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  • General MortarsGeneral Mortars ✭✭✭✭
    Tribble Phlox.

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  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    ChaosChild wrote: »
    AviTrek wrote: »
    ChaosChild wrote: »
    Sorry if this was mentioned before but couldn’t the crew confirmations be verified through looking at crew retrieval?

    Absolutely they could. But where's the fun in that?

    Only if you trust WRG to have retrieval and portal match with no bugs. Knowing the state of their code I wouldn't count on that.

    As a reminder, the original reason these threads were created was because at one point TP said they made a portal update and then months later we realized the update was broken and the crew weren't in the portal. So now players look to verify each crew.

    If we really wanted to be thorough we should have a separate 1-4* voyage confirmation check since it's possible a crew is added to portal and not voyages or vice versa.

    I do actually trust WRG to have portal/voyages/retrieval all lined up. If only because driving it all off one database field is far and away the simplest option, coding it in any other way would be more complicated, require more work and frankly no software developer with even the tiniest bit of sense would do it any other way.

    For the record, a tiny bit of sense is roughly how much I credit the WRG development team with.

    Unfortunately there are times where different systems are incompatible or you decided to slowly migrate to a new DB and are left with legacy features using the old DB and new features using a new DB. Especially when you remember that portals are one of the oldest features in the game and need to support custom packs in addition to the general pack.

    How WRG would design portal/voyage/retrieval today vs how they evolved over 6 years may be very different. I'm sure if they were all designed today they'd share the same DB flag. But I'm not convinced that a second column or duplicate list wasn't added over the years because it was easier/quicker when they were in a time crunch.
  • ChaosChildChaosChild ✭✭✭✭✭
    AviTrek wrote: »
    ChaosChild wrote: »
    AviTrek wrote: »
    ChaosChild wrote: »
    Sorry if this was mentioned before but couldn’t the crew confirmations be verified through looking at crew retrieval?

    Absolutely they could. But where's the fun in that?

    Only if you trust WRG to have retrieval and portal match with no bugs. Knowing the state of their code I wouldn't count on that.

    As a reminder, the original reason these threads were created was because at one point TP said they made a portal update and then months later we realized the update was broken and the crew weren't in the portal. So now players look to verify each crew.

    If we really wanted to be thorough we should have a separate 1-4* voyage confirmation check since it's possible a crew is added to portal and not voyages or vice versa.

    I do actually trust WRG to have portal/voyages/retrieval all lined up. If only because driving it all off one database field is far and away the simplest option, coding it in any other way would be more complicated, require more work and frankly no software developer with even the tiniest bit of sense would do it any other way.

    For the record, a tiny bit of sense is roughly how much I credit the WRG development team with.

    Unfortunately there are times where different systems are incompatible or you decided to slowly migrate to a new DB and are left with legacy features using the old DB and new features using a new DB. Especially when you remember that portals are one of the oldest features in the game and need to support custom packs in addition to the general pack.

    How WRG would design portal/voyage/retrieval today vs how they evolved over 6 years may be very different. I'm sure if they were all designed today they'd share the same DB flag. But I'm not convinced that a second column or duplicate list wasn't added over the years because it was easier/quicker when they were in a time crunch.

    Except that Ben has been very clear that they're still dealing with the original code, database design etc. It's been a common theme in interviews where he gives the original design as a reason why some new feature can't be implemented, some design issue can't be fixed and so on. And they definitely don't have the development resource to start redeveloping from the ground up.

    I mean, you're right in that the original design was obviously shoddy in so many ways. And if they were starting today, with the benefit of years of hindsight, I'm sure they'd do things differently. But the idea that you'd have two or three different ways of determining whether or not a crew is in the portal is just ludicrous. No rational human being would possibly code like that.
  • AviTrekAviTrek ✭✭✭✭✭
    ChaosChild wrote: »
    AviTrek wrote: »
    ChaosChild wrote: »
    AviTrek wrote: »
    ChaosChild wrote: »
    Sorry if this was mentioned before but couldn’t the crew confirmations be verified through looking at crew retrieval?

    Absolutely they could. But where's the fun in that?

    Only if you trust WRG to have retrieval and portal match with no bugs. Knowing the state of their code I wouldn't count on that.

