I fail to see how attacking not only the entire STT community but one player in particular is funny.
I was going to keep my mouth shout about this thread and let you guys have your day in the sun since you apparently need the ego stroking but Bylo absolutely makes a valid point.
Furthermore, every year these type of threads pop up and they are always created by the "winning" Fleet for that year.
There is a complete lack of transparency in regards to the ranking system when a member of the apparently #1 Fleet is the one who creates it and comes up with the specific point system that places their Fleet in the number one spot.
Coincidentally, your Fleet finished 1st in the last Event (Dead to Rights). I wonder how much of a role that played in the final ranks. Especially when your Fleet was the only one to know what the ranks were up until this point.
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The spoilered comment was a jokey aside to an (imo) unnecessary comment directed at the thread's author. Going to the effort of compiling a year's worth of results and sharing them with the community didn't need to be criticised, and the vast majority of people took it in the way it was intended. The spoilered comment was intended to be an extreme example of what Sparrow's initial post absolutely was NOT, in the obviously vain hope that people would see the contrast and give the OP a break. Believe it or not I do not actually talk/type like a testosterone-ravaged 13 year old most of the time.
I'm sorry that you failed to understand this, but your assertion that finishing first in the last event of the year would have had any effect on the final average rankings that [STFL] Kolrath very kindly worked out for everyone suggests that you may struggle with understanding a great many things. Your assertion that our fleet knew anything about these ranks prior to the final event is completely false as it's not something that had been discussed, and this thread was made by an individual member entirely off their own back. But thanks for stating your incorrect theories as difinitive fact. Not many of us actually post here. I just stumbled upon it and saw a fleetmate being criticised and thought it was a tad unnecessary so tried to deflect in a humorous manner. The in-game PMs I've received from complete unknowns suggests this was at least a partial success. Your accusation that our entire fleet need our egos stroking because of a single member's annual ranking summary post seems strangely similar to what you were accusing me of doing to the whole community in my joke post, so thanks for being a massive hypocrite.
"Confidence is slient. Insecurities are loud."
Next time you try to end a self-righteous rant with some triumphant, cutting quote, at least make the effort to avoid typos.
If this means so much to you please feel free to work out your own metric for ranking fleets that puts yours in the top spot and I'll be the first to come and congratulate you.
There is a complete lack of transparency in regards to the ranking system when a member of the apparently #1 Fleet is the one who creates it and comes up with the specific point system that places their Fleet in the number one spot.
Speaking to this point only, the system is in fact highly transparent — or, at least, the system I assumed they used for this ranking is. The fleet leaderboard for each event has been publicly posted for many months. And if there were any discrepancies with any fleet's standings in any event, they could see how they differed from their own internal rankings (available to every fleet member in their personal fleet window). It is also hosted on Izausome's site, and he is a member of SSR, not Battleship Yamato. Certainly anyone is welcome to crunch the numbers and come up with their own ranking. It is for this reason that I completely accepted the claim, because it would be too easy for someone else to refute.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
If this Ursine person is a representation of what the #1 fleet is like, then I would rather be #2 any day. RUDE.
I understand their jokey response wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but it also unfortunately served to undo a lot of the goodwill that was offered in their fleet's direction by some of us. And it was also just crass, even in jest.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I think the only issue anyone had with the rankings is that its a little unsportsmanlike and self-promoting to start a thread congratulating yourself. I imagine that it would not be looked upon favorably if I decided to start a thread congratulating myself for some achievement in 2019. The normal place to self promote like this is the fleet central page on your fleet's recruiting page. You'll notice the original posting here was made there a day before this thread started.
That being said, I think most folks who thought that just moved on and didn't bother responding because it wasn't worth it. The spoilered comments clearly went over the line and violate the forum community guidelines. They will be snipped as soon as Shan reads them and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a ban of some sort for whomever posted them.
Does anyone else want to share their fleet wins for the year? Anyone think they can refute our claim that we're the #1 fleet of 2019? We don’t think so
I am a big enough man to admit when I am wrong and, in my haste, failed to notice that it was [STFL] Kolrath that posted the ranks. For that I apologize.
However,
"Going to the effort of compiling a year's worth of results and sharing them with the community"
does not give you the right to personally attack people and mascaraed it as a "jokey".
You have the right to feel however you want about Bylo's comments, just as Bylo had the right to comment on your colleague's post any way he wanted. Last time I checked we live in a society where people can have a difference of opinions.
