🌌[Images inside] - Canon or Non-Canon?

Capt. Pete Owen

Would you prefer DB exhaust ideas from the majority of canon characters from the franchise before exploring non-canon character ideas?

Astrometrics

Non-canon

I'll take one hundred non-Canon characters before I'm forced to care about an Insurrection character. Yours is a black-and-white question that is formulated in a way that I can only answer "non-Canon".

No, I don't want DB to exhaust the "majority" of canon characters.

If you gave me the choice between Brainless Spock and 29th century Spock, I'd pick 29th Century Spock.
If you gave me the choice between Salamander Janeway or Mirror Janeway, I'd pick Mirror Janeway.
If you gave me the choice between Profit-and-Lace She-Quark and Assimilated Quark, I'd pick Assimilated Quark.
If you gave me the choice between Allamaraine Sisko and Federation President Sisko, I'd pick Federation President Sisko.
If you gave me the choice between Insurrection Boring Lady Who can't Swim and... anyone... I'd pick anyone (unless it's Neelix).


Need I go on?

No, the truth is that canon Trek has some awful characters whom I really dislike and don't want to ever see in my crew. I will happily take any amount of non-canon Characters before I have to give a slot to anyone who reminds me of the atrocious Insurrection flick.

(That goes also to all the Star Trek V characters who flew straight out of my airlock, of course.)


So, to your black-and-white "exhaust all Canon" versus "include non-Canon", the choice is really trivial.

The real question is whether there are enough cool Canon characters to fill all the needs of the game without needing non-Canon characters. It's a shame you're not asking that question.

Capt. Pete Owen

Canon

Astrometrics wrote: »

I'll take one hundred non-Canon characters before I'm forced to care about an Insurrection character. Yours is a black-and-white question that is formulated in a way that I can only answer "non-Canon".

No, I don't want DB to exhaust the "majority" of canon characters.

If you gave me the choice between Brainless Spock and 29th century Spock, I'd pick 29th Century Spock.
If you gave me the choice between Salamander Janeway or Mirror Janeway, I'd pick Mirror Janeway.
If you gave me the choice between Profit-and-Lace She-Quark and Assimilated Quark, I'd pick Assimilated Quark.
If you gave me the choice between Allamaraine Sisko and Federation President Sisko, I'd pick Federation President Sisko.
If you gave me the choice between Insurrection Boring Lady Who can't Swim and... anyone... I'd pick anyone (unless it's Neelix).


Need I go on?

No, the truth is that canon Trek has some awful characters whom I really dislike and don't want to ever see in my crew. I will happily take any amount of non-canon Characters before I have to give a slot to anyone who reminds me of the atrocious Insurrection flick.

(That goes also to all the Star Trek V characters who flew straight out of my airlock, of course.)


So, to your black-and-white "exhaust all Canon" versus "include non-Canon", the choice is really trivial.

The real question is whether there are enough cool Canon characters to fill all the needs of the game without needing non-Canon characters. It's a shame you're not asking that question.

Yawn! 😴
Now if you'd responded to my post in an objective manner instead of coming across like a complete <snip> ˜Shan, I would have happily taken the time to answer each of your arguments. But you didn't, so jog on!

Ricard Daystrom

Non-canon

I want non-canon because I would want Augment La Forge before I would want Brainless Spock or some more characters from the abysmal Star Trek V. I think we need alot of canon characters, but we could mix in Non-Canon characters. Also, no need to call people bad names Capt. Pete Owen

Ricard Daystrom

Non-canon

On abother note, I apologize for multiple posts that already existed that I copied. I could've just posted there.

Clanof

I can't wait for assmilated augment Klingon LaForge.

Astrometrics

Non-canon

Capt. Pete Owen wrote: »

<snip> Please do not quote comments that go against or Community Guidelines. ˜Shan

So you ask for a preference (which is a subjective opinion) and you call <snip> ˜Shan people whose answer isn't objective?

But thank you for immediately resorting to insults. It's always the sign of a skilled debater

Capt. Pete Owen

Canon

Hi Astrometrics!
Exactly, I asked for a preference, simple poll, yay or nay.
<snip> Please keep your comments in line with our Community Guidelines. ˜Shan
Hence me calling you out for what you are.
There's my observation.

Some of us have busy jobs & a life with little time to debate trivial **tsk tsk**.

If I'd of had the time I'd of just posed the question instead of makin it a simple yes/no poll.

You're boring me now!

Astrometrics

Non-canon

"What is that? SOMEONE ACTUALLY EXPLAINED THE REASON WHY THEY VOTED?"

"It's time to throw a hissy fit while I say that I have much better stuff to do and my time is really, really precious."

Classy, Pete.


Seriously, though: relax, please. People are free to express their opinions. Your desire to censor discussion is... weird... and your attempt to enforce it by calling people "cu*t" and "prick" is really quite close to abusive.

Also you are derailing your own thread.

Travis S McClain

I concur with Astrometrics about their vote and reasoning, and about how ridiculous the response to their post is.

Capt. Pete Owen

Canon

3 Days of voting 🗳

75% in favour of Canon.

25% in favour of
Non-Canon.

Astrometrics

Non-canon

Capt. Pete Owen wrote: »

3 Days of voting 🗳

75% in favour of Canon.

25% in favour of
Non-Canon.

... Please don't tell me that you intend to extrapolate the feelings of a player population of tens of thousands based on the votes of twelve.

Twelve votes means "apathy" and "no representativity whatsoever".

(Who am I kidding, I expect you'll react to this in a way that a kindergardener would find undignified).


