I assume this change is to benefit the forthcoming voyage event.
However, it still demonstrates that none of the developers plays the game for themselves without having artificially setup their crews for testing purposes.
The crew sort "fix"/adjustment is affecting other aspects of the game as well.. It also shows up in crew selection for Continuum, which also reverts to the "default" sort every time now, instead of staying on the last sort you chose (I used to leave mine on QP, which I can't now). In the Time Portal, it "bounces" back to the far left every time you do something so you have to scroll-scroll-scroll to get where you want to be, again instead staying where you left it from your last selection.
I will also agree though, the Voyage crew sort is atrocious now, and takes 3x or longer time to setup with the annoying new "feature". I have not been able to setup a proper "long voyage" since it showed up.
And on the complete opposite of the "feature" related update, when selecting Gauntlet crew, now your selection for crew stays where you left off from the previous crew selection rather than "springing" back to the top like it used to. Very strange, and also kind of annoying.
The saddest thing about this completely unnecessary change to voyage crew selection is that it demonstrates just how little any of the devs actually truly play this game. I can’t see how anybody who regularly sends out long voyages could draw any benefit from this change.
Agreed. I often wonder “what are they thinking??” And it all comes down to playing the game. They dont. “Play” meaning actually play the game. Not “playtest”
In their defense, I can see see that most people do not want to spend their free time at work.
It would make much more sense if they stopped rolling out changes we didn't ask for, fixing that things that aren't broken and so on, as it has been described. These changes should be brought to the community before implemented.
I found this in the Discord. @STT Community@tp_Joe this thread was very hard to find. It is not freely accessible.
It should be mentioned again that a large majority of daily players do not use Discord, do not know what Discord is, or do not want Discord.
Respectfully, realizing you don't want to spend your free time at work, a small group of programmers “playtesting” briefly for functionality is not playing the game.
We, who play daily, do not play the game as you do.
This change makes starting a standard voyage take so much…much more time.
Most players know what they desire and how to set a voyage. And is now being more widely noticed by daily players as an annoying hinderance.
Optional skill sorting should be just that. Optional.
I found this in the Discord. @STT Community@tp_Joe this thread was very hard to find. It is not freely accessible.
It should be mentioned again that a large majority of daily players do not use Discord, do not know what Discord is, or do not want Discord.
Respectfully, realizing you don't want to spend your free time at work, a small group of programmers “playtesting” briefly for functionality is not playing the game.
We, who play daily, do not play the game as you do.
This change makes starting a standard voyage take so much…much more time.
Most players know what they desire and how to set a voyage. And is now being more widely noticed by daily players as an annoying hinderance.
Optional skill sorting should be just that. Optional.
You must not be a “power user” who is looking to “construct the perfect voyage crew”
Joking aside, there is no way that TPJoe, TPben or TPanybody gives two hot ***** about this game. It went off the rails when benny boy banned everyone during buttongate and it crashed into the gas station when tp fired all of the wrg staff and told benny “heres a raise, automate the development cycles and get every penny you can out of the suckers that are still playing” the game has been a dumpster fire for years.
The game exists only because the cost of the efforts they are putting into running it are generating a profit, of some kind. Its easy enough to read between the lines and understand that the game is not making them much money, or they would have a bigger staff dedicated to it. (Not to mention, there would be more people playing it)
A consistent stream of poor decision making by the people in charge has led to people quitting spending, or even quitting the game entirely. Thats it and thats all.
We can complain all we want but these people will not do anything to address the underlying problems.
Hopefully im wrong and the voyage event changes everything and brings back so many of the friends that used to play this game. Heres to hoping for the best.
My suggestion is that you could keep the primary skill selection for those who wish to use it, but add the ability to DE-SELECT that skill, so that when you click a different skill, it sorts the crew the way it used to.
In other words, if you are staffing your Voyage seat for the Chief Engineer position, but you want to choose some crew who may have a lower ENG skill number but higher number in other areas (Chances Taken Kirk, for example), give us the ability to de-select the ENG by clicking that icon a second time, where we can see it is no longer highlighted, and then click on the other skill we want (in my example, CMD).
This would give to the minority of players who like the changes you made, the ability to use the new way of crew selection, while giving to those of us who liked it better the way it was, a way to select crew in the manner we prefer. Best of both worlds.
(Obviously this should be a game-wide fix in any areas affected by this new crew selection method, not just Voyages.)
I had to use it for the first time today. It is far worse than I expected. I like the search, but then I would need to know their names and spelling and such. Even then, searching for "Kirk" doesn't put them in any order I cam figure out.
I assume this was developed with a test crew of a hundred or so. Have someone test it with 800 crew.
for me, none of the changes were positive. here's a list of what i've noticed so far.
1. Voyage crew selection preselecting a skill is hands down the worst change.
2. sorting crew quarters by QP now displays non-immortal crew, kinda pointless.
