It would very much depend on the drop rates of any 5 star crew added to Voyage loot tables.
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Well, for everyone who was saying they want tier ten crew to be left in the portal, im dying to hear about how many “unsung heroes” packs you bought...
It actually does and that is true of anything. Diamonds. Fossils. Intelligent Life. The Gutenberg Bible.
Rare things ARE more valuable because they are hard to get.
This forum loves to argue about silly things.
Almost all of these things are still valuable once you own them, because you can turn them into money.
I don't see the value of a tier 10 legendary once you own it. If they introduced a game feature that allows you to trade them for begolds or citations or somehow use them to farm those things, then yes, then they would become valuable.
But if they should just become harder to obtain, I would finally break my "don't-airlock-legendaries" rule and send them all into the void.
For the 550 honor?
We both agree that it would be great to add them to voyages, but I think that they should at least have the same drop chances as they do from the portal, if they're removed from it.
550 honor is great for some players, but for those who already have some of these cards at 2/5* or 3/5*, making them even harder to obtain while not increasing their usefulness would be very frustrating.
Well, for everyone who was saying they want tier ten crew to be left in the portal, im dying to hear about how many “unsung heroes” packs you bought...
For the 550 honor?
We both agree that it would be great to add them to voyages, but I think that they should at least have the same drop chances as they do from the portal, if they're removed from it.
550 honor is great for some players, but for those who already have some of these cards at 2/5* or 3/5*, making them even harder to obtain while not increasing their usefulness would be very frustrating.
If it was me, and my begold choice was a shinzon, a general chang or a mugato, and I did not already have one:
Odds are, i would make the selection randomly and then airlock whoever i picked out. I dont have room for crew members that cant outperform newly released 4* crew that are sitting in the freezer.
If i had the same begold choice and i had those crew at 3/5, 0/5, and 0/5:
Then it wouldn’t matter who i picked because that would mean that lucifer is running the show now. I would never waste resources building such paltry crew.
The most common scenario would be a begold with two tier 9 or 10 crew, and one that was tier 6 or better. I would choose the tier 6 every time, hands down regardless of stars.
I would imagine that people who are completely free to play have even less crew slots than i do, and assuming that they consult the same online resources that i do, They might be inclined to airlock as well. In my opinion, a crew slot will be more valuable than a junky tier ten 1/5 in practically every case.
If there was a small pool of these junky tier tens in the voyage drop pool, i might be inclined to keep them because if the legendaries in the voyage drop pool was kept to 20 or less, there is a 1/20 chance of getting copies of that legendary vs the 1/400? In the regular portal. I am highly doubtful that i would have the patience to keep a 1/5 tier ten on my roster for the sole purpose of “hoping” to get more copies from portal pulls.
Let me toss this scenario out there, you have shinzon at 4/5, mugato at 0/5 and merry men troi at 0/5. Are you seriously arguing that you would take shinzon? I would certainly hope not. If i found myself in that scenario and desperately needed crew space, i would have zero issues with taking troi and ejecting my 4/5 shinzon to make the room.
Well, for everyone who was saying they want tier ten crew to be left in the portal, im dying to hear about how many “unsung heroes” packs you bought...
For the 550 honor?
We both agree that it would be great to add them to voyages, but I think that they should at least have the same drop chances as they do from the portal, if they're removed from it.
550 honor is great for some players, but for those who already have some of these cards at 2/5* or 3/5*, making them even harder to obtain while not increasing their usefulness would be very frustrating.
If it was me, and my begold choice was a shinzon, a general chang or a mugato, and I did not already have one:
Odds are, i would make the selection randomly and then airlock whoever i picked out. I dont have room for crew members that cant outperform newly released 4* crew that are sitting in the freezer.
If i had the same begold choice and i had those crew at 3/5, 0/5, and 0/5:
Then it wouldn’t matter who i picked because that would mean that lucifer is running the show now. I would never waste resources building such paltry crew.
The most common scenario would be a begold with two tier 9 or 10 crew, and one that was tier 6 or better. I would choose the tier 6 every time, hands down regardless of stars.
I would imagine that people who are completely free to play have even less crew slots than i do, and assuming that they consult the same online resources that i do, They might be inclined to airlock as well. In my opinion, a crew slot will be more valuable than a junky tier ten 1/5 in practically every case.