Putting a lot of effort into something does not automatically shield that person from criticism, especially when they post on a public forum.
If you were expecting everyone to pat you guys on the back and shower you with praise then my ego comment was not that much of a stretch now was it?
On the one hand I agree with @ByloBand that this can be seen as bragging and not called for.
On the other hand, @÷ Sparrow did paste a list of the tops fleets which seems like an unofficial leaderboard which could thereby be seen as not bragging for his own fleet but for others to see how well they did with in competing with others... But I agree that the title didn't convey a message of "fleet leaderboard for 2019" but rather "we are number one and here is the list to prove it!" The original post did not to me imo. So I think a re wording for the title as above would go a long way to not having this thread labeled as ego stroking...plus getting this usine guy to be quiet... Seriously @÷ Sparrow I've seen u post from time to time and you are a nice guy and I don't believe you meant to be a gloryhog or prideful in posting this good info... But having someone say stuff like that about a fellow player, one I and I believe many others consider one of the best contributors to the forums... It tarnishs your fleet and also fuels the "this is ego stroking!" claims, because really, only unintelligent people resort to name-calling when presented with a valid, opposite opinion...
Edit: just noticed the leaderboard for fleets wasn't even posted by a Yamato fleet player...oops on my part
Much to what @Paladin 27 said, I wonder how well received a post would be if someone said “I was the greatest player of 2019”. Prolly wouldn’t be appreciated. Especially if that person decides the criteria for declaring themselves the best. Do you go by wins? Amount of top 5 finishes? Amount of top ten finishes? Average rank for the year? Either way, only the immortal baseball god Rickey Henderson can pull off saying “I am the greatest!”
-To start off with it is very clear that DB have not implemented any ranking system of fleets over calendar years so the title is completely subjective and I would imagine many fleets can claim to be the best based on particular criteria.
-The list of achievements for Battleship Yamato is impressive, so congratulations! Very well done! However, that's all that was provided. There's been no attempt to clearly define or agree suitable criteria for "the best fleet of 2019" prior to 2019 or indeed before the list of achievements were posted.
-I don't believe you can define the best fleet in timelines by using statistics of achievements. It's quite ridiculous. In the title only the main achievement should be claimed.
-It does seem rather boastful to post your fleets achievements in the bridge section of this forum. It was mentioned by ursine cotcher that this was just compiling a year's worth of data and posting it, a behaviour that should not be criticised. In my experience fleets only post such data (usually in their recruitment page, I haven't looked at Battleship Yamato's yet to see if these claims are also there) when they are claiming their own fleet are the best and are looking for recruits. I am yet to see anyone do this and any other fleet is number 1.
-The behaviour of ursine cotcher was appalling. Resorting to making personal attacks on players because you can't refute their arguments logically is disgusting and demonstrated clearly what this thread is about. Then claiming s/he was only joking.... Also loved the quote 'thanks for stating your incorrect theories as difinitive fact' which should be directed towards the person who wrote the title of this thread. As an aside, please don't criticise other people's grammar when you write like that.
-As for the question on if I refute the claim Battleship Yamato has made of being the best fleet in the game, I absolutely do.
-As a further aside, I was wondering why the fleet was named after a Japanese battleship, which sunk rapidly under allied attack, losing 90% of the crew, during WWII.
does not give you the right to personally attack people and massacaraed it as a "jokey".
Adding this lingual massacre as a joke is truly fantastic. I applaud you, good sir.
For me your ego comment was a stretch as I absolutely could not care less about where we finished as a fleet. This is a game which is largely pay to win (whether that be real life time or actual money) so I don't see being the top fleet as anything to be hugely proud of, other than perhaps helping to allow the game to continue so all its players can gain whatever pleasure/entertainment/sense of achievement they do from it. I just like having something to tap to alleviate boredom and some fun people to chat to, and ensure I always put in effort as I wouldn't want to let the other humans in my fleet down, as I'm sure some of them care far more than I do about ranks. Making that claim about our entire fleet with a genuine derogatory implication is what I objected to.
I think the problem here stems from the fact that I assumed the spoilered comment would be so obviously brazen and incongruous with my genuine unspoilered comment that the intended humour would be recognised by everyone and not taken seriously. Clearly that was an error. My pet ducks were murdered by a fox in broad daylight on Christmas day so I haven't really been sleeping since then. It is possible that my sense of judgement is not functioning at 100%. For clarification, I do not think any of you participate in bestiality, and I think Bylo's great.
