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  • Prime LorcaPrime Lorca ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    @Travis S McClain keeps pretty comprehensive records on this type of thing. I would check stats over a longer period of time, rather than draw conclusions based on one week.

    They've been on a recent spree of non-main cast legendaries, though. Travers, Hernandez, Jhamel, Nona, and now Emory Erickson. The last main cast legendary reward for an event was EV Suit T'Pol, right before the ENT mega event.
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  • W.W. CarlisleW.W. Carlisle ✭✭✭✭✭
    You also have to account for the short run of TOS though. It ran for 80 episodes over three seasons, the lowest except TAS with 22 eps. Even Enterprise beat it by 16 eps. There is less to pick from and they have done a lot of it already. Not much choice stuff they can do yet.
    We have three crew just from the Cage! They can't do TOS Mudd. The Cage Pike is likely out too. JtB Sarek and Amanda come to mind and some of the more memorable guest stars, but they didn't really have reoccurring guests like Q, Martok, Seska, Shran, etc. One offs or variants of main cast are all we can get from TOS.
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  • Legate Damar Legate Damar ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plus no license for TOS guest stars.
  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    You also have to account for the short run of TOS though. It ran for 80 episodes over three seasons, the lowest except TAS with 22 eps. Even Enterprise beat it by 16 eps. There is less to pick from and they have done a lot of it already. Not much choice stuff they can do yet.
    We have three crew just from the Cage! They can't do TOS Mudd. The Cage Pike is likely out too. JtB Sarek and Amanda come to mind and some of the more memorable guest stars, but they didn't really have reoccurring guests like Q, Martok, Seska, Shran, etc. One offs or variants of main cast are all we can get from TOS.

    Except that was counting DIS and PIC which have fewer episodes too. Based on episode counts, TOS has 10% of episodes. 10% of episodes and 8% of event legendaries, that's still not making TOS the legendary crew "a lot of the time".
  • *Nomad* {PoF}*Nomad* {PoF} ✭✭✭✭✭
    AviTrek wrote: »
    You also have to account for the short run of TOS though. It ran for 80 episodes over three seasons, the lowest except TAS with 22 eps. Even Enterprise beat it by 16 eps. There is less to pick from and they have done a lot of it already. Not much choice stuff they can do yet.
    We have three crew just from the Cage! They can't do TOS Mudd. The Cage Pike is likely out too. JtB Sarek and Amanda come to mind and some of the more memorable guest stars, but they didn't really have reoccurring guests like Q, Martok, Seska, Shran, etc. One offs or variants of main cast are all we can get from TOS.

    Except that was counting DIS and PIC which have fewer episodes too. Based on episode counts, TOS has 10% of episodes. 10% of episodes and 8% of event legendaries, that's still not making TOS the legendary crew "a lot of the time".

    Here are some TOS guests that would make great new 5* cards....We did get Garth, even though his stats were a bit disappointing, he is great in the arena.

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  • Fajo is not a gold? Thats crazy.

    Who is to say there won't be a 5* version of Kivas Fajo in the future?
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Dirk Gunderson" - I am seriously impressed with your encyclopedic recall of TOS one-offs. Are you sure you don't want to switch to a Spock avatar? ;)

    I'll toss in High Commissioner Ferris and Mr. Boma from Galileo 7 (heck, any of the shuttle crew from that episode) and I still want the native creature from that planet for a potential "Monsters/Creatures" collection.

    It’s my favorite series...and I spent a lot of time as a kid reading, re-reading, and re-re-reading the first edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia, Star Trek Chronology, and several technical manuals. Some things just stick, I guess. :)

    Although I imagine the artwork would be a challenge, The Companion would be a nice one for a prospective Creatures collection as well.
  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Dirk Gunderson" - I am seriously impressed with your encyclopedic recall of TOS one-offs. Are you sure you don't want to switch to a Spock avatar? ;)

    I'll toss in High Commissioner Ferris and Mr. Boma from Galileo 7 (heck, any of the shuttle crew from that episode) and I still want the native creature from that planet for a potential "Monsters/Creatures" collection.