    As a reminder, the original reason these threads were created was because at one point TP said they made a portal update and then months later we realized the update was broken and the crew weren't in the portal. So now players look to verify each crew.

    If we really wanted to be thorough we should have a separate 1-4* voyage confirmation check since it's possible a crew is added to portal and not voyages or vice versa.

    I do actually trust WRG to have portal/voyages/retrieval all lined up. If only because driving it all off one database field is far and away the simplest option, coding it in any other way would be more complicated, require more work and frankly no software developer with even the tiniest bit of sense would do it any other way.

    For the record, a tiny bit of sense is roughly how much I credit the WRG development team with.

    Unfortunately there are times where different systems are incompatible or you decided to slowly migrate to a new DB and are left with legacy features using the old DB and new features using a new DB. Especially when you remember that portals are one of the oldest features in the game and need to support custom packs in addition to the general pack.

    How WRG would design portal/voyage/retrieval today vs how they evolved over 6 years may be very different. I'm sure if they were all designed today they'd share the same DB flag. But I'm not convinced that a second column or duplicate list wasn't added over the years because it was easier/quicker when they were in a time crunch.

    Except that Ben has been very clear that they're still dealing with the original code, database design etc. It's been a common theme in interviews where he gives the original design as a reason why some new feature can't be implemented, some design issue can't be fixed and so on. And they definitely don't have the development resource to start redeveloping from the ground up.

    I mean, you're right in that the original design was obviously shoddy in so many ways. And if they were starting today, with the benefit of years of hindsight, I'm sure they'd do things differently. But the idea that you'd have two or three different ways of determining whether or not a crew is in the portal is just ludicrous. No rational human being would possibly code like that.

    When I hear the original design and limitations, that's exactly why I don't trust that things are integrated. We know they had a bug in the portal release at one point. If the portal list was a hardcoded list of crew, then it may not be possible to use that same list for crew retrieval. When you think about how they need to support normal portals, tuesday packs, event packs, discount packs, etc... I can easily imagine there being a list of crew defined for each pack. How many times do we hear about mistakes/bugs in the crew available in the pack? I would hope crew retrieval is powered by a single flag on the crew data. But moving the portal to use that flag as opposed to a list tied to the pack is what I think about as a limitation in the original design and a challenge they need to overcome.

    This is all speculation without seeing the code, but the term "tech debt" exists for a reason. And I would never assume software that has evolved over years is done in a logical way that you would design for given the current feature list.
  • I'm not sure if we are confirming or not, but I can confirm Tribble Phlox and Mirror Marlena Moreau.
  • ~peregrine~~peregrine~ ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unsure here as well, but I passed on Patar in a behold.
    "In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    I'm not sure if we are confirming or not, but I can confirm Tribble Phlox and Mirror Marlena Moreau.
    Unsure here as well, but I passed on Patar in a behold.

    I'm updating the list on page one. Since the person who did the last three sounded like they are ready for a break.



    EDIT: Added
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • John Luck PikkardJohn Luck Pikkard ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
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    Lieutenant Sahil confirmed

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    Angela Martine confirmed

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    Profiteer Vash confirmed
  • Ishmael MarxIshmael Marx ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had Brother Rom in a all-frozen behold today (no screenshot).
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    The List:

    Crew Update

    2*
    U.S.S. Cabot Janitor {CONFIRMED}

    4*
    Angela Martine CONFIRMED
    Badge-Challenged Linus
    Bagman Odo
    Brother Rom CONFIRMED
    Explorer Cutler
    Fifth Dimension Invader
    First Contact Barclay
    Iden
    Jhet'leya
    Kov
    Lt. JG Sam Lavelle
    Mint Julep McCoy
    Mirror Marlena Moreau {CONFIRMED}
    Nemesis Sacrifice Data
    Patar {CONFIRMED}
    Profiteer Vash CONFIRMED
    Quarren of the Kyrian
    Science Officer Tilly
    Siege Nog
    Skorr Tchar {CONFIRMED}
    Steward Kyheem
    Su'Kal
    Sutra
    Tam Elbrun
    Tevrin Krit
    The Hansens
    Transporter Chief Kyle
    Tribble Phlox {CONFIRMED}
    Tribble Sato
    Tribble Spock {CONFIRMED}
    Underwear Larkin