-To start off with it is very clear that DB have not implemented any ranking system of fleets over calendar years so the title is completely subjective and I would imagine many fleets can claim to be the best based on particular criteria.
-The list of achievements for Battleship Yamato is impressive, so congratulations! Very well done! However, that's all that was provided. There's been no attempt to clearly define or agree suitable criteria for "the best fleet of 2019" prior to 2019 or indeed before the list of achievements were posted.
-I don't believe you can define the best fleet in timelines by using statistics of achievements. It's quite ridiculous. In the title only the main achievement should be claimed.
-It does seem rather boastful to post your fleets achievements in the bridge section of this forum. It was mentioned by ursine cotcher that this was just compiling a year's worth of data and posting it, a behaviour that should not be criticised. In my experience fleets only post such data (usually in their recruitment page, I haven't looked at Battleship Yamato's yet to see if these claims are also there) when they are claiming their own fleet are the best and are looking for recruits. I am yet to see anyone do this and any other fleet is number 1.
-The behaviour of ursine cotcher was appalling. Resorting to making personal attacks on players because you can't refute their arguments logically is disgusting and demonstrated clearly what this thread is about. Then claiming s/he was only joking.... Also loved the quote 'thanks for stating your incorrect theories as difinitive fact' which should be directed towards the person who wrote the title of this thread. As an aside, please don't criticise other people's grammar when you write like that.
-As for the question on if I refute the claim Battleship Yamato has made of being the best fleet in the game, I absolutely do.
-As a further aside, I was wondering why the fleet was named after a Japanese battleship, which sunk rapidly under allied attack, losing 90% of the crew, during WWII.
-To start off with it is very clear that DB have not implemented any ranking system of fleets over calendar years so the title is completely subjective and I would imagine many fleets can claim to be the best based on particular criteria.
-The list of achievements for Battleship Yamato is impressive, so congratulations! Very well done! However, that's all that was provided. There's been no attempt to clearly define or agree suitable criteria for "the best fleet of 2019" prior to 2019 or indeed before the list of achievements were posted.
-I don't believe you can define the best fleet in timelines by using statistics of achievements. It's quite ridiculous. In the title only the main achievement should be claimed.
-It does seem rather boastful to post your fleets achievements in the bridge section of this forum. It was mentioned by ursine cotcher that this was just compiling a year's worth of data and posting it, a behaviour that should not be criticised. In my experience fleets only post such data (usually in their recruitment page, I haven't looked at Battleship Yamato's yet to see if these claims are also there) when they are claiming their own fleet are the best and are looking for recruits. I am yet to see anyone do this and any other fleet is number 1.
-The behaviour of ursine cotcher was appalling. Resorting to making personal attacks on players because you can't refute their arguments logically is disgusting and demonstrated clearly what this thread is about. Then claiming s/he was only joking.... Also loved the quote 'thanks for stating your incorrect theories as difinitive fact' which should be directed towards the person who wrote the title of this thread. As an aside, please don't criticise other people's grammar when you write like that.
-As for the question on if I refute the claim Battleship Yamato has made of being the best fleet in the game, I absolutely do.
-As a further aside, I was wondering why the fleet was named after a Japanese battleship, which sunk rapidly under allied attack, losing 90% of the crew, during WWII.
-To start off with it is very clear that DB have not implemented any ranking system of fleets over calendar years so the title is completely subjective and I would imagine many fleets can claim to be the best based on particular criteria.
-The list of achievements for Battleship Yamato is impressive, so congratulations! Very well done! However, that's all that was provided. There's been no attempt to clearly define or agree suitable criteria for "the best fleet of 2019" prior to 2019 or indeed before the list of achievements were posted.
-I don't believe you can define the best fleet in timelines by using statistics of achievements. It's quite ridiculous. In the title only the main achievement should be claimed.
-It does seem rather boastful to post your fleets achievements in the bridge section of this forum. It was mentioned by ursine cotcher that this was just compiling a year's worth of data and posting it, a behaviour that should not be criticised. In my experience fleets only post such data (usually in their recruitment page, I haven't looked at Battleship Yamato's yet to see if these claims are also there) when they are claiming their own fleet are the best and are looking for recruits. I am yet to see anyone do this and any other fleet is number 1.