    It’s my favorite series...and I spent a lot of time as a kid reading, re-reading, and re-re-reading the first edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia, Star Trek Chronology, and several technical manuals. Some things just stick, I guess. :)

    Although I imagine the artwork would be a challenge, The Companion would be a nice one for a prospective Creatures collection as well.

    "I've got my own system. Books, young man, books. Thousands of them. If time wasn't so important, I'd show you something. My library. Thousands of books." :)

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    And Samuel T. Cogley would be another great character to include.
  • For all who like Fajo, and have the TNG season box set, going through the special features is worth it. There's an almost complete second set of scenes with Fajo, however, played by a different actor (who tragically died shortly before filming was complete).
  • W.W. CarlisleW.W. Carlisle ✭✭✭✭✭
    You also have to account for the short run of TOS though. It ran for 80 episodes over three seasons, the lowest except TAS with 22 eps. Even Enterprise beat it by 16 eps. There is less to pick from and they have done a lot of it already. Not much choice stuff they can do yet.
    We have three crew just from the Cage! They can't do TOS Mudd. The Cage Pike is likely out too. JtB Sarek and Amanda come to mind and some of the more memorable guest stars, but they didn't really have reoccurring guests like Q, Martok, Seska, Shran, etc. One offs or variants of main cast are all we can get from TOS.

    Sure about that?

    7ihcs6nwwbcq.jpeg
    And we still have a mountain of iconic characters to choose from, even if they are one-offs...just off the top of my head:

    Bele
    Lokai
    Gav
    Sylvia
    Korob
    Flint
    Gary Mitchell
    Balok
    Balok’s false image
    Commodore Mendez
    Polywater Kevin Riley
    Janice Lester
    Dr. Severin
    Vanderberg
    Deela
    any of the Kelvans
    Cordrazine McCoy
    Tree Climber Spock
    Irina (Chekov’s ex)
    Galt
    Shahna
    Uhura’s drill thrall trainer
    The Providers
    Natira
    Sargon/Hengist/Thalassa
    Mr. Atoz
    Roger Korby
    Robert Crater
    Lt. Leslie
    Ensign Garrovick
    Finnegan
    Ben Finney
    Anton and Lenore Karidian
    any of the jerks from Stratos
    Cyrano Jones
    Arne Darvin
    any of the Organians
    Theodore Haskins
    the samurai from the Shore Leave Planet
    Norman
    Simon van Gelder
    Donald Cory
    Areel Shaw
    Commodore Stone
    Landru
    Parmen
    Alexander
    T’Pring
    Anan 7
    Bela Oxmyx
    Jojo Krako
    John Gill
    Tyree
    Captain Ronald Tracy
    Elaan
    Commander Loskene
    EV Suit Kirk (plus others in those suits that looked like electric razors)

    And if we extend it to the TOS films:

    Sonak
    Preston
    EV Suit Spock
    other EV Suit Kirk
    Mr. Adventure
    that giant Starfleet Security dude
    Admiral Morrow
    Bus Punk
    Maltz
    St. John Talbot
    Korrd
    Caithlin Dar
    Sybok’s lieutenant
    Azetbur
    not-a-Trill Dax
    Hungover Chekov
    Colonel West
    Nanclus
    Ambassador Kamarag

    I’m sure there are more, but I’m sure WRG could fill an entire year solid of nothing but TOS legendaries (which would ruin me financially :) ) and still have leftover crew...I mean, I didn’t even list any TAS characters like M’Ress, Stavos Keniclius, Spock Two, or several others.

    Hmmm, I forgot about that one. I don't have him, so he didn't spring to mind. I'd have thought there would be a license issue for him. He died while the show was still on the air and his widow was convinced sci-fi was beneath him. I guess his heirs have better sense.
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  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    Erickson is a pretty solid ENG/SCI voyager thanks to those strong proficiencies.
  • robownage wrote: »
    Erickson is a pretty solid ENG/SCI voyager thanks to those strong proficiencies.

    Yeah, I was really worried he's end up as an ENG/SCI two skiller, but he looks great.
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  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    I haven't looked at the numbers, but he seems comparable to mutant Barkley.
  • edited September 2020
    Fajo is not a gold? Thats crazy.

