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 Bri Bri ✭✭✭✭
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... waste of dilithium? I wasted about 7k dil to get an indignant Seven, but it was worth it due to immediately fusing her and immortalizing Indulgent Seven, so not so much a waste. I’d say Tuesday packs were the main culprit prior to me deciding against doing them henceforth.
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  •  Bri Bri ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
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    ... waste of dilithium? I wasted about 7k dil to get an indignant Seven, but it was worth it due to immediately fusing her and immortalizing Indulgent Seven, so not so much a waste. I’d say Tuesday packs were the main culprit prior to me deciding against doing them going forward. What about you guys?
  • [TFA] CaptainObvious[TFA] CaptainObvious ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    I bought the what was then final star for Luther Sloan directly from the Section 31 faction store. That was when Dil was still abundant (before I stopped buying the Monthly Card regularly) and crew slots were highly sought after. With all the copies of him I received since then, this must have been the biggest waste I intentionally created.

    Oh and I once muscle-memoried buying another scan for the outrageous amount of 400 Dil, although CS did reverse that.
  •  Bri Bri ✭✭✭✭
    I bought the what was then final star for Luther Sloan directly from the Section 31 faction store. That was when Dil was still abundant (before I stopped buying the Monthly Card regularly) and crew slots were highly sought after. With all the copies of him I received since then, this must have been the biggest waste I intentionally created.

    Oh and I once muscle-memoried buying another scan for the outrageous amount of 400 Dil, although CS did reverse that.

    Haha, damn that muscle memory.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Before Voyages, I wasted a lot of 5 🌟 Schemes in the Replicator. Now, I fuss every time my Trait matching 5 🌟 is like Level Four or something.
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • I once scored 4,300 without using any dilithium at all and only some merit refresh.
    •SSR Delta Flyers•
  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know when your gauntlet began, but 5881 is not impossible if you're playing for points from the start.
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    Biggest waste of dilithium is from chasing packs. I try to avoid it. I've been lucky a few times, but lost more than a thousand on a couple of occasions. I save my monthly card dilithium and campaign dilithium (mostly) for crew slots. Before the honor sale, I was sitting on a dozen surplus spots. I also have many purple crew who could be frozen. The more crew i can keep out, the more I have for events and the less freezing I have to do. If I ever get to VIP 14 (I hope never since that will mean I've spent an insane amount of money), I would look forward to those crew spots.

    As for gauntlet: A high score does not mean dilithium spent. Good crew and merits spent along with good timing will give similar results.
  •  Bri Bri ✭✭✭✭
    I once scored 4,300 without using any dilithium at all and only some merit refresh.

    Same here tbh, I’ve had some big numbers without dil, just those times when the Gods are smiling down.
    AviTrek wrote: »
    I don't know when your gauntlet began, but 5881 is not impossible if you're playing for points from the start.

    Was over 3000 after the first round or two. I have no problem with people using dil in gauntlet. I just consider it a bit of a waste, particularly as the gauntlet legends haven’t been refreshed for so long. It just got me thinking what do other people consider to be a waste of dil
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    My top ten finish, that I got LOCUTUS OF BORG, I used no Dilithium. Did do Merit Refreshes to get ones I had a better chance against.

    Just last week, I finally noticed the thing over top of the opponent's Roll Range that says how many trophies for a win. That has helped me a lot. If two similar opponents are there, and one drops 10 trophies, and one drops 250 trophies, go for the 250!!!!!!

    Can't believe I missed that number all this time.........
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.
  • marschallinmarschallin ✭✭✭✭
    My biggest waste of dilithium is a pack that has a character I really want. I wasted like 4500 dilithium about a month ago, trying to get a copy of Dr Katherine Pulaski or Dr Culber from one of those Friday packs.

    I got 3 copies of the Rozhenkos instead. 🤬

    I usually have a firm guideline before I start of how many packs I’m going to pull (usually only 2-3 at most) and I stick with that, but I just kept figuring I had to get at least one of them for all the dilithium I was spending...