-The behaviour of ursine cotcher was appalling. Resorting to making personal attacks on players because you can't refute their arguments logically is disgusting and demonstrated clearly what this thread is about. Then claiming s/he was only joking.... Also loved the quote 'thanks for stating your incorrect theories as difinitive fact' which should be directed towards the person who wrote the title of this thread. As an aside, please don't criticise other people's grammar when you write like that.
-As for the question on if I refute the claim Battleship Yamato has made of being the best fleet in the game, I absolutely do.
-As a further aside, I was wondering why the fleet was named after a Japanese battleship, which sunk rapidly under allied attack, losing 90% of the crew, during WWII.
It was also the USS Enterprise D's sister ship.
That was not 'Battleship Yamato'
Good point...I have nothing to comeback with... so I will now commence name-calling XD
Spoiler: that was a joke and was not to be taken literally in any way!
Congrats to Battleship Yamato on their 2019 performances.
I’m not sure that this is the proper metric to measure a fleet’s greatness. I’d rather have a fleet filled with people who are having fun and happy to be there.
Also, the TNG Yamato was a starship, not a battleship.
Oh dear God, this derailed quickly. Why is everyone so precious about this stuff?
I am assuming, so correct me if I am wrong, that the fleet rankings are based on rankings in events. This seems perfectly rational to me and a fairly obvious way to claim #1. The OP stated a number of facts to break down further the rankings, so it's clearly not solely based on a hidden algorithm.
DB don't maintain a fleet leaderboard for some reason and if players are going out of their way to maintain one that is a potentially huge value add to the community. This should be celebrated for that reason alone. It is not unusual for those most interested in doing that work to be the ones most invested in the outcome because they reckon they are close to the top.
ursine cotcher was very obviously joking and also trying to highlight what the type of post some were looking to be outraged by would look like. And lo and behold people went out of their way to be outraged. I guess this is the world we live in today.
Someone does something cool and people look to tear them down with this facile "you're not better than me" knee jerk reaction. They are. In that very limited niche as a group running events in STT, they are. That's ok to admit. Your fleet may be a cooler place, or have more jokes on your discord server or whatever, and that's great. You might also be the worlds actual greatest dad or boss or whatever it is you choose to care about. If you want to go and create a comparison along that vector, knock yourself out, but intuitively, ranking in events just makes a hell of a lot more sense in this particular part of our shared experience.
To be honest the reason I even care about this is that I was *really* happy to see the rankings and get a sense of how active people are week to week. And I immediately wondered about my performance over the year relative to others and was wondering how I compared to the average player in those top fleets and I was genuinely excited that someone was keeping track of it. This was just intellectual curiosity, I wasn't 'competing' with anyone but myself over the course of the year, but outside motivation can be very powerful and I'd like to get a sense of where I stack up relative to the mean. At no point did I find the idea of a ranking based on events threatening or demeaning, as some people here obviously do.
Why assume anything bad in these posts? Where is the profit in that? Just accept that some people are very enthusiastic and willing to work hard at something you don't care that much about and that it doesn't reflect negatively on you. And yet as long as the context is clear (and I thought it was) highlighting ones achievements is perfectly ok. Like Paladin27 and his full roster. I've been sharing that screenshot with my friends and we think it's awesome. Well done him. I don't have the resources to match that achievement but I also don't in anyway feel threatened by it.
I imagine that it would not be looked upon favorably if I decided to start a thread congratulating myself for some achievement in 2019.
Honestly? I don't imagine anything unfavorable would be said at all. At one time not long ago, there were three separate threads having been started and maintained by three separate players, each of whom added a new post to them every time they'd immortalized another crew member — although I think only one of those threads is still being regularly maintained — and (to my puzzlement) all of them seemed to draw nothing but praise from other forum posters. At least this achievement has the benefit of being something that not pretty much everyone does themselves on a weekly basis.
In any case, whoever manages to sneak in the final post here before Shan comes in with "this thread has run its course" wins an all-expense paid trip to Risa for two! (Shirtless Picard optional.)
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I imagine that it would not be looked upon favorably if I decided to start a thread congratulating myself for some achievement in 2019.
Honestly? I don't imagine anything unfavorable would be said at all. At one time not long ago, there were three separate threads having been started and maintained by three separate players, each of whom added a new post to them every time they'd immortalized another crew member — although I think only one of those threads is still being regularly maintained — and (to my puzzlement) all of them seemed to draw nothing but praise from other forum posters. At least this achievement has the benefit of being something that not pretty much everyone does themselves on a weekly basis.