If there was a small pool of these junky tier tens in the voyage drop pool, i might be inclined to keep them because if the legendaries in the voyage drop pool was kept to 20 or less, there is a 1/20 chance of getting copies of that legendary vs the 1/400? In the regular portal. I am highly doubtful that i would have the patience to keep a 1/5 tier ten on my roster for the sole purpose of “hoping” to get more copies from portal pulls.
Let me toss this scenario out there, you have shinzon at 4/5, mugato at 0/5 and merry men troi at 0/5. Are you seriously arguing that you would take shinzon? I would certainly hope not. If i found myself in that scenario and desperately needed crew space, i would have zero issues with taking troi and ejecting my 4/5 shinzon to make the room.
I tend to agree with you.
Personally, I have plenty of crew slots and lots of 1/5* that I accumulated over the years, most of which are FE because at some point they were bonus crew in some event (or I needed to level someone up to get the dailies done). I'm also more focused on collecting crew that I like than on improving my gameplay, in part because I've always had a tendency to do that and in part because at this point having a stronger crew won't really matter that much for me.
I don't have to airlock legendaries, which is why I don't do it.
But apart from the way I play Timelines and make behold choices, I agree that having these legendaries in voyages probably wouldn't be a disadvantage for anyone, even if they were removed from the portal.
Enterprise E Picard might be of some use to a new player, but if he and other decrepit legendaries were removed from the portal, that would also create better chances of obtaining a version of Picard that is really useful.
The only thing I care about is that whatever changes are made won't make it more difficult to obtain this crew. Mostly because I'd like to immortalize them if I get the chance, especially since I won't use citations on them.
As for your begold question, Merry Men Troi is near the top of my wishlist, so I would pick her over almost anyone. But if that was a Phoenix Cochrane 4/5, Mugato 0/5 and some random tier 6 crew begold, I would probably pick Cochrane. Not sure if that is relevant to the discussion though
Well, for everyone who was saying they want tier ten crew to be left in the portal, im dying to hear about how many “unsung heroes” packs you bought...
For the 550 honor?
We both agree that it would be great to add them to voyages, but I think that they should at least have the same drop chances as they do from the portal, if they're removed from it.
550 honor is great for some players, but for those who already have some of these cards at 2/5* or 3/5*, making them even harder to obtain while not increasing their usefulness would be very frustrating.
If it was me, and my begold choice was a shinzon, a general chang or a mugato, and I did not already have one:
Odds are, i would make the selection randomly and then airlock whoever i picked out. I dont have room for crew members that cant outperform newly released 4* crew that are sitting in the freezer.
If i had the same begold choice and i had those crew at 3/5, 0/5, and 0/5:
Then it wouldn’t matter who i picked because that would mean that lucifer is running the show now. I would never waste resources building such paltry crew.
The most common scenario would be a begold with two tier 9 or 10 crew, and one that was tier 6 or better. I would choose the tier 6 every time, hands down regardless of stars.
I would imagine that people who are completely free to play have even less crew slots than i do, and assuming that they consult the same online resources that i do, They might be inclined to airlock as well. In my opinion, a crew slot will be more valuable than a junky tier ten 1/5 in practically every case.
If there was a small pool of these junky tier tens in the voyage drop pool, i might be inclined to keep them because if the legendaries in the voyage drop pool was kept to 20 or less, there is a 1/20 chance of getting copies of that legendary vs the 1/400? In the regular portal. I am highly doubtful that i would have the patience to keep a 1/5 tier ten on my roster for the sole purpose of “hoping” to get more copies from portal pulls.
Let me toss this scenario out there, you have shinzon at 4/5, mugato at 0/5 and merry men troi at 0/5. Are you seriously arguing that you would take shinzon? I would certainly hope not. If i found myself in that scenario and desperately needed crew space, i would have zero issues with taking troi and ejecting my 4/5 shinzon to make the room.
As a TOS fanatic, I never could bring myself to airlock any of the 4 Mugatos I’ve gotten. If I got a behold with a 5th Mugato, 1st Shinzon, or 1st Merry Men Troi, I would need to take a closer look at Troi’s VORP as compared to my existing MED/DIP, MED/COM, and MED/x/COM crew versus the opportunity to free up a crew slot, increase my immortalization count, and possibly have a leg up in a future monsters/creatures collection. On VORP alone, I probably would take the Mugato because that crew slot would be more valuable than a few extra minutes on every tenth voyage I send.