    The other thing I waste my dilithium on is reviving voyages when I forget them. It’s not every time, but 200 dilithium twice a week starts to add up...
  • marschallinmarschallin ✭✭✭✭
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...
  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...

    That is correct. There are 6 crew in Tuesday packs but only three in event packs. Since the golds have a much lower drop rate than the purples, the odds are better with the reduced numbers in event packs

  • marschallinmarschallin ✭✭✭✭
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...

    That is correct. There are 6 crew in Tuesday packs but only three in event packs. Since the golds have a much lower drop rate than the purples, the odds are better with the reduced numbers in event packs

    Okay, I just looked it up, and the legendary drop rate for both packs is 1.27%. So you’re saying the odds of getting a specific legendary is greatly increased in the event pack. Ok, I *did* already know that. Somehow, from your comment, I though you were saying the chance of getting a legendary, period, was greatly increased in the event packs. Like, it was 1.27% in regular packs, but in event packs, it went up to like 6% or something, and I couldn’t believe I didn’t notice that.
  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...

    That is correct. There are 6 crew in Tuesday packs but only three in event packs. Since the golds have a much lower drop rate than the purples, the odds are better with the reduced numbers in event packs

    Okay, I just looked it up, and the legendary drop rate for both packs is 1.27%. So you’re saying the odds of getting a specific legendary is greatly increased in the event pack. Ok, I *did* already know that. Somehow, from your comment, I though you were saying the chance of getting a legendary, period, was greatly increased in the event packs. Like, it was 1.27% in regular packs, but in event packs, it went up to like 6% or something, and I couldn’t believe I didn’t notice that.

    I feel like it is known that the drop rate for the event packs is as follows. Someone may certainly correct me if I am wrong:

    Purple - 45%
    Purple - 45%
    Gold - 10%

  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...

    That is correct. There are 6 crew in Tuesday packs but only three in event packs. Since the golds have a much lower drop rate than the purples, the odds are better with the reduced numbers in event packs

    Okay, I just looked it up, and the legendary drop rate for both packs is 1.27%. So you’re saying the odds of getting a specific legendary is greatly increased in the event pack. Ok, I *did* already know that. Somehow, from your comment, I though you were saying the chance of getting a legendary, period, was greatly increased in the event packs. Like, it was 1.27% in regular packs, but in event packs, it went up to like 6% or something, and I couldn’t believe I didn’t notice that.

    I feel like it is known that the drop rate for the event packs is as follows. Someone may certainly correct me if I am wrong:

    Purple - 45%
    Purple - 45%
    Gold - 10%

    The assumption(although never confirmed) is the odds of the guaranteed card in a pack are 90% 4* and 10% 5*. Then an equal chance of each card at that rarity. So in a standard event pack with 2 4* and 1 5*, the odds are 45/45/10. In a Tuesday pack with 3 4* and 3 5* the odds are 30/30/30/3.33/3.33/3.33.

    In a normal pack, the straight drop seems to always be a 4*. But that straight drop is only triggered if all the cards are 3*/schematics and no 4/5* was randomly selected.
  • marschallinmarschallin ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...

    That is correct. There are 6 crew in Tuesday packs but only three in event packs. Since the golds have a much lower drop rate than the purples, the odds are better with the reduced numbers in event packs

    Okay, I just looked it up, and the legendary drop rate for both packs is 1.27%. So you’re saying the odds of getting a specific legendary is greatly increased in the event pack. Ok, I *did* already know that. Somehow, from your comment, I though you were saying the chance of getting a legendary, period, was greatly increased in the event packs. Like, it was 1.27% in regular packs, but in event packs, it went up to like 6% or something, and I couldn’t believe I didn’t notice that.