In any case, whoever manages to sneak in the final post here before Shan comes in with "this thread has run its course" wins an all-expense paid trip to Risa for two! (Shirtless Picard optional.)
I was one of those players, and when I started it seemed cool but eventually to me it felt like bragging so I quit and just save the screenshots on my phone now. Now when @Paladin 27 ftms a crew and posts their stats is it bragging? No. Does s\he make a thread about it? Again no. But it still benefits everyone to know. This post I think benefits people and I would even encourage the op to maybe take up maintaining a top 100 leaderboard. What threw it as a brag to me was the title.
That's not what I'm looking for, that's just a ranking. I'm looking for the underlying data.
What I really want is individual level data, so that I can see how I perform relative to the average player in a high ranking fleet.
Since only the top 50 standings are released every week, even if someone had all the data available you would only see those players.
From a fleet rank composition perspective, the top fleet most weeks probably has 20-40 folks in the top 1500, depending on how top heavy they are from someone putting up a huge score in the top 5.
Having the top average fleet rank is an accomplishment, well done.
Declaring you're "the best" or taking the brash stance of, in similar terms, "come at me" is just arrogant. I think that's where you turn off people. Especially with another fleet-mate chiming in with that "spoiler" section. (enjoy your ban/suspension)
For 2020 please work towards learning to distance yourself from a situation before posting, having a better perspective and better interactions with each other.
This did not need to viewed negatively, it did not need to derail, etc etc
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I was going to keep my mouth shout about this thread and let you guys have your day in the sun since you apparently need the ego stroking but Bylo absolutely makes a valid point.
Furthermore, every year these type of threads pop up and they are always created by the "winning" Fleet for that year.
There is a complete lack of transparency in regards to the ranking system when a member of the apparently #1 Fleet is the one who creates it and comes up with the specific point system that places their Fleet in the number one spot.
Coincidentally, your Fleet finished 1st in the last Event (Dead to Rights). I wonder how much of a role that played in the final ranks. Especially when your Fleet was the only one to know what the ranks were up until this point.
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I'm sorry that you failed to understand this, but your assertion that finishing first in the last event of the year would have had any effect on the final average rankings that [STFL] Kolrath very kindly worked out for everyone suggests that you may struggle with understanding a great many things. Your assertion that our fleet knew anything about these ranks prior to the final event is completely false as it's not something that had been discussed, and this thread was made by an individual member entirely off their own back. But thanks for stating your incorrect theories as difinitive fact. Not many of us actually post here. I just stumbled upon it and saw a fleetmate being criticised and thought it was a tad unnecessary so tried to deflect in a humorous manner. The in-game PMs I've received from complete unknowns suggests this was at least a partial success. Your accusation that our entire fleet need our egos stroking because of a single member's annual ranking summary post seems strangely similar to what you were accusing me of doing to the whole community in my joke post, so thanks for being a massive hypocrite.
Next time you try to end a self-righteous rant with some triumphant, cutting quote, at least make the effort to avoid typos.
If this means so much to you please feel free to work out your own metric for ranking fleets that puts yours in the top spot and I'll be the first to come and congratulate you.
Also try not taking life so seriously.
Speaking to this point only, the system is in fact highly transparent — or, at least, the system I assumed they used for this ranking is. The fleet leaderboard for each event has been publicly posted for many months. And if there were any discrepancies with any fleet's standings in any event, they could see how they differed from their own internal rankings (available to every fleet member in their personal fleet window). It is also hosted on Izausome's site, and he is a member of SSR, not Battleship Yamato. Certainly anyone is welcome to crunch the numbers and come up with their own ranking. It is for this reason that I completely accepted the claim, because it would be too easy for someone else to refute.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I understand their jokey response wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but it also unfortunately served to undo a lot of the goodwill that was offered in their fleet's direction by some of us. And it was also just crass, even in jest.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
That being said, I think most folks who thought that just moved on and didn't bother responding because it wasn't worth it. The spoilered comments clearly went over the line and violate the forum community guidelines. They will be snipped as soon as Shan reads them and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a ban of some sort for whomever posted them.
However, does not give you the right to personally attack people and mascaraed it as a "jokey".