Well, for everyone who was saying they want tier ten crew to be left in the portal, im dying to hear about how many “unsung heroes” packs you bought...
For the 550 honor?
We both agree that it would be great to add them to voyages, but I think that they should at least have the same drop chances as they do from the portal, if they're removed from it.
550 honor is great for some players, but for those who already have some of these cards at 2/5* or 3/5*, making them even harder to obtain while not increasing their usefulness would be very frustrating.
If it was me, and my begold choice was a shinzon, a general chang or a mugato, and I did not already have one:
Odds are, i would make the selection randomly and then airlock whoever i picked out. I dont have room for crew members that cant outperform newly released 4* crew that are sitting in the freezer.
If i had the same begold choice and i had those crew at 3/5, 0/5, and 0/5:
Then it wouldn’t matter who i picked because that would mean that lucifer is running the show now. I would never waste resources building such paltry crew.
The most common scenario would be a begold with two tier 9 or 10 crew, and one that was tier 6 or better. I would choose the tier 6 every time, hands down regardless of stars.
I would imagine that people who are completely free to play have even less crew slots than i do, and assuming that they consult the same online resources that i do, They might be inclined to airlock as well. In my opinion, a crew slot will be more valuable than a junky tier ten 1/5 in practically every case.
If there was a small pool of these junky tier tens in the voyage drop pool, i might be inclined to keep them because if the legendaries in the voyage drop pool was kept to 20 or less, there is a 1/20 chance of getting copies of that legendary vs the 1/400? In the regular portal. I am highly doubtful that i would have the patience to keep a 1/5 tier ten on my roster for the sole purpose of “hoping” to get more copies from portal pulls.
Let me toss this scenario out there, you have shinzon at 4/5, mugato at 0/5 and merry men troi at 0/5. Are you seriously arguing that you would take shinzon? I would certainly hope not. If i found myself in that scenario and desperately needed crew space, i would have zero issues with taking troi and ejecting my 4/5 shinzon to make the room.
As a TOS fanatic, I never could bring myself to airlock any of the 4 Mugatos I’ve gotten. If I got a behold with a 5th Mugato, 1st Shinzon, or 1st Merry Men Troi, I would need to take a closer look at Troi’s VORP as compared to my existing MED/DIP, MED/COM, and MED/x/COM crew versus the opportunity to free up a crew slot, increase my immortalization count, and possibly have a leg up in a future monsters/creatures collection. On VORP alone, I probably would take the Mugato because that crew slot would be more valuable than a few extra minutes on every tenth voyage I send.
I can certainly understand the “collection” standpoint and being a fan of a particular character. I could even understand choosing one over another, better, option.
What i dont understand is why there are some people who aren’t following what i believe to be some simple logic:
Scenario:
Tier 10 (or old crew, whatever term you want to use) are removed from portal.
Those crew are added to voyage reward pools (whether through dilemmas, random drops, or some combo)
In practice:
Your begold options are now more likely to be better crew.
Better crew = longer voyages.
Longer voyages = More rewards
More rewards = more tier ten legendaries
For newer players, who extend voyages with dilithium or tokens, they can now acquire some legendaries (for cheap) that they can either build to help out with galaxy map completion or modest gains in roster strength, or they can eject them for a nice chunk of honor that will help build other crew.
For me, honor was a huge bottleneck in the early game.
Now, as far as collectors go, if you are in it for the long haul, then you are already running long voyages constantly. That means you would be able to collect these tier tens significantly easier than you can at present.
And finally, a quick word about game longevity. For this game to flourish, it needs three things to consistently improve:
Recruitment of new players
Retention of current players
Reactivation of players who have departed or have quit spending money
The proposal to essentially demonetize the acquisition of sub par legendaries enhances those three areas in the following ways:
Recruitment:
Newer players can get “gold” crew easier or have more honor to spend on other crew they are building. This will take a small chunk out of the growing pains of the early game, thus creating a more inviting environment for newbies to join the ranks and start building up a strong foundation on which to become more competitive in events. Newer players would be able to recognize the value of having a strong voyage crew quicker, and potentially prioritize the development of this farming mechanism.
Retention:
Current players would undoubtedly benefit from the increased honor availability for crew building, or from the cheaper methods of crew collection that wont come at the expense of further strengthening their rosters.
