Let's celebrate by pretending the new Picard series never existed!
Perhaps you should, given the new series seem to live rent-free in your head.
I, like plenty of others, am very glad it does exist.
Why, though? Like, honestly, what in it was actually good? Open to any redeeming qualities, really.
Picard season 1 did have some serious issues but it did expand the Romulan culture which was awesome and it did establish the characters and set us up for season 2 with a new showrunner. Hoping season 2 is very good.
Let's celebrate by pretending the new Picard series never existed!
Perhaps you should, given the new series seem to live rent-free in your head.
I, like plenty of others, am very glad it does exist.
Why, though? Like, honestly, what in it was actually good? Open to any redeeming qualities, really.
Picard season 1 did have some serious issues but it did expand the Romulan culture which was awesome and it did establish the characters and set us up for season 2 with a new showrunner. Hoping season 2 is very good.
I agree! There were a few moments that I didn’t like, and some I really didn’t like! But there were also a lot of awesome moments and great nostalgic memories
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Let's celebrate by pretending the new Picard series never existed!
Perhaps you should, given the new series seem to live rent-free in your head.
I, like plenty of others, am very glad it does exist.
Why, though? Like, honestly, what in it was actually good? Open to any redeeming qualities, really.
It's going to be inherently subjective. I liked many of the characters and found there to be a number of enjoyable character moments. To take just one episode, Broken Pieces, there was the scene with the Rios holos, Picard speaking about Data and Seven's moment as Borg - all memorable, enjoyable moments. As another, Nepenthe even got me to like Riker and Troi, which is more than most of TNG managed.
First off, flooding a series with nostalgic moments doesn't mean it's great - it means quite the opposite, actually - that you can't come up with anything clever on your own. It's the trademark style of JJ Abrams and his disciples, who are also famous for the "start off by making everything super-sized and add a bunch of mysteries that end up going nowhere."
To address multiple responses:
1) Expanded the Romulan culture, how? By asserting that a multi-planetary EMPIRE with thousands of its own starships was waiting on a little fleet being constructed on Mars for their evacuation? And then they'd go on to somehow both become refugees living in squalor yet ALSO magically have a fleet of hundreds of brand new Warbirds JUST for some **tsk tsk** new "double super secret" version of the Tal Shiar? (EDIT: Actually that's a perfect example of Abrams style writing - Tal Shiar wasn't secret enough, go bigger! It's the "Starkiller base" version of the Death Star all over again).
Don't get me started on that stupid idea of that supernova that JJ Abrams invented for Star Trek 2009, which to this day doesn't make any sense. But to add the idea that they'd have months and months to "prepare an evacuation fleet" and then fail? In that time you could take the same 20 ships and fly back and forth 100 times. It's just beyond stupid. Written by people who don't care if it makes sense.
2) Troi and Riker have a son die because of some silly made up condition that required Artificial Intelligence to fix? And you're telling me William T. Riker didn't break the rules to save his own son. But that didn't matter, because the point was to turn Utopia into a sad, melodramatic dystopian murderverse, which is all the writers wanted to do. And that's why Riker and Troi had to proverbially "get shafted."
3) What exactly was the point of the Borg Cube and the whole "reclamation project" plotline?
And just as a side note, you know they didn't show any Klingons because they'd have to retcon the makeup to match Discovery. They were using Discovery CGI shuttle models in 2399, that's how lazy they were. Let's spend our time animating giant Orchids that fly up into space and pull down ships! Wait, we have to include Starfleet? No, let's just copy paste one badly drawn Federation starship model 100 times. Oh, and one Romulan ship too, 300 times. Yessss.
But ignoring EVERYTHING else, the simple truth is that the show was simply unintelligent. It was poorly plotted, poorly executed, and even the acting seemed phoned in. It was a mess.
I liked the Qowat Milat. I liked seeing the weird Romulan maze technique to unlock the mind. I agree the Zhat Vash made little sense but sadly there are groups like that today whose plans and ideas are illogical and destructive. That does not stop them from continuing those plans regardless of cost to themselves and others. Power for those at the top is sufficient for them. How so few Zhat Vash could have such power and so many ships does not make sense. I guess Picard wanted a big stakes finale. There were issues with how long the season would go and changes made mid production. I did find the show largely depressing and boring but others love it. I do not have to love every show. There will be a new showrunner for season 2 and I am hoping the show will turn it around. I wish I could disagree with more of what you said but the show did have significant issues.
I liked the Qowat Milat. I liked seeing the weird Romulan maze technique to unlock the mind. I agree the Zhat Vash made little sense but sadly there are groups like that today whose plans and ideas are illogical and destructive. That does not stop them from continuing those plans regardless of cost to themselves and others. Power for those at the top is sufficient for them. How so few Zhat Vash could have such power and so many ships does not make sense. I guess Picard wanted a big stakes finale. There were issues with how long the season would go and changes made mid production. I did find the show largely depressing and boring but others love it. I do not have to love every show. There will be a new showrunner for season 2 and I am hoping the show will turn it around. I wish I could disagree with more of what you said but the show did have significant issues.