    5*
    Admiral Mark Jameson
    Ancient Humanoid
    Beowulf EMH
    Captain Burnham
    Chancellor K'mpec
    Commander Demos
    DaiMon Solok
    Dealer Data
    Dreamwalker Chakotay
    Ephraim and Dot
    EV Suit Picard
    Fencing Picard
    Flint
    Holo-Engineer Zimmerman
    Kal'Hyah Sisko
    Kukulkan
    Lara {CONFIRMED}
    Li Nalas
    Lieutenant Ogawa
    Lieutenant Sahil CONFIRMED
    Lt. Commander Mitchell
    Luau Q
    Orion Captain
    Pernaia Prime T'Pol
    Platonian Spock
    Prophet Kira {CONFIRMED}
    Racquetball O'Brien
    Resistance Burnham
    Returning Saru
    Rurigan
    Spock and I-Chaya
    Straal
    Syrran
    Tawi'Yan Alexander
    Tribble Chekov
    Tribble Kirk
    Tribble Sulu
    Tribble Uhura
    Wonderland Tilly

    Schematics Update

    4*
    Karemma Ship


    5*
    Gomtuu CONFIRMED
    Romulan Bird-of-Prey
    U.S.S. Hiawatha

    All crew added with this update are now also available via Crew Retrieval as a result new constellations and polestars have been introduced to the game.

    New Polestars Added
    Dramen
    Historian
    Kobali
    Kyrian
    Photonic
    Serpent
    Tardigrade
    Tellarite
    Yaderan

    CURRENTLY
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • JhamelJhamel ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    Prophet Kira from a basic single pull? I'd call that "Profit Kira"! :) Also, nice to see Hollow Engineer Zimmerman, Fencing Picard and Lieutenant Ogawa finally in the purrtal! :) Also, how is Gomtuu already in the purrtal?
    "Everything about the Jem'Hadar is lethal!" - Eris (ST-DS9 Episode 2x26 "The Jem'Hadar")
  • W.W. CarlisleW.W. Carlisle ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    Su'Kal and Karemma schematics both from my Threshold pull!
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    W.W. CarlislePlayed since January 20, 2019Captain Level- 99 (May 9, 2022)VIP 14Crew Quarters: 485/485Most recent/Lowest- Anbo-jyutsu Kyle Riker (1/5* Lvl 30) 5/29/23Immortalized x-866 5* x184, 4* x 490, 3* x91, 2* x62, and 1* x27Most recent Immortal - Tearful Janeway 4* 5/25/23Current non-event project- Improving my Science base skill. Retrieval Project- Mestral 1/5*
  • Sulu's HusbandSulu's Husband ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have seen Jhet'leya, Su'Kal, The Hansens, Tribble Sato, Karemma ship , DaiMon Solok, Dreamwalker Chakotay, Platonian Spock, Racquetball O'Brien, and Syrran.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    The List:

    Crew Update

    2*
    U.S.S. Cabot Janitor {CONFIRMED}

    4*
    Angela Martine CONFIRMED
    Badge-Challenged Linus
    Bagman Odo
    Brother Rom CONFIRMED
    Explorer Cutler {CONFIRMED}
    Fifth Dimension Invader
    First Contact Barclay
    Iden
    Jhet'leya CONFIRMED
    Kov CONFIRMED
    Lt. JG Sam Lavelle
    Mint Julep McCoy CONFIRMED
    Mirror Marlena Moreau {CONFIRMED}
    Nemesis Sacrifice Data {CONFIRMED}
    Patar {CONFIRMED}
    Profiteer Vash CONFIRMED
    Quarren of the Kyrian
    Science Officer Tilly
    Siege Nog
    Skorr Tchar {CONFIRMED}
    Steward Kyheem
    Su'Kal CONFIRMED
    Sutra
    Tam Elbrun
    Tevrin Krit
    The Hansens CONFIRMED
    Transporter Chief Kyle
    Tribble Phlox {CONFIRMED}
    Tribble Sato CONFIRMED
    Tribble Spock {CONFIRMED}
    Underwear Larkin