    I feel like it is known that the drop rate for the event packs is as follows. Someone may certainly correct me if I am wrong:

    Purple - 45%
    Purple - 45%
    Gold - 10%

    Well, if the drop rate is 1.27%, I think that is your chance for each individual card. So in a pack of 10 cards, it would stand to reason that the legendary drop rate per pack would be ~10%. (Actually, 12.7%, I believe, but let’s stick with 10% because it’s an easier number to deal with.)

    Whereas in, say, Tuesday packs, your overall chance for a legendary in each pack would still be ~10%, but split three ways, that would make the odds for a specific legendary 3.33%.

    So I think we’re saying the same thing, I just understood your original post to mean that the *overall* chance of getting a legend increased in the event pack, not your chance of getting that specific legendary. 😃
  • marschallinmarschallin ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    Dupe post, delete.
  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...

    That is correct. There are 6 crew in Tuesday packs but only three in event packs. Since the golds have a much lower drop rate than the purples, the odds are better with the reduced numbers in event packs

    Okay, I just looked it up, and the legendary drop rate for both packs is 1.27%. So you’re saying the odds of getting a specific legendary is greatly increased in the event pack. Ok, I *did* already know that. Somehow, from your comment, I though you were saying the chance of getting a legendary, period, was greatly increased in the event packs. Like, it was 1.27% in regular packs, but in event packs, it went up to like 6% or something, and I couldn’t believe I didn’t notice that.

    I feel like it is known that the drop rate for the event packs is as follows. Someone may certainly correct me if I am wrong:

    Purple - 45%
    Purple - 45%
    Gold - 10%

    Well, if the drop rate is 1.27%, I think that is your chance for each individual card. So in a pack of 10 cards, it would stand to reason that the legendary drop rate per pack would be ~10%. (Actually, 12.7%, I believe, but let’s stick with 10% because it’s an easier number to deal with.)

    Whereas in, say, Tuesday packs, your overall chance for a legendary in each pack would still be ~10%, but split three ways, that would make the odds for a specific legendary 3.33%.

    So I think we’re saying the same thing, I just understood your original post to mean that the *overall* chance of getting a legend increased in the event pack, not your chance of getting that specific legendary. 😃

    Ah. I gotcha. Yes, it appears we are saying the same thing at it seems that @AviTrek above has explained it better than we have been able to

  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    I don't know if it would be a "waste" of Dilithium, but it was certainly a big expenditure. I had never run the Dabo table before, but when the recent 1/2 price offer was going on, I saw Decker there, and had really wanted him — plus, I needed both of the SR's offered, and I had a stash of Dil sitting around, as well — so I decided to go for it.

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    Then a few days later, running into the same situation, I did it again. 😜

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    Was a lot cheaper than it normally would've been, of course, and I also used an ad for the final spin.



    Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
    ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    How much does running the wheel cost?
  • Ren~Ren~ ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wasted 8k dil trying to get another copy or two of Pinning Vina from her event packs. Then I became very much anti event packs. What a waste of resources and money.
  • ~peregrine~~peregrine~ ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    How much does running the wheel cost?

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    Here’s a link to the relevant section of the Wiki:

    https://stt.wiki/wiki/Time_Portal#Dabo_Wheel
    🖖
    "In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
  • marschallinmarschallin ✭✭✭✭
    How much does running the wheel cost?

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    Here’s a link to the relevant section of the Wiki:

    https://stt.wiki/wiki/Time_Portal#Dabo_Wheel
    🖖

    So, using the ad warp for the final spin, and with the half price sale, that’s around 5,750 dilithium if I’m doing my math correctly.

    I think if you really want that specific legendary, it might be worth it. Packs are a crapshoot, and I’ve spent almost that much trying to get a crew and had absolutely nothing to show for it.

    Plus, if the SRs are a) ones you need and b) not in packs, it becomes an even better deal.

    I could see doing it under the right circumstances if there was a 50% sale going on. Probably never pay full price though, but that’s just me. Getting a legend you really want + 2 SRs not in the portal...I’ve spent more and gotten less, lol.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    As much as Tuesday packs can be frustrating since they offer 3 legends, they have the same odds as any other pack to get a 5*. If you don't want all 3 of the legends you know going in that you're risking getting something you don't want. I guess psychologically some of you feel better about faction event pulls since you're finishing a SR, but you can of course spend the same dil as you could on a tuesday pack before hitting a legend.