Reactivation:
Players who have grown tired of the current mechanics of voyages or of the diminishing returns in portal pulls may be more tempted to spend money on portals if the odds of getting “bottom barrel” crew from a 650 dilithium pack were reduced. They also may enjoy the enhanced reward structure in voyages and be encouraged by the ability to improve their crews marginally faster.
you could also add re-rolls to the 5* and 4* triple selection as I am now finding that I have all three which is frustrating....possibly a merit or credit cost to do so.
Well, for everyone who was saying they want tier ten crew to be left in the portal, im dying to hear about how many “unsung heroes” packs you bought...
For the 550 honor?
We both agree that it would be great to add them to voyages, but I think that they should at least have the same drop chances as they do from the portal, if they're removed from it.
550 honor is great for some players, but for those who already have some of these cards at 2/5* or 3/5*, making them even harder to obtain while not increasing their usefulness would be very frustrating.
If it was me, and my begold choice was a shinzon, a general chang or a mugato, and I did not already have one:
Odds are, i would make the selection randomly and then airlock whoever i picked out. I dont have room for crew members that cant outperform newly released 4* crew that are sitting in the freezer.
If i had the same begold choice and i had those crew at 3/5, 0/5, and 0/5:
Then it wouldn’t matter who i picked because that would mean that lucifer is running the show now. I would never waste resources building such paltry crew.
The most common scenario would be a begold with two tier 9 or 10 crew, and one that was tier 6 or better. I would choose the tier 6 every time, hands down regardless of stars.
I would imagine that people who are completely free to play have even less crew slots than i do, and assuming that they consult the same online resources that i do, They might be inclined to airlock as well. In my opinion, a crew slot will be more valuable than a junky tier ten 1/5 in practically every case.
If there was a small pool of these junky tier tens in the voyage drop pool, i might be inclined to keep them because if the legendaries in the voyage drop pool was kept to 20 or less, there is a 1/20 chance of getting copies of that legendary vs the 1/400? In the regular portal. I am highly doubtful that i would have the patience to keep a 1/5 tier ten on my roster for the sole purpose of “hoping” to get more copies from portal pulls.
Let me toss this scenario out there, you have shinzon at 4/5, mugato at 0/5 and merry men troi at 0/5. Are you seriously arguing that you would take shinzon? I would certainly hope not. If i found myself in that scenario and desperately needed crew space, i would have zero issues with taking troi and ejecting my 4/5 shinzon to make the room.
As a TOS fanatic, I never could bring myself to airlock any of the 4 Mugatos I’ve gotten. If I got a behold with a 5th Mugato, 1st Shinzon, or 1st Merry Men Troi, I would need to take a closer look at Troi’s VORP as compared to my existing MED/DIP, MED/COM, and MED/x/COM crew versus the opportunity to free up a crew slot, increase my immortalization count, and possibly have a leg up in a future monsters/creatures collection. On VORP alone, I probably would take the Mugato because that crew slot would be more valuable than a few extra minutes on every tenth voyage I send.
I can certainly understand the “collection” standpoint and being a fan of a particular character. I could even understand choosing one over another, better, option.
What i dont understand is why there are some people who aren’t following what i believe to be some simple logic:
Scenario:
Tier 10 (or old crew, whatever term you want to use) are removed from portal.
Those crew are added to voyage reward pools (whether through dilemmas, random drops, or some combo)
In practice:
Your begold options are now more likely to be better crew.
Better crew = longer voyages.
Longer voyages = More rewards
More rewards = more tier ten legendaries
For newer players, who extend voyages with dilithium or tokens, they can now acquire some legendaries (for cheap) that they can either build to help out with galaxy map completion or modest gains in roster strength, or they can eject them for a nice chunk of honor that will help build other crew.
For me, honor was a huge bottleneck in the early game.
Now, as far as collectors go, if you are in it for the long haul, then you are already running long voyages constantly. That means you would be able to collect these tier tens significantly easier than you can at present.
And finally, a quick word about game longevity. For this game to flourish, it needs three things to consistently improve:
Recruitment of new players
Retention of current players
Reactivation of players who have departed or have quit spending money
The proposal to essentially demonetize the acquisition of sub par legendaries enhances those three areas in the following ways:
Recruitment:
Newer players can get “gold” crew easier or have more honor to spend on other crew they are building. This will take a small chunk out of the growing pains of the early game, thus creating a more inviting environment for newbies to join the ranks and start building up a strong foundation on which to become more competitive in events. Newer players would be able to recognize the value of having a strong voyage crew quicker, and potentially prioritize the development of this farming mechanism.