    But there are ppl like myself, who couldn t care less about Fajo. 🤗🙈

    Same, this is the second event in a row im not going to bother with. Nothing in the last two interest me and its not like ive top crew or anything just have zero interest in Luaxana Troi or the chap in this one.
    Fajo is not a gold? Thats crazy.

    But there are ppl like myself, who couldn t care less about Fajo. 🤗🙈

    Do you not like TNG? The writers of TNG did such a great job creating memorable characters.

    I love TNG, first show I watched when it was shown in Ireland in the early 90's. Doesn't mean we have to like this character who expect being a thief had nothing going for him.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is "Rich" a new Trait?
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • Is "Rich" a new Trait?

    Ishka and Zek have it.
  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    robownage wrote: »
    Erickson is a pretty solid ENG/SCI voyager thanks to those strong proficiencies.

    The strong secondary is interesting. His primary ENG is good but not really notable. That SCI secondary pushes him up to #2 ENG/SCI and #54 overall. But future event potential is low. So using cites would be only for ENG/SCI voyages.
  • I wish Emory was the solo reward and not Kivas.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is "Rich" a new Trait?

    Ishka and Zek have it.

    Thanx.
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    You also have to account for the short run of TOS though. It ran for 80 episodes over three seasons, the lowest except TAS with 22 eps. Even Enterprise beat it by 16 eps. There is less to pick from and they have done a lot of it already. Not much choice stuff they can do yet.
    We have three crew just from the Cage! They can't do TOS Mudd. The Cage Pike is likely out too. JtB Sarek and Amanda come to mind and some of the more memorable guest stars, but they didn't really have reoccurring guests like Q, Martok, Seska, Shran, etc. One offs or variants of main cast are all we can get from TOS.

    Sure about that?

    7ihcs6nwwbcq.jpeg
    And we still have a mountain of iconic characters to choose from, even if they are one-offs...just off the top of my head:

    Bele
    Lokai
    Gav
    Sylvia
    Korob
    Flint
    Gary Mitchell
    Balok
    Balok’s false image
    Commodore Mendez
    Polywater Kevin Riley
    Janice Lester
    Dr. Severin
    Vanderberg
    Deela
    any of the Kelvans
    Cordrazine McCoy
    Tree Climber Spock
    Irina (Chekov’s ex)
    Galt
    Shahna
    Uhura’s drill thrall trainer
    The Providers
    Natira
    Sargon/Hengist/Thalassa
    Mr. Atoz
    Roger Korby
    Robert Crater
    Lt. Leslie
    Ensign Garrovick
    Finnegan
    Ben Finney
    Anton and Lenore Karidian
    any of the jerks from Stratos
    Cyrano Jones
    Arne Darvin
    any of the Organians
    Theodore Haskins
    the samurai from the Shore Leave Planet
    Norman
    Simon van Gelder
    Donald Cory
    Areel Shaw
    Commodore Stone
    Landru
    Parmen
    Alexander
    T’Pring
    Anan 7
    Bela Oxmyx
    Jojo Krako
    John Gill
    Tyree
    Captain Ronald Tracy
    Elaan
    Commander Loskene
    EV Suit Kirk (plus others in those suits that looked like electric razors)

    And if we extend it to the TOS films:

    Sonak
    Preston
    EV Suit Spock
    other EV Suit Kirk
    Mr. Adventure
    that giant Starfleet Security dude
    Admiral Morrow
    Bus Punk
    Maltz
    St. John Talbot
    Korrd
    Caithlin Dar
    Sybok’s lieutenant
    Azetbur
    not-a-Trill Dax
    Hungover Chekov
    Colonel West
    Nanclus
    Ambassador Kamarag

    I’m sure there are more, but I’m sure WRG could fill an entire year solid of nothing but TOS legendaries (which would ruin me financially :) ) and still have leftover crew...I mean, I didn’t even list any TAS characters like M’Ress, Stavos Keniclius, Spock Two, or several others.

    Hmmm, I forgot about that one. I don't have him, so he didn't spring to mind. I'd have thought there would be a license issue for him. He died while the show was still on the air and his widow was convinced sci-fi was beneath him. I guess his heirs have better sense.