You have the right to feel however you want about Bylo's comments, just as Bylo had the right to comment on your colleague's post any way he wanted. Last time I checked we live in a society where people can have a difference of opinions.
Putting a lot of effort into something does not automatically shield that person from criticism, especially when they post on a public forum.
If you were expecting everyone to pat you guys on the back and shower you with praise then my ego comment was not that much of a stretch now was it?
Oh and if we're going to point out typos....
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On the other hand, @÷ Sparrow did paste a list of the tops fleets which seems like an unofficial leaderboard which could thereby be seen as not bragging for his own fleet but for others to see how well they did with in competing with others... But I agree that the title didn't convey a message of "fleet leaderboard for 2019" but rather "we are number one and here is the list to prove it!" The original post did not to me imo. So I think a re wording for the title as above would go a long way to not having this thread labeled as ego stroking...plus getting this usine guy to be quiet... Seriously @÷ Sparrow I've seen u post from time to time and you are a nice guy and I don't believe you meant to be a gloryhog or prideful in posting this good info... But having someone say stuff like that about a fellow player, one I and I believe many others consider one of the best contributors to the forums... It tarnishs your fleet and also fuels the "this is ego stroking!" claims, because really, only unintelligent people resort to name-calling when presented with a valid, opposite opinion...
Edit: just noticed the leaderboard for fleets wasn't even posted by a Yamato fleet player...oops on my part
-To start off with it is very clear that DB have not implemented any ranking system of fleets over calendar years so the title is completely subjective and I would imagine many fleets can claim to be the best based on particular criteria.
-The list of achievements for Battleship Yamato is impressive, so congratulations! Very well done! However, that's all that was provided. There's been no attempt to clearly define or agree suitable criteria for "the best fleet of 2019" prior to 2019 or indeed before the list of achievements were posted.
-I don't believe you can define the best fleet in timelines by using statistics of achievements. It's quite ridiculous. In the title only the main achievement should be claimed.
-It does seem rather boastful to post your fleets achievements in the bridge section of this forum. It was mentioned by ursine cotcher that this was just compiling a year's worth of data and posting it, a behaviour that should not be criticised. In my experience fleets only post such data (usually in their recruitment page, I haven't looked at Battleship Yamato's yet to see if these claims are also there) when they are claiming their own fleet are the best and are looking for recruits. I am yet to see anyone do this and any other fleet is number 1.
-The behaviour of ursine cotcher was appalling. Resorting to making personal attacks on players because you can't refute their arguments logically is disgusting and demonstrated clearly what this thread is about. Then claiming s/he was only joking.... Also loved the quote 'thanks for stating your incorrect theories as difinitive fact' which should be directed towards the person who wrote the title of this thread. As an aside, please don't criticise other people's grammar when you write like that.
-As for the question on if I refute the claim Battleship Yamato has made of being the best fleet in the game, I absolutely do.
-As a further aside, I was wondering why the fleet was named after a Japanese battleship, which sunk rapidly under allied attack, losing 90% of the crew, during WWII.
Adding this lingual massacre as a joke is truly fantastic. I applaud you, good sir.
For me your ego comment was a stretch as I absolutely could not care less about where we finished as a fleet. This is a game which is largely pay to win (whether that be real life time or actual money) so I don't see being the top fleet as anything to be hugely proud of, other than perhaps helping to allow the game to continue so all its players can gain whatever pleasure/entertainment/sense of achievement they do from it. I just like having something to tap to alleviate boredom and some fun people to chat to, and ensure I always put in effort as I wouldn't want to let the other humans in my fleet down, as I'm sure some of them care far more than I do about ranks. Making that claim about our entire fleet with a genuine derogatory implication is what I objected to.
I think the problem here stems from the fact that I assumed the spoilered comment would be so obviously brazen and incongruous with my genuine unspoilered comment that the intended humour would be recognised by everyone and not taken seriously. Clearly that was an error. My pet ducks were murdered by a fox in broad daylight on Christmas day so I haven't really been sleeping since then. It is possible that my sense of judgement is not functioning at 100%. For clarification, I do not think any of you participate in bestiality, and I think Bylo's great.
It was also the USS Enterprise D's sister ship.
That was not 'Battleship Yamato'
Good point...I have nothing to comeback with... so I will now commence name-calling XD
Spoiler: that was a joke and was not to be taken literally in any way!
