Duplicate beholds, post your bad luck here...
Jim Steele
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So I keep getting these and DB don't think it's warranted of a solution beyond 1/90th of the exchange rate.
To raise awareness of the issue, post your bad luck here...
To raise awareness of the issue, post your bad luck here...
DB: Do Better
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DB seems happy with giving the big spenders a much higher chance of not getting anything of value from our purchases. Like literally throwing $20 into the trash some days. And we're enabling them because we keep giving them our money knowing it will probably be a waste of money.
I wouldn't expect anything to change until they start seeing sales drop because all of their big spenders stop spending.
In 4-5 months they will add new round of characters to standard pack. The best way to get DB to change is to simply not keep spending money. I am still pretty new to the game so this problem hasn't really affected me yet. The weekly offers do offer the best values for packs but I don't see a lot of value in them over dilithium the longer you play.
I am now VIP 8 so it isn't like I haven't spent a dime but it is all about return. If you not getting the return either change your strategy or stop paying which will more than likely encourage a change at DB.
Then again, it is up to the players themselves to decide when to pull the plug.
SSR Noob
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There are to many "Duplicate beholds" to even show.
Like SilverRose said the more of these you get the more depressing the situation is. I've less than a third of legendary crew immortalised but the same choices pop up in beholds I'm more likely to see another Captain Sisko before Shinzon while Shinzon isn't a great card stat wise he's appeared maybe 3 times in total since January 2016. What I like about triggering a Behold is either picking someone new or adding an existing star to one I have already. A citation is just as good as a 1/5 if all 3 are FF or immortal give something I can use instead on existing crew than only using to add a star in it's current format I'm less likely to keep pulling from offer packs or premium portals
I like that. Or, maybe if you get a Behold that is all fully Fused, there is a fourth slot with a Behold of the same Level, so you can get a "do-over". Like if you get an Epic Behold that you have all three Fully Fused, then you get the option of getting an Epic Behold for free instead. Same with Legendary, and a free Legendary Behold.
I know five thousand people are gonna say "But, that is unfair." No, it is NOT. You are just getting a chance to actually get a Behold that is usable in place of one that is not usable.....
Scott
Or half a citation. If it's a full one there would be no point/choice/fun in the rest of the behold. Or... the system could simply, use whatever it uses to recognize FF, and not offer 3 of them.
After playing several months, I have FF 53 out of the 178 super-rares (no 5/5 yet) but gotten a ton of duplicates, including the first (and last) time I bought a specific pack. There were 9 crew in it, I only had one FF, but got her in 2 out of the 3 pulls. I learned my lesson and never buying a specific crew pack again where I have any of them FF.*
Yesterday's 10x10pull special marks my point of diminishing returns and therefore final purchase other than monthly card:* Since I now have a FL 4star and 5star ship, and only 3 more rare crew to add final stars to, other than Jazz Musician Riker who isn't in pulls.
I'm not here to flat-out gamble to the extent of paying to possibly get nothing.
* ^ DB's loss, until something changes. I might continue to buy some offers or packs if. they. are. all. beholds. and. IF. we. do. not. receive. duplicates.
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But you do not buy packs for 4* crew you are buying for the legendary. So if in 10 x10 pulls you do not get a legendary you have a right to complain, because you had bad luck. If you get a legendary behold that they are all FFFE already you got a right to complain too. However, that will happen more and more the closer you get to completing the set.
But, the one thing we cannot do is trade or sell to other players and because of that DB gives us all the right to complain for every behold that we get that has all crew FFFE.
When I recalled the inability to trade or sell are dupes, I realized that DB has created this mess and we should complain. Because there would be no complaints if this was similar to actual card collecting. Because dupes can be traded for what we need.
Good thread. SilverRose's comment gave me a good chuckle.
Adding my screenshot, it's a simple 4* behold, other 2 crew were vaulted, nothing special but still annoyed the hell of me. It's one of the reasons why I'll never go for those 10 premium pack weekly offers.
The way I see it it's fixable with a simple line of code so DB is deliberate in insulting me.
It's certainly not a new idea.
The idea "give us 90 times more stuff DB, give us 90 times more now" keeps having a great following in the forums.
However, giving people the option of a USABLE Behold when they get a USELESS Behold is NOT "Give us ninety more times stuff, DB." It's more like "Give us what the RNG tried to give us, but failed"......
Scott
Lol what? "Give us what the RNG tried to give us but failed"?
Do you know how pathetically easy it would be to program the premium portal to avoid immortalized crew?
It gives you useless stuff... let me rephrase, it gives you USELESS stuff BY DESIGN. The RNG is not failing because it's not trying.
It's designed to be like this and it works as intended (which CS will tell you if you send them a pointless ticket).
So this is EXACTLY "you decided to give us certain stuff and now we want you go back on your decision and give us 90 times more stuff DB, give us 90 times more now".
By the way, since I know that on these forums disagreeing with someone usually means you're going to be accused of being a DB apologist: I think that the monetization is absurd and I haven't spend a time in a year and a half in protest. I perfectly agree that all-duplicate Gold Beholds are terrible. That doesn't mean that we should try to mask our argument. We shouldn't say "your algorithm has tried and failed and you should consider repairing it" - we should say "your flawless algorithm is cruel - either you give us more or we stop paying".
Let's be proud and unashamed in our argument. If you want 90 times more (under certain conditions), then ask for 90 times more (under certain conditions), don't pretend you're trying to fix some sort of technical failure.
There must be a clustering of these characters because after sitting with two stars forever, I also got another Undercover O’Brian on Voyages yesterday and then pulled a behold which had two already immortalized characters and the fourth star for O’Brian (although he seems pretty hard to level... a real chroniton pit). No prizes for guessing who I picked.
EDIT: your screen capture went from immortalized O’Brian to this as I was typing...
Where's this 90 figure coming from? I haven't seen anyone saying "If I don't get a legendary I need, give me 90 legendaries!" That'd be insane.
Asking for a legendary citation (50K honor) instead of airlocking the dupe (550 honor).
If you were a hypothetical person who had every character immortalized thanks to this system, when DB came out with a new 5* character, all you would have to do is buy 5 packs and be guaranteed to FF the character. If all players are offered is a chance, however, there's no telling how many packs someone with a gambling addiction will pull in order to get even one copy of the new crew.
It's not by accident that this is the dominant business model in these types of games.
For all the people saying they're not buying packs because of this - congratulations, you've beat the game!
But the behold itself is worth 45k honour. They're already giving you something insanely expensive, so what would the difference be? Downgrading the value by almost 99% because the relevant person's given them a lot of money in the past seems counter-intuitive.
Even if they just offered say a 4* citation, that would feel like a fair consolation prize. If you don't want to give any consolation prize, then allow intrafleet trading, then at least it's more like collecting trading cards. At the moment it's like saying you've won the grand prize and holding it out, then saying "Haha, fooled you" and whipping it away.
I'm at 192/210 crew.
All 1, 2 and 3 star crew are immortalised and frozen (apart from the 11 I use in arena and cadet missions). I have 54 legendary crew (most of whom are between 1/3 stars themselves) so I have a tonne of 4 star crew. This keeps happening.