Retention:
Current players would undoubtedly benefit from the increased honor availability for crew building, or from the cheaper methods of crew collection that wont come at the expense of further strengthening their rosters.
Reactivation:
Players who have grown tired of the current mechanics of voyages or of the diminishing returns in portal pulls may be more tempted to spend money on portals if the odds of getting “bottom barrel” crew from a 650 dilithium pack were reduced. They also may enjoy the enhanced reward structure in voyages and be encouraged by the ability to improve their crews marginally faster.
I agree with everything you wrote.
There was a discussion about whether adding these legendarie to voyages and removing them from the portal would make them more difficult to obtain. That might be true for new(ish) players, but those same players would get the advantage of better crew dropping from packs.
Whether it would be true for long-time players too, depends on when they would start to drop and what their drop rates would be.
But I think that the chances of obtaining one of them shouldn't get worse if this change is made. That is, a 1% drop chance after 10 hours might be too low. On the other hand, a 10% drop chance after 8 hours would probably create imbalances between players as some have mentioned.
It all depends on how it's implemented and on how many legendaries would be added to the decrepit pool.
I still think that ideally they shouldn't only be available in voyages, so if a new player wants one of them they can try to get them out of decrepit packs, or faction centers, or the gauntlet, or somewhere else.
Put them as a free card for consecutive play....eg 50 unbroken days play etc, or as temporary achievements each week gor performing vertain criteria a la bones mccoy
Two things they could do, make the old legendaries more available, or increase their stats or traits to make them more desired. Think how many $10 deals and packs TP could sell if they increased the stats of one of these old legendaries and re-released them. It would be fun and TP could even announce ahead of time which card or cards will see improvement and give something for people to look forward to.
I don't see why they should be removed from portal. Most of the crew available in voyages is also available in portal. The only exception are a few voyage exclusives. I'm not sure what making more voyage exclusives would accomplish here. Removing old golds from portal would actually make them LESS relevant, since only old accounts will be able to get them, and by that time they'd probably be redundant for them. It'd also mean newer golds are easier obtainable via portal. What it would result in is basically even less chance to get old golds and more to get new ones. So again, making old ones LESS relevant.
So absolutely YES to adding them to voyages, but definitely NO for removing them from portal.
Yes, at this point some of the 5* even FF/FE are worse then a decent 4/4. Tbh they are just meh. Even for new players, they are pure and simple a waste of crew slots at this point. Eider buff them or accept it that they are just good for honor.
Remove older, weaker cards from the premium and event portals but put them in the faction stores, perhaps one or two five star cards per store but at 1000-1500 dil. This allows collectors like me to keep playing and buying. It also lessens the pool dilution giving bigger spenders a reason to buy without the chance of getting a crappy card or a begold with all frozen crew. It gives new players a better chance at better newer cards and also a way for anyone to buy older favorite characters they might not normally buy because the 15000 cost for any card much less a weak one is so nonsensical.
Two things they could do, make the old legendaries more available, or increase their stats or traits to make them more desired. Think how many $10 deals and packs TP could sell if they increased the stats of one of these old legendaries and re-released them. It would be fun and TP could even announce ahead of time which card or cards will see improvement and give something for people to look forward to.
Interesting point. It could also make those old Flashbacks more likeable if the crew got pimped. This could make the event before the flashback more competitive. Also the Flashback event pack sales would for sure benefit from improved stats.
What they needed was some sort of factor to apply to the stats as to my understanding they are currently a result of the eqipment which should remain unchanged.
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Two things they could do, make the old legendaries more available, or increase their stats or traits to make them more desired. Think how many $10 deals and packs TP could sell if they increased the stats of one of these old legendaries and re-released them. It would be fun and TP could even announce ahead of time which card or cards will see improvement and give something for people to look forward to.
Interesting point. It could also make those old Flashbacks more likeable if the crew got pimped. This could make the event before the flashback more competitive. Also the Flashback event pack sales would for sure benefit from improved stats.
What they needed was some sort of factor to apply to the stats as to my understanding they are currently a result of the eqipment which should remain unchanged.