I’m not sure that this is the proper metric to measure a fleet’s greatness. I’d rather have a fleet filled with people who are having fun and happy to be there.
Also, the TNG Yamato was a starship, not a battleship.
I am assuming, so correct me if I am wrong, that the fleet rankings are based on rankings in events. This seems perfectly rational to me and a fairly obvious way to claim #1. The OP stated a number of facts to break down further the rankings, so it's clearly not solely based on a hidden algorithm.
DB don't maintain a fleet leaderboard for some reason and if players are going out of their way to maintain one that is a potentially huge value add to the community. This should be celebrated for that reason alone. It is not unusual for those most interested in doing that work to be the ones most invested in the outcome because they reckon they are close to the top.
ursine cotcher was very obviously joking and also trying to highlight what the type of post some were looking to be outraged by would look like. And lo and behold people went out of their way to be outraged. I guess this is the world we live in today.
Someone does something cool and people look to tear them down with this facile "you're not better than me" knee jerk reaction. They are. In that very limited niche as a group running events in STT, they are. That's ok to admit. Your fleet may be a cooler place, or have more jokes on your discord server or whatever, and that's great. You might also be the worlds actual greatest dad or boss or whatever it is you choose to care about. If you want to go and create a comparison along that vector, knock yourself out, but intuitively, ranking in events just makes a hell of a lot more sense in this particular part of our shared experience.
To be honest the reason I even care about this is that I was *really* happy to see the rankings and get a sense of how active people are week to week. And I immediately wondered about my performance over the year relative to others and was wondering how I compared to the average player in those top fleets and I was genuinely excited that someone was keeping track of it. This was just intellectual curiosity, I wasn't 'competing' with anyone but myself over the course of the year, but outside motivation can be very powerful and I'd like to get a sense of where I stack up relative to the mean. At no point did I find the idea of a ranking based on events threatening or demeaning, as some people here obviously do.
Why assume anything bad in these posts? Where is the profit in that? Just accept that some people are very enthusiastic and willing to work hard at something you don't care that much about and that it doesn't reflect negatively on you. And yet as long as the context is clear (and I thought it was) highlighting ones achievements is perfectly ok. Like Paladin27 and his full roster. I've been sharing that screenshot with my friends and we think it's awesome. Well done him. I don't have the resources to match that achievement but I also don't in anyway feel threatened by it.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents... Well done again OP.
Honestly? I don't imagine anything unfavorable would be said at all. At one time not long ago, there were three separate threads having been started and maintained by three separate players, each of whom added a new post to them every time they'd immortalized another crew member — although I think only one of those threads is still being regularly maintained — and (to my puzzlement) all of them seemed to draw nothing but praise from other forum posters. At least this achievement has the benefit of being something that not pretty much everyone does themselves on a weekly basis.
In any case, whoever manages to sneak in the final post here before Shan comes in with "this thread has run its course" wins an all-expense paid trip to Risa for two! (Shirtless Picard optional.)
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
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I was one of those players, and when I started it seemed cool but eventually to me it felt like bragging so I quit and just save the screenshots on my phone now. Now when @Paladin 27 ftms a crew and posts their stats is it bragging? No. Does s\he make a thread about it? Again no. But it still benefits everyone to know. This post I think benefits people and I would even encourage the op to maybe take up maintaining a top 100 leaderboard. What threw it as a brag to me was the title.
Probably the links in the first post of this thread.
https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/10420/fleet-leaderboard-archive/p1
That's not what I'm looking for, that's just a ranking. I'm looking for the underlying data.
What I really want is individual level data, so that I can see how I perform relative to the average player in a high ranking fleet.
The data discussed in this thread is about fleets. There's not much in the way of individual data. That would be a lot of tracking.
Since only the top 50 standings are released every week, even if someone had all the data available you would only see those players.
From a fleet rank composition perspective, the top fleet most weeks probably has 20-40 folks in the top 1500, depending on how top heavy they are from someone putting up a huge score in the top 5.
Declaring you're "the best" or taking the brash stance of, in similar terms, "come at me" is just arrogant. I think that's where you turn off people. Especially with another fleet-mate chiming in with that "spoiler" section. (enjoy your ban/suspension)
You can celebrate without being boastful.
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Closing.
For 2020 please work towards learning to distance yourself from a situation before posting, having a better perspective and better interactions with each other.
This did not need to viewed negatively, it did not need to derail, etc etc