I really don't want to be "that" guy, because I'm as liberal as it gets, but clearly both the Qwat Milat and the Zhat Vash were basically the writers' piss-poor way of saying "feminism, girl power, look at us, we're so woke, y'all!!" - You know that thing where something tries so hard that it basically becomes a mockery of what it's trying to do? How about you try to make an intelligent story that uses female characters, not start with the female characters and half-**tsk tsk** the story?
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I liked the Qowat Milat. I liked seeing the weird Romulan maze technique to unlock the mind. I agree the Zhat Vash made little sense but sadly there are groups like that today whose plans and ideas are illogical and destructive. That does not stop them from continuing those plans regardless of cost to themselves and others. Power for those at the top is sufficient for them. How so few Zhat Vash could have such power and so many ships does not make sense. I guess Picard wanted a big stakes finale. There were issues with how long the season would go and changes made mid production. I did find the show largely depressing and boring but others love it. I do not have to love every show. There will be a new showrunner for season 2 and I am hoping the show will turn it around. I wish I could disagree with more of what you said but the show did have significant issues.
I really don't want to be "that" guy, because I'm as liberal as it gets, but clearly both the Qwat Milat and the Zhat Vash were basically the writers' piss-poor way of saying "feminism, girl power, look at us, we're so woke, y'all!!" - You know that thing where something tries so hard that it basically becomes a mockery of what it's trying to do? How about you try to make an intelligent story that uses female characters, not start with the female characters and half-**tsk tsk** the story?
I disagree. If they had been male run groups the gender would not even be mentioned, much less discussed and criticized. I see no reason why female run groups should be held to a higher standard.
I think PIC had some great ideas, but far far too little time to explore them. The end result was rapid fire plot points, character elements, and world building that was rarely explained or even referenced again.
With so few episodes, they should have entirely dropped the Romulans from the story, and expanded the borg harvesters to take on the "Zhat Vash" role. Know a good way to keep your market in high-end cybernetics afloat? Discredit androids as a replacement. BAM, Zhat Vash replaced in a single sentence.
Nothing against Romulans, but they deserve a fully committed season or two, not third wheel to the android plot and the borg plot.
To bring this full circle, I think PIC did a good job with its TNG call backs. The banner that started all of this is one such example. Hugh was another. Good call backs are awesome for folks who recognize them, but don't leave fans guessing if they're unfamiliar with the source.
DIS also feels rushed to me, but I think S3 had better pacing and I'm hoping this means future seasons/series will see additional improvement. Guess we'll see with PIC S2.
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I liked the Qowat Milat. I liked seeing the weird Romulan maze technique to unlock the mind. I agree the Zhat Vash made little sense but sadly there are groups like that today whose plans and ideas are illogical and destructive. That does not stop them from continuing those plans regardless of cost to themselves and others. Power for those at the top is sufficient for them. How so few Zhat Vash could have such power and so many ships does not make sense. I guess Picard wanted a big stakes finale. There were issues with how long the season would go and changes made mid production. I did find the show largely depressing and boring but others love it. I do not have to love every show. There will be a new showrunner for season 2 and I am hoping the show will turn it around. I wish I could disagree with more of what you said but the show did have significant issues.
I really don't want to be "that" guy, because I'm as liberal as it gets, but clearly both the Qwat Milat and the Zhat Vash were basically the writers' piss-poor way of saying "feminism, girl power, look at us, we're so woke, y'all!!" - You know that thing where something tries so hard that it basically becomes a mockery of what it's trying to do? How about you try to make an intelligent story that uses female characters, not start with the female characters and half-**tsk tsk** the story?
I disagree. If they had been male run groups the gender would not even be mentioned, much less discussed and criticized. I see no reason why female run groups should be held to a higher standard.
That's my point exactly, they were more interested in creating reasons for "twitterverse outrage" as opposed to worrying about whether their story made sense. It's the same with Discovery. Forget good writing or a plot that seems remotely coherent, let's just make reasonable Trek fans suddenly have to take sides on whether they're "woke" enough.
Also, one quick thing:
To Veterinary Phlox - Discovery Season 3 - The turbolift shaft scene in the finale. That scene alone destroys any credibility that show might have had left.
First off, flooding a series with nostalgic moments doesn't mean it's great - it means quite the opposite, actually - that you can't come up with anything clever on your own. .
Nor did I say that was the appeal - I enjoyed it for the quality of the execution of those scenes - but it is evident it is not worth discussing. You weren’t remotely open to “redeeming qualities”, you just wanted to go off on yet another rant about the show and assert that your view is unimpeachably correct - and I was foolish enough to indulge. Apologies to those I exposed to it.
Suggestion for forum upgrade - have the ignore function carry over to where an ignored person is quoted. Could have avoided getting sucked into this nonsense in the first place.
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But that banner is from the new Picard series.
Make it so!
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Perhaps you should, given the new series seem to live rent-free in your head.
I, like plenty of others, am very glad it does exist.
Are you sure?
Are you? https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-day-banner-vault-keep-reason-why/
Why, though? Like, honestly, what in it was actually good? Open to any redeeming qualities, really.
Picard season 1 did have some serious issues but it did expand the Romulan culture which was awesome and it did establish the characters and set us up for season 2 with a new showrunner. Hoping season 2 is very good.