A good point. Maybe they could just boost the final equipment or change one of the items to something else that is unique and as such can have big stats without affecting the rest of the game crew. I have thought it would be cool to re-release old crew in a pack or event to coincide with an anniversary of when it came into the game. Like a card from Feb. 2018 could get a boost and re-release in Feb. 2021. Sell lots of packs and give long term players something to look forward to like the birthday beholds.
I like the idea of taking the crappy 5* crew and putting them somewhere else, but a 10 hour voyage isn't it. It's such a terrible reward for building a godly enough crew to get to 10 hours.
I like the previously mentioned alternative of having a separate, cheaper portal pull for obsolete characters, and even then maybe everyone should just start the game with Captain Scott in their freezer.
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It actually does and that is true of anything. Diamonds. Fossils. Intelligent Life. The Gutenberg Bible.
Rare things ARE more valuable because they are hard to get.
This forum loves to argue about silly things.
Almost all of these things are still valuable once you own them, because you can turn them into money.
I don't see the value of a tier 10 legendary once you own it. If they introduced a game feature that allows you to trade them for begolds or citations or somehow use them to farm those things, then yes, then they would become valuable.
But if they should just become harder to obtain, I would finally break my "don't-airlock-legendaries" rule and send them all into the void.
We both agree that it would be great to add them to voyages, but I think that they should at least have the same drop chances as they do from the portal, if they're removed from it.
550 honor is great for some players, but for those who already have some of these cards at 2/5* or 3/5*, making them even harder to obtain while not increasing their usefulness would be very frustrating.
If it was me, and my begold choice was a shinzon, a general chang or a mugato, and I did not already have one:
Odds are, i would make the selection randomly and then airlock whoever i picked out. I dont have room for crew members that cant outperform newly released 4* crew that are sitting in the freezer.
If i had the same begold choice and i had those crew at 3/5, 0/5, and 0/5:
Then it wouldn’t matter who i picked because that would mean that lucifer is running the show now. I would never waste resources building such paltry crew.
The most common scenario would be a begold with two tier 9 or 10 crew, and one that was tier 6 or better. I would choose the tier 6 every time, hands down regardless of stars.
I would imagine that people who are completely free to play have even less crew slots than i do, and assuming that they consult the same online resources that i do, They might be inclined to airlock as well. In my opinion, a crew slot will be more valuable than a junky tier ten 1/5 in practically every case.
If there was a small pool of these junky tier tens in the voyage drop pool, i might be inclined to keep them because if the legendaries in the voyage drop pool was kept to 20 or less, there is a 1/20 chance of getting copies of that legendary vs the 1/400? In the regular portal. I am highly doubtful that i would have the patience to keep a 1/5 tier ten on my roster for the sole purpose of “hoping” to get more copies from portal pulls.
Let me toss this scenario out there, you have shinzon at 4/5, mugato at 0/5 and merry men troi at 0/5. Are you seriously arguing that you would take shinzon? I would certainly hope not. If i found myself in that scenario and desperately needed crew space, i would have zero issues with taking troi and ejecting my 4/5 shinzon to make the room.
I tend to agree with you.
Personally, I have plenty of crew slots and lots of 1/5* that I accumulated over the years, most of which are FE because at some point they were bonus crew in some event (or I needed to level someone up to get the dailies done). I'm also more focused on collecting crew that I like than on improving my gameplay, in part because I've always had a tendency to do that and in part because at this point having a stronger crew won't really matter that much for me.
I don't have to airlock legendaries, which is why I don't do it.
But apart from the way I play Timelines and make behold choices, I agree that having these legendaries in voyages probably wouldn't be a disadvantage for anyone, even if they were removed from the portal.
Enterprise E Picard might be of some use to a new player, but if he and other decrepit legendaries were removed from the portal, that would also create better chances of obtaining a version of Picard that is really useful.
The only thing I care about is that whatever changes are made won't make it more difficult to obtain this crew. Mostly because I'd like to immortalize them if I get the chance, especially since I won't use citations on them.