Travis: thanks

Pallidyne

Non-canon

Also with folks like Travis not voting (you can see he has a no-response on his post) you're getting a response from some users of a different type, that no vote matches their opinion on the subject.

I have also reported those comments that violate community guidelines.

My non-cannon vote is mostly in line with some of the views expressed, except that I actually liked STV. Kirks response to Sybok, the "I need my pain" speech is something I have used when teaching and occasionally when counselling. I've also used "Why would God need a Starship" when explaining my opinion of folks who abuse priestcraft for their own gain, like building mansions, etc.

So a Go Climb a Rock Kirk, or Rocket Boot Spock would be something I'd be into, though most of the non-canon ones here have not been too bad. (23rd Century Martok notwithstanding) I get a giggle out of Augment Riker, though I think they missed the boat on some level and I think it should have been Thomas. I want more canon DS9, hardcore, but some cool alternative Sisko's would be fun as well. A grown Miral Paris would be interesting in another Klingon Mega (I'd love to see her the event's main 5 actually, with a messianic plotline with the Klingons embracing and KCA getting all bent out of shape because of her.)

To met it's all spice added. Of course due to continuity issues, there are some 'canon' that I don't recognize as such, but I know its from eps and shows that other people like so I deal. (Grumble some, but I deal)

Also, if you look at the wiki, and assuming it is up to date (y'all do a hell of a job so I am confident there) there are only 9 non-canon characters in game. That's in a total of 442 according to the cryostasis vault.

That means DB has put only ~2% of all characters being non-canon. That's right 2 out of every 100 added.

This past event, all canon. Next event, all canon. There's no dearth of canon being added. I might question some of the selections, even from canon.

(And if you question the numbers, crunch em yourself, you'll see maybe you missed some episodes or movies along the way.)

Astrometrics

Non-canon

Pallidyne wrote: »

Also with folks like Travis not voting (you can see he has a no-response on his post) you're getting a response from some users of a different type, that no vote matches their opinion on the subject.

I have also reported those comments that violate community guidelines.

My non-cannon vote is mostly in line with some of the views expressed, except that I actually liked STV. Kirks response to Sybok, the "I need my pain" speech is something I have used when teaching and occasionally when counselling. I've also used "Why would God need a Starship" when explaining my opinion of folks who abuse priestcraft for their own gain, like building mansions, etc.

So a Go Climb a Rock Kirk, or Rocket Boot Spock would be something I'd be into, though most of the non-canon ones here have not been too bad. (23rd Century Martok notwithstanding) I get a giggle out of Augment Riker, though I think they missed the boat on some level and I think it should have been Thomas. I want more canon DS9, hardcore, but some cool alternative Sisko's would be fun as well. A grown Miral Paris would be interesting in another Klingon Mega (I'd love to see her the event's main 5 actually, with a messianic plotline with the Klingons embracing and KCA getting all bent out of shape because of her.)

To met it's all spice added. Of course due to continuity issues, there are some 'canon' that I don't recognize as such, but I know its from eps and shows that other people like so I deal. (Grumble some, but I deal)

Also, if you look at the wiki, and assuming it is up to date (y'all do a hell of a job so I am confident there) there are only 9 non-canon characters in game. That's in a total of 442 according to the cryostasis vault.

That means DB has put only ~2% of all characters being non-canon. That's right 2 out of every 100 added.

This past event, all canon. Next event, all canon. There's no dearth of canon being added. I might question some of the selections, even from canon.

(And if you question the numbers, crunch em yourself, you'll see maybe you missed some episodes or movies along the way.)

A very well-reasoned response

I do agree that a fully grown Miral Paris would be a very interesting character!

Ricard Daystrom

Non-canon

Maybe STV Kirk could be El Captiane Kirk?

FutureImperfecta

Non-canon

If the non Canon are fine well enough, they blend in perfectly. Take machine gun Janeway..
If I'm not mistaken for a while the general view of her in these forums was that she was from the killing game.. but, then they added that exact version and everyone was all like "ohh.. wow" .

So I'm good with it.
I'm not a great fan of potato Head Martok it even augment Riker or Picard..

But the Machine gun Janeway was well done and I think Mirror Keylar wasn't too bad.

I don't feel that convergence day Quark should be listed as non Canon because he's created off of a Canon version. (What you leave behind)

I'd like to see a mix of other Canon and non Canon crew in the future..

I want Defiant Thomas Riker..
I also want Lazon II prison camp Tom Riker.

I want Admiral Ross..
I wouldn't be upset with a Captain Ross in the Tng Season 6 Red if his art was done well.

Show me an Assimilated Jem'Hadar without incredible art and I'll show you how he looks in my crew immortalized

It depends on the art..
The Story & the stats.

Oh, btw..
The Savior of the entire alpha quadrant,
Morn.. should have a super rare.
Maybe Vic's Lounge Morn, in a tux D
(All his sound bites are in the game, may as well put them to additional use @Black Pebble )

Peachtree Rex

Non-canon

"Loquacious Morn"...the 5* we deserve...

SoupKitchen Riker

While I prefer canon characters, I can see the appeal on non-canon characters provided they are done well. I think it would to tough in this game to stick to strictly canon characters, as pointed out, some are less than desirable (brainless Spock). Having said that, I do not want a ridiculous non-canon sharacter like Breen Q, for example.

Peachtree Rex wrote: »

"Loquacious Morn"...the 5* we deserve...

Would you take “Rock Star Hair Morn” by chance? 5 * of course...