I agree! There were a few moments that I didn’t like, and some I really didn’t like! But there were also a lot of awesome moments and great nostalgic memories
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It's going to be inherently subjective. I liked many of the characters and found there to be a number of enjoyable character moments. To take just one episode, Broken Pieces, there was the scene with the Rios holos, Picard speaking about Data and Seven's moment as Borg - all memorable, enjoyable moments. As another, Nepenthe even got me to like Riker and Troi, which is more than most of TNG managed.
To address multiple responses:
1) Expanded the Romulan culture, how? By asserting that a multi-planetary EMPIRE with thousands of its own starships was waiting on a little fleet being constructed on Mars for their evacuation? And then they'd go on to somehow both become refugees living in squalor yet ALSO magically have a fleet of hundreds of brand new Warbirds JUST for some **tsk tsk** new "double super secret" version of the Tal Shiar? (EDIT: Actually that's a perfect example of Abrams style writing - Tal Shiar wasn't secret enough, go bigger! It's the "Starkiller base" version of the Death Star all over again).
Don't get me started on that stupid idea of that supernova that JJ Abrams invented for Star Trek 2009, which to this day doesn't make any sense. But to add the idea that they'd have months and months to "prepare an evacuation fleet" and then fail? In that time you could take the same 20 ships and fly back and forth 100 times. It's just beyond stupid. Written by people who don't care if it makes sense.
2) Troi and Riker have a son die because of some silly made up condition that required Artificial Intelligence to fix? And you're telling me William T. Riker didn't break the rules to save his own son. But that didn't matter, because the point was to turn Utopia into a sad, melodramatic dystopian murderverse, which is all the writers wanted to do. And that's why Riker and Troi had to proverbially "get shafted."
3) What exactly was the point of the Borg Cube and the whole "reclamation project" plotline?
And just as a side note, you know they didn't show any Klingons because they'd have to retcon the makeup to match Discovery. They were using Discovery CGI shuttle models in 2399, that's how lazy they were. Let's spend our time animating giant Orchids that fly up into space and pull down ships! Wait, we have to include Starfleet? No, let's just copy paste one badly drawn Federation starship model 100 times. Oh, and one Romulan ship too, 300 times. Yessss.
But ignoring EVERYTHING else, the simple truth is that the show was simply unintelligent. It was poorly plotted, poorly executed, and even the acting seemed phoned in. It was a mess.
I really don't want to be "that" guy, because I'm as liberal as it gets, but clearly both the Qwat Milat and the Zhat Vash were basically the writers' piss-poor way of saying "feminism, girl power, look at us, we're so woke, y'all!!" - You know that thing where something tries so hard that it basically becomes a mockery of what it's trying to do? How about you try to make an intelligent story that uses female characters, not start with the female characters and half-**tsk tsk** the story?
I disagree. If they had been male run groups the gender would not even be mentioned, much less discussed and criticized. I see no reason why female run groups should be held to a higher standard.
With so few episodes, they should have entirely dropped the Romulans from the story, and expanded the borg harvesters to take on the "Zhat Vash" role. Know a good way to keep your market in high-end cybernetics afloat? Discredit androids as a replacement. BAM, Zhat Vash replaced in a single sentence.
Nothing against Romulans, but they deserve a fully committed season or two, not third wheel to the android plot and the borg plot.
To bring this full circle, I think PIC did a good job with its TNG call backs. The banner that started all of this is one such example. Hugh was another. Good call backs are awesome for folks who recognize them, but don't leave fans guessing if they're unfamiliar with the source.
DIS also feels rushed to me, but I think S3 had better pacing and I'm hoping this means future seasons/series will see additional improvement. Guess we'll see with PIC S2.
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(Seriously thought, that card art looks fantastic.)
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That's my point exactly, they were more interested in creating reasons for "twitterverse outrage" as opposed to worrying about whether their story made sense. It's the same with Discovery. Forget good writing or a plot that seems remotely coherent, let's just make reasonable Trek fans suddenly have to take sides on whether they're "woke" enough.
Also, one quick thing:
To Veterinary Phlox - Discovery Season 3 - The turbolift shaft scene in the finale. That scene alone destroys any credibility that show might have had left.
Did I miss where the stats were released?
They're in the freezer.
Cmd/Sci/Dip seems good to me, and the art is good.
(Note to self, get some furniture polish).
Well, he is a role model.
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Nor did I say that was the appeal - I enjoyed it for the quality of the execution of those scenes - but it is evident it is not worth discussing. You weren’t remotely open to “redeeming qualities”, you just wanted to go off on yet another rant about the show and assert that your view is unimpeachably correct - and I was foolish enough to indulge. Apologies to those I exposed to it.
Suggestion for forum upgrade - have the ignore function carry over to where an ignored person is quoted. Could have avoided getting sucked into this nonsense in the first place.
Worth a citiation for me, since he has a 1299 CMD base and the nxt highest Picard with CMD base has 1144 only(C.O.P. Picard).
Plus he won t be part of the nxt portal update in July and i m not sure if we’ll
see any other portal update after the nxt one.😅