy would be to say, if someone was to steal a Volkswagen, take spray paint, and write "Ferrari" on the side of it, it's still a Volkswagen. Allow me to use another analogy for those that say it became part of the Federation fleet; Just because a mouse is in the cookie jar, doesn't make it a cookie.

    So was the Swiftsure, British built and a British ship at the Battle of the Nile, a British ship at Trafalgar despite being a part of the French fleet (since it had been captured by the French in 1801)? It was always a British built ship, but it wasn't always a British flagged ship.
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