As for your begold question, Merry Men Troi is near the top of my wishlist, so I would pick her over almost anyone. But if that was a Phoenix Cochrane 4/5, Mugato 0/5 and some random tier 6 crew begold, I would probably pick Cochrane. Not sure if that is relevant to the discussion though
As a TOS fanatic, I never could bring myself to airlock any of the 4 Mugatos I’ve gotten. If I got a behold with a 5th Mugato, 1st Shinzon, or 1st Merry Men Troi, I would need to take a closer look at Troi’s VORP as compared to my existing MED/DIP, MED/COM, and MED/x/COM crew versus the opportunity to free up a crew slot, increase my immortalization count, and possibly have a leg up in a future monsters/creatures collection. On VORP alone, I probably would take the Mugato because that crew slot would be more valuable than a few extra minutes on every tenth voyage I send.
I can certainly understand the “collection” standpoint and being a fan of a particular character. I could even understand choosing one over another, better, option.
What i dont understand is why there are some people who aren’t following what i believe to be some simple logic:
Scenario:
Tier 10 (or old crew, whatever term you want to use) are removed from portal.
Those crew are added to voyage reward pools (whether through dilemmas, random drops, or some combo)
In practice:
Your begold options are now more likely to be better crew.
Better crew = longer voyages.
Longer voyages = More rewards
More rewards = more tier ten legendaries
For newer players, who extend voyages with dilithium or tokens, they can now acquire some legendaries (for cheap) that they can either build to help out with galaxy map completion or modest gains in roster strength, or they can eject them for a nice chunk of honor that will help build other crew.
For me, honor was a huge bottleneck in the early game.
Now, as far as collectors go, if you are in it for the long haul, then you are already running long voyages constantly. That means you would be able to collect these tier tens significantly easier than you can at present.
And finally, a quick word about game longevity. For this game to flourish, it needs three things to consistently improve:
Recruitment of new players
Retention of current players
Reactivation of players who have departed or have quit spending money
The proposal to essentially demonetize the acquisition of sub par legendaries enhances those three areas in the following ways:
Recruitment:
Newer players can get “gold” crew easier or have more honor to spend on other crew they are building. This will take a small chunk out of the growing pains of the early game, thus creating a more inviting environment for newbies to join the ranks and start building up a strong foundation on which to become more competitive in events. Newer players would be able to recognize the value of having a strong voyage crew quicker, and potentially prioritize the development of this farming mechanism.
Retention:
Current players would undoubtedly benefit from the increased honor availability for crew building, or from the cheaper methods of crew collection that wont come at the expense of further strengthening their rosters.
Reactivation:
Players who have grown tired of the current mechanics of voyages or of the diminishing returns in portal pulls may be more tempted to spend money on portals if the odds of getting “bottom barrel” crew from a 650 dilithium pack were reduced. They also may enjoy the enhanced reward structure in voyages and be encouraged by the ability to improve their crews marginally faster.
I agree with everything you wrote.
There was a discussion about whether adding these legendarie to voyages and removing them from the portal would make them more difficult to obtain. That might be true for new(ish) players, but those same players would get the advantage of better crew dropping from packs.
Whether it would be true for long-time players too, depends on when they would start to drop and what their drop rates would be.
But I think that the chances of obtaining one of them shouldn't get worse if this change is made. That is, a 1% drop chance after 10 hours might be too low. On the other hand, a 10% drop chance after 8 hours would probably create imbalances between players as some have mentioned.
It all depends on how it's implemented and on how many legendaries would be added to the decrepit pool.
I still think that ideally they shouldn't only be available in voyages, so if a new player wants one of them they can try to get them out of decrepit packs, or faction centers, or the gauntlet, or somewhere else.
maybe even get a skill buff
Id be cool with that. Would make getting these old crew in a behold less of an insult.
yup i've been petitioning for such changes for ages
So absolutely YES to adding them to voyages, but definitely NO for removing them from portal.
Interesting point. It could also make those old Flashbacks more likeable if the crew got pimped. This could make the event before the flashback more competitive. Also the Flashback event pack sales would for sure benefit from improved stats.
What they needed was some sort of factor to apply to the stats as to my understanding they are currently a result of the eqipment which should remain unchanged.
A good point. Maybe they could just boost the final equipment or change one of the items to something else that is unique and as such can have big stats without affecting the rest of the game crew. I have thought it would be cool to re-release old crew in a pack or event to coincide with an anniversary of when it came into the game. Like a card from Feb. 2018 could get a boost and re-release in Feb. 2021. Sell lots of packs and give long term players something to look forward to like the birthday beholds.
I like the previously mentioned alternative of having a separate, cheaper portal pull for obsolete characters, and even then maybe everyone should just start the game with Captain Scott in their freezer.