    5*
    Admiral Mark Jameson
    Ancient Humanoid
    Beowulf EMH
    Captain Burnham
    Chancellor K'mpec
    Commander Demos
    DaiMon Solok CONFIRMED
    Dealer Data
    Dreamwalker Chakotay CONFIRMED
    Ephraim and Dot
    EV Suit Picard
    Fencing Picard
    Flint
    Holo-Engineer Zimmerman
    Kal'Hyah Sisko
    Kukulkan
    Lara {CONFIRMED}
    Li Nalas
    Lieutenant Ogawa
    Lieutenant Sahil CONFIRMED
    Lt. Commander Mitchell
    Luau Q
    Orion Captain
    Pernaia Prime T'Pol
    Platonian Spock CONFIRMED
    Prophet Kira {CONFIRMED}
    Racquetball O'Brien CONFIRMED
    Resistance Burnham
    Returning Saru
    Rurigan
    Spock and I-Chaya
    Straal
    Syrran CONFIRMED
    Tawi'Yan Alexander
    Tribble Chekov
    Tribble Kirk
    Tribble Sulu
    Tribble Uhura
    Wonderland Tilly

    Schematics Update

    4*
    Karemma Ship CONFIRMED


    5*
    Gomtuu CONFIRMED
    Romulan Bird-of-Prey
    U.S.S. Hiawatha CONFIRMED

    All crew added with this update are now also available via Crew Retrieval as a result new constellations and polestars have been introduced to the game.

    New Polestars Added
    Dramen
    Historian
    Kobali
    Kyrian
    Photonic
    Serpent
    Tardigrade
    Tellarite
    Yaderan

    CURRENTLY
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • Myimaginary Myimaginary ✭✭✭✭
    I can confirm U.S.S. Hiawatha.
  • Sulu's HusbandSulu's Husband ✭✭✭✭✭
    Explorer Cutler
  • -:- AZ689-:- AZ689 ✭✭✭
    Picked up Nemesis Sacrifice Data during a voyage
  • IvanstoneIvanstone ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have Kov taking up space right now.
    VIP 13 - 310 Crew Slots - 1055 Immortals
  • Ishmael MarxIshmael Marx ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mint Julep McCoy spotted in a behold.
  • W.W. CarlisleW.W. Carlisle ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    Science Officer Tilly in a behold. I've confirmed three...the world is ending!
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    W.W. CarlislePlayed since January 20, 2019Captain Level- 99 (May 9, 2022)VIP 14Crew Quarters: 485/485Most recent/Lowest- Anbo-jyutsu Kyle Riker (1/5* Lvl 30) 5/29/23Immortalized x-866 5* x184, 4* x 490, 3* x91, 2* x62, and 1* x27Most recent Immortal - Tearful Janeway 4* 5/25/23Current non-event project- Improving my Science base skill. Retrieval Project- Mestral 1/5*
  • ~peregrine~~peregrine~ ✭✭✭✭✭
    Transporter Chief Kyle in a behold:

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    "In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    The List:

    Crew Update

    2*
    U.S.S. Cabot Janitor {CONFIRMED}

    4*
    Angela Martine CONFIRMED
    Badge-Challenged Linus CONFIRMED
    Bagman Odo CONFIRMED
    Brother Rom CONFIRMED
    Explorer Cutler {CONFIRMED}
    Fifth Dimension Invader CONFIRMED
    First Contact Barclay CONFIRMED
    Iden CONFIRMED
    Jhet'leya CONFIRMED
    Kov CONFIRMED
    Lt. JG Sam Lavelle CONFIRMED
    Mint Julep McCoy CONFIRMED
    Mirror Marlena Moreau {CONFIRMED}
    Nemesis Sacrifice Data {CONFIRMED}
    Patar {CONFIRMED}
    Profiteer Vash CONFIRMED
    Quarren of the Kyrian CONFIRMED
    Science Officer Tilly CONFIRMED
    Siege Nog CONFIRMED
    Skorr Tchar {CONFIRMED}
    Steward Kyheem CONFIRMED
    Su'Kal CONFIRMED
    Sutra CONFIRMED
    Tam Elbrun
    Tevrin Krit CONFIRMED
    The Hansens CONFIRMED
    Transporter Chief Kyle CONFIRMED
    Tribble Phlox {CONFIRMED}
    Tribble Sato CONFIRMED
    Tribble Spock {CONFIRMED}
    Underwear Larkin