3. skill sorting options (default/base/combined) resets every time i leave it instead of remembering how i set it last. since i almost always want "combined" i have to set it that way every single time.
4. time portal scrolls to the far left every time i exit a screen, even screens within the portal. it used to stay where i left it, which i prefer.
5. continuum crew select is also affected since i have to set the skill sort order with every crew
6. why are there 4 options for crew skill sort? "default" is the same as "base", so why is there both "default" and "base" in the list?
these are the 6 changes i noticed so far. i know bugs and hiccups happen, and i hate to be a whiny player, but let me just set aside decorum briefly and say that this update is disgraceful and any dev who had a part in it should be ashamed of themselves. i mean, seriously, i've looked through the comments and there is almost nothing positive at all being said. the changes stink, they all stink, and the only smart move here is to have a forced downgrade back to v10 because v11 is nothing but a hot steaming turd.
Change that I like:
The dilemma notification (when you're not playing) now includes the name of your voyage. That's nice when you're running multiple accounts. Plus now I can smirk more often at my own stupid jokes that I use for the voyage names.
Change that seems to bother some, but I'm fine with:
Bigger reward icons (crew, chrons, merits, whatever). Yep, it was surprising the first time, but these aging eyes are fine with it. I'm only on a phone though, so if these things are filling the screen on other platforms, I can imagine why that might be off-putting.
Changes that I'm less than happy about:
See most of the other comments in this thread. The old yarn about "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" seems relevant.
I occasionally get weird issues with this new client with my crew like last night. I had a 10-pack premium in the portal, it was all garbage. The 10th slot was a 3-star Worf, so I airlocked them all. Then I noticed it said that 3-star Wolf was worth 550 honor.
When I looked in the reenlistment tab of the crew quarters, Worf had turned into a 5-star Caldos IV Crusher, so I pulled her back and paid the 550 honor. When I tried to fuse her into other 5-star crusher, she disappeared again and once again became 3-star Worf, who was once again only worth 100 honor.
I can't really reproduce it, and didn't think to get screenshots while it was happening, but I wonder how many other times things like it have been happening where I didn't notice because I was on autopilot.
I occasionally get weird issues with this new client with my crew like last night. I had a 10-pack premium in the portal, it was all garbage. The 10th slot was a 3-star Worf, so I airlocked them all. Then I noticed it said that 3-star Wolf was worth 550 honor.
When I looked in the reenlistment tab of the crew quarters, Worf had turned into a 5-star Caldos IV Crusher, so I pulled her back and paid the 550 honor. When I tried to fuse her into other 5-star crusher, she disappeared again and once again became 3-star Worf, who was once again only worth 100 honor.
I can't really reproduce it, and didn't think to get screenshots while it was happening, but I wonder how many other times things like it have been happening where I didn't notice because I was on autopilot.
This happens. You dont even need to leave, scroll, sort, re-sort crew in quarters. I believe it was V10 with BBB introduction when crew started jumping around randomly in quarters and you then accidentally airlock the wrong card.
Theyve done nothing to fix this
I am pre-emptively giving my opinion on changing the time portal. It is on the current roadmap and discussed in the last stream to upgrade the time portal in game store.
Joe said the reason was simply to refresh and update it. Because it is old
Seriously???!!! Why not put time into fixing things we asked for. Or reverting back the new fixes we dont like???
Ive never read or heard anyone complain about the time portal store. It works fine. You are going to break it
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However, it still demonstrates that none of the developers plays the game for themselves without having artificially setup their crews for testing purposes.
why wait for a forced one. I updated it pretty much ASAP & there are no problems such as the voyage crew skill 's not being in order
When you select a skill, it shows crew in what appears to be a random order. Doesn't appear to have anything to do with bonus traits.
I'm using android btw.
I will also agree though, the Voyage crew sort is atrocious now, and takes 3x or longer time to setup with the annoying new "feature". I have not been able to setup a proper "long voyage" since it showed up.
And on the complete opposite of the "feature" related update, when selecting Gauntlet crew, now your selection for crew stays where you left off from the previous crew selection rather than "springing" back to the top like it used to. Very strange, and also kind of annoying.
I am on iOS/MacOS, latest version of both.
Agreed. I often wonder “what are they thinking??” And it all comes down to playing the game. They dont. “Play” meaning actually play the game. Not “playtest”
In their defense, I can see see that most people do not want to spend their free time at work.
It would make much more sense if they stopped rolling out changes we didn't ask for, fixing that things that aren't broken and so on, as it has been described. These changes should be brought to the community before implemented.
It should be mentioned again that a large majority of daily players do not use Discord, do not know what Discord is, or do not want Discord.
Respectfully, realizing you don't want to spend your free time at work, a small group of programmers “playtesting” briefly for functionality is not playing the game.