    It’s not like there are that many scenes with Jeffrey Hunter’s Pike that we could reasonably expect to get characters from. Maybe from the picnic with Vina or having a drink with Dr. Boyce*? Regardless, I, too, am glad that the family changed its mind about his role in Trek. That gives me hope that the families of Robert Walker and/or Roger C. Carmel will have a similar change of heart in the future.

    *Speaking of crew we could add, Boyce would be another fun one:

    Dr. Philip Boyce - 5*

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    MED/DIP/COM

    Traits: Federation, Starfleet, Human, Physician, Inspiring, Bartender

    Ship ability: “Sometimes a man will tell his bartender things he'll never tell his doctor.”
  • Thot MosesThot Moses ✭✭
    edited September 2020
    @Shan: Kivas Fajo's species (trait) is spelled "Zibalian", not "Zibelian" like in the game.
    https://intl.startrek.com/database_article/zibalians
    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Zibalian
  • eXo | das411eXo | das411 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You also have to account for the short run of TOS though. It ran for 80 episodes over three seasons, the lowest except TAS with 22 eps. Even Enterprise beat it by 16 eps. There is less to pick from and they have done a lot of it already. Not much choice stuff they can do yet.
    We have three crew just from the Cage! They can't do TOS Mudd. The Cage Pike is likely out too. JtB Sarek and Amanda come to mind and some of the more memorable guest stars, but they didn't really have reoccurring guests like Q, Martok, Seska, Shran, etc. One offs or variants of main cast are all we can get from TOS.

    Sure about that?

    7ihcs6nwwbcq.jpeg

    And we still have a mountain of iconic characters to choose from, even if they are one-offs...
    (epic list)
    I’m sure there are more, but I’m sure WRG could fill an entire year solid of nothing but TOS legendaries (which would ruin me financially :) ) and still have leftover crew...I mean, I didn’t even list any TAS characters like M’Ress, Stavos Keniclius, Spock Two, or several others.

    now i know what i've been saving all of my DIL for! :)
  • Fajo is not a gold? Thats crazy.

    Who is to say there won't be a 5* version of Kivas Fajo in the future?

    This is a drum I have been known to beat. It is nearly unheard of for a one-off character to get multiple cards; Kamala is the only real exception I can think of. I suppose the Bynar fusion technically counts, and maybe we can stretch things to include Annorax (even if that's a two-parter). If there are others, please correct me!

    But Fajo clearly has his fans, and that counts for something. I can't recall if he has an outfit switch, but other distinct art is easily made. Perhaps a "Threatening Kivas Fajo" with his disputer, or a "Collector Kivas Fajo" showing off his baseball card.

    Personally, I'd love to see him get the Davenport treatment, although I'm not sure what trait collection would make sense. Most of the ones he has are quite large, or fairly small. Although if we're getting a Mirror collection, a large collection may be possible.
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  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Fajo is not a gold? Thats crazy.

    Who is to say there won't be a 5* version of Kivas Fajo in the future?

    This is a drum I have been known to beat. It is nearly unheard of for a one-off character to get multiple cards; Kamala is the only real exception I can think of. I suppose the Bynar fusion technically counts, and maybe we can stretch things to include Annorax (even if that's a two-parter). If there are others, please correct me!

    But Fajo clearly has his fans, and that counts for something. I can't recall if he has an outfit switch, but other distinct art is easily made. Perhaps a "Threatening Kivas Fajo" with his disputer, or a "Collector Kivas Fajo" showing off his baseball card.

    Personally, I'd love to see him get the Davenport treatment, although I'm not sure what trait collection would make sense. Most of the ones he has are quite large, or fairly small. Although if we're getting a Mirror collection, a large collection may be possible.

    Because you asked for it - it's definitely not common, but there are a few other examples of one-off characters with multiple versions :
    - Craft
    - Ilia
    - Lily Sloane

    There are also quite a few who probably have more versions than are justified for their screen time (Vina, Number One, the Klingon TOS/DS9 trio, Cochrane, Leah Brahms, Mayweather).

    Moral of the story: gimme a 5* Kivas Fajo.
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