    Event packs also have a much higher drop rate for featured crew than Tuesday packs or regular packs. It’s not just finishing the SR that’s a bonus, it’s the drastically higher chance of drawing the featured 5* crew.

    So, just to get this straight, you’re saying the chance of the featured 5* dropping in the event pack is much more than the chance of any 5* dropping in any other pack?

    If so, I’m stunned and I can’t believe I didn’t know that before. That would have changed quite a few of my purchasing decisions...

    The confusion comes from the guaranteed 4*/5* drop in ten-packs - 1.27% is the standard drop rate for a 5* in a single pack and in the non-guaranteed slots in a ten-pack. As far as I can remember we have nothing official on the chances for that guaranteed slot but the 45/45/10 breakdown (or 45/45/5/5 for re-run events) seems to hold true.
  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How much does running the wheel cost?

    gratrhszrf1d.png

    Here’s a link to the relevant section of the Wiki:

    https://stt.wiki/wiki/Time_Portal#Dabo_Wheel
    🖖

    So, using the ad warp for the final spin, and with the half price sale, that’s around 5,750 dilithium if I’m doing my math correctly.

    I think if you really want that specific legendary, it might be worth it. Packs are a crapshoot, and I’ve spent almost that much trying to get a crew and had absolutely nothing to show for it.

    Plus, if the SRs are a) ones you need and b) not in packs, it becomes an even better deal.

    I could see doing it under the right circumstances if there was a 50% sale going on. Probably never pay full price though, but that’s just me. Getting a legend you really want + 2 SRs not in the portal...I’ve spent more and gotten less, lol.

    I’ve run the wheel a few times. Last time was during the last half price Dabo sale. I got Imprinted Archer for what? About 6000 dilithium? Not yet in the portal and considering 5*’s are 15000 in the faction store, and also considering how earlier I mentioned spending 26000 to get Talas.....

  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    So, using the ad warp for the final spin, and with the half price sale, that’s around 5,750 dilithium if I’m doing my math correctly.
    I’ve run the wheel a few times. Last time was during the last half price Dabo sale. I got Imprinted Archer for what? About 6000 dilithium? Not yet in the portal and considering 5*’s are 15000 in the faction store, and also considering how earlier I mentioned spending 26000 to get Talas.....

    I didn't keep track of my exact starting stash, but I was thinking it was 6 or 7k dilithium that I spent... however, looking at the chart, I guess it had to have been 5745 dil. Going for Kira was a little silly, perhaps, but I have no regrets for getting Decker. That face is so classic, it's my new in-game avatar. It also mirrors my reaction on those occasions when I go 0-for-5 in the Gauntlet. ;)

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    Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
    ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    How much does running the wheel cost?

    gratrhszrf1d.png

    Here’s a link to the relevant section of the Wiki:

    https://stt.wiki/wiki/Time_Portal#Dabo_Wheel
    🖖

    So, using the ad warp for the final spin, and with the half price sale, that’s around 5,750 dilithium if I’m doing my math correctly.

    I think if you really want that specific legendary, it might be worth it. Packs are a crapshoot, and I’ve spent almost that much trying to get a crew and had absolutely nothing to show for it.

    Plus, if the SRs are a) ones you need and b) not in packs, it becomes an even better deal.

    I could see doing it under the right circumstances if there was a 50% sale going on. Probably never pay full price though, but that’s just me. Getting a legend you really want + 2 SRs not in the portal...I’ve spent more and gotten less, lol.

    If you think about the guaranteed legendary 6500 pack, it doesn't seem crazy. You lose the potential for the other 7 crew, but if you want the guarantee of the specific 5* and the other two 4* I can see making the decision. It's certainly a better use of DIL than going for first in gauntlet.
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