We, who play daily, do not play the game as you do.
This change makes starting a standard voyage take so much…much more time.
Most players know what they desire and how to set a voyage. And is now being more widely noticed by daily players as an annoying hinderance.
Optional skill sorting should be just that. Optional.
You must not be a “power user” who is looking to “construct the perfect voyage crew”
Joking aside, there is no way that TPJoe, TPben or TPanybody gives two hot ***** about this game. It went off the rails when benny boy banned everyone during buttongate and it crashed into the gas station when tp fired all of the wrg staff and told benny “heres a raise, automate the development cycles and get every penny you can out of the suckers that are still playing” the game has been a dumpster fire for years.
The game exists only because the cost of the efforts they are putting into running it are generating a profit, of some kind. Its easy enough to read between the lines and understand that the game is not making them much money, or they would have a bigger staff dedicated to it. (Not to mention, there would be more people playing it)
A consistent stream of poor decision making by the people in charge has led to people quitting spending, or even quitting the game entirely. Thats it and thats all.
We can complain all we want but these people will not do anything to address the underlying problems.
Hopefully im wrong and the voyage event changes everything and brings back so many of the friends that used to play this game. Heres to hoping for the best.
Please reverse those changes asap
In other words, if you are staffing your Voyage seat for the Chief Engineer position, but you want to choose some crew who may have a lower ENG skill number but higher number in other areas (Chances Taken Kirk, for example), give us the ability to de-select the ENG by clicking that icon a second time, where we can see it is no longer highlighted, and then click on the other skill we want (in my example, CMD).
This would give to the minority of players who like the changes you made, the ability to use the new way of crew selection, while giving to those of us who liked it better the way it was, a way to select crew in the manner we prefer. Best of both worlds.
(Obviously this should be a game-wide fix in any areas affected by this new crew selection method, not just Voyages.)
I assume this was developed with a test crew of a hundred or so. Have someone test it with 800 crew.
1. Voyage crew selection preselecting a skill is hands down the worst change.
2. sorting crew quarters by QP now displays non-immortal crew, kinda pointless.
3. skill sorting options (default/base/combined) resets every time i leave it instead of remembering how i set it last. since i almost always want "combined" i have to set it that way every single time.
4. time portal scrolls to the far left every time i exit a screen, even screens within the portal. it used to stay where i left it, which i prefer.
5. continuum crew select is also affected since i have to set the skill sort order with every crew
6. why are there 4 options for crew skill sort? "default" is the same as "base", so why is there both "default" and "base" in the list?
these are the 6 changes i noticed so far. i know bugs and hiccups happen, and i hate to be a whiny player, but let me just set aside decorum briefly and say that this update is disgraceful and any dev who had a part in it should be ashamed of themselves. i mean, seriously, i've looked through the comments and there is almost nothing positive at all being said. the changes stink, they all stink, and the only smart move here is to have a forced downgrade back to v10 because v11 is nothing but a hot steaming turd.
The dilemma notification (when you're not playing) now includes the name of your voyage. That's nice when you're running multiple accounts. Plus now I can smirk more often at my own stupid jokes that I use for the voyage names.
Change that seems to bother some, but I'm fine with:
Bigger reward icons (crew, chrons, merits, whatever). Yep, it was surprising the first time, but these aging eyes are fine with it. I'm only on a phone though, so if these things are filling the screen on other platforms, I can imagine why that might be off-putting.
Changes that I'm less than happy about:
See most of the other comments in this thread. The old yarn about "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" seems relevant.
When I looked in the reenlistment tab of the crew quarters, Worf had turned into a 5-star Caldos IV Crusher, so I pulled her back and paid the 550 honor. When I tried to fuse her into other 5-star crusher, she disappeared again and once again became 3-star Worf, who was once again only worth 100 honor.
I can't really reproduce it, and didn't think to get screenshots while it was happening, but I wonder how many other times things like it have been happening where I didn't notice because I was on autopilot.
This happens. You dont even need to leave, scroll, sort, re-sort crew in quarters. I believe it was V10 with BBB introduction when crew started jumping around randomly in quarters and you then accidentally airlock the wrong card.
Theyve done nothing to fix this
On the “dont fix what isnt broken” note
I am pre-emptively giving my opinion on changing the time portal. It is on the current roadmap and discussed in the last stream to upgrade the time portal in game store.
Joe said the reason was simply to refresh and update it. Because it is old
Seriously???!!! Why not put time into fixing things we asked for. Or reverting back the new fixes we dont like???
Ive never read or heard anyone complain about the time portal store. It works fine. You are going to break it
I don’t want to listen to livestreams or sift through discord to find useful information that could easily be posted here.
I just had Hirogen trait, and it selected the 4* 2760 ship instead of a 5* 2900 ship.