    5*
    Admiral Mark Jameson
    Ancient Humanoid
    Beowulf EMH
    Captain Burnham CONFIRMED
    Chancellor K'mpec
    Commander Demos
    DaiMon Solok CONFIRMED
    Dealer Data
    Dreamwalker Chakotay CONFIRMED
    Ephraim and Dot
    EV Suit Picard CONFIRMED
    Fencing Picard
    Flint
    Holo-Engineer Zimmerman
    Kal'Hyah Sisko CONFIRMED
    Kukulkan
    Lara {CONFIRMED}
    Li Nalas CONFIRMED
    Lieutenant Ogawa CONFIRMED
    Lieutenant Sahil CONFIRMED
    Lt. Commander Mitchell
    Luau Q
    Orion Captain CONFIRMED
    Pernaia Prime T'Pol
    Platonian Spock CONFIRMED
    Prophet Kira {CONFIRMED}
    Racquetball O'Brien CONFIRMED
    Resistance Burnham
    Returning Saru
    Rurigan
    Spock and I-Chaya
    Straal
    Syrran CONFIRMED
    Tawi'Yan Alexander
    Tribble Chekov
    Tribble Kirk
    Tribble Sulu
    Tribble Uhura
    Wonderland Tilly CONFIRMED

    Schematics Update

    4*
    Karemma Ship CONFIRMED


    5*
    Gomtuu CONFIRMED
    Romulan Bird-of-Prey CONFIRMED
    U.S.S. Hiawatha CONFIRMED

    All crew added with this update are now also available via Crew Retrieval as a result new constellations and polestars have been introduced to the game.

    New Polestars Added
    Dramen
    Historian
    Kobali
    Kyrian
    Photonic
    Serpent
    Tardigrade
    Tellarite
    Yaderan

    CURRENTLY

    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • Sven LundgrenSven Lundgren ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    I can confirm Siege Nog and Badge-Challenged Linus. Got them in 10 packs yesterday.
  • EnderWEnderW ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can confirm:

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    Lt. JG Sam Lavelle

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    Kal'Hyah Sisko

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    Captain Burnham

    Can also confirm the Romulan Bird of Prey.
    Playing Since: 2018-02-26 Level: 99 Fleet: ÷ Battleship Yamato, Squad Leader & Fleet Officer; 17hr, 20min Voyage /wo Refuel; 1610 Immortalized Crew; Highest Event Rank: 8 (God of Thunder)
  • Sulu's HusbandSulu's Husband ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    I've seen Barclay, Sam Lavelle, Steward Kyheem, Sutra, Krit, Ogawa, EV Suit Picard, and Wonderland Tilly as well as the BoP
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    EnderW wrote: »
    Can confirm:

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    Lt. JG Sam Lavelle

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    Kal'Hyah Sisko

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    Captain Burnham

    Can also confirm the Romulan Bird of Prey.

    Thanx! Using the full in-game name helps Scott find the right one a lot easier!
    I've seen Barclay, Sam Lavelle, Steward Kyheem, Sutra, Krit, Ogawa, EV Suit Picard, and Wonderland Tilly as well as the BoP

    Updated to here.
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • ~peregrine~~peregrine~ ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a copy of Iden now, but I don't recall if the card dropped from a voyage or a portal pull.
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    "In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
  • Can Con Li Nalas; Orion Captain; Fifth Dimension Invader and Bagman Odo
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a copy of Iden now, but I don't recall if the card dropped from a voyage or a portal pull.
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Can Con Li Nalas; Orion Captain; Fifth Dimension Invader and Bagman Odo

    ADDED
    "The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
  • EnderWEnderW ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Can confirm Quarren of the Kyrian
    Playing Since: 2018-02-26 Level: 99 Fleet: ÷ Battleship Yamato, Squad Leader & Fleet Officer; 17hr, 20min Voyage /wo Refuel; 1610 Immortalized Crew; Highest Event Rank: 8 (God of Thunder)
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