Bottom line: Not the players fault for the crash. Black Pebble already stated it had nothing to do with players actions... which would not be an excuse even if they did crash it. Server performance is strictly DBs responsibility.
The correct solution is murky at best. Everyone agrees top players should receive something but how much? I'd lean toward increasing everyone's tier, not just <1000 etc. Everyone. We all experienced the outage, we all shared the same fate.
Lastly, it's nobody's place to tell other players how to play. Hold your vp, don't hold them, whatever works, God bless. I've had issues on my own end that kicked me offline at the end of an event. So I learned the hard way to never expect a 100% connection at critical times. I've never held my vp but I would never rule out trying it. I've just never finished so high that it mattered.
As I do have sympathies to those who were close to Top 1000 and didn't make it, but I have to play "Devil's Advocate" here a little bit.
The event is going for 3 full days and while of course I'm not sure if everyone did that, but most held their McGuffins back on purpose to irritate the other players and make them think they're safe at 900th or so position 20 minutes before the end of the event.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes? Even in the last hour is already quite late, but an hour before event end, there would have been even less than half of the activity around and the server was running purrfectly fine back then.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes?
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Exactly! This time the very people who attempt to pull the rug out from other players instead got swindled themselves. Then have the stones to cry the loudest. The Picard compensation fiasco was just a different "beef" all together.
I appreciate the comments dear captains, and I hope my analogy can sway you all just a hint.
Imagine you are running a 100m race. What you train for, is a 100m race. Not a 90m race, not a 110 meter race, but a 100 meter rate. You have had your own pace for years, and you almost always finish top 3 because you keep it steady during the 1-95 meters, and can ramp it up in the last 5 meters to get yourself that 3rd place. That's what your strategy always has been. Others with different physical traits run differently, and do much better or much worse than you. But all in all, you know your strategy works to do what needs to be done.
At the sound of the gun, you run like you normally do. Nothing changes for the beginning of the race, same thing for the middle of the race, and you keep your pace and you're comfortable. But, at the last second, at the 95m mark, the committee stop the race and says the race is done! Well.. wait... you didn't tell me this was a 95m race. This started off as 100, but you changed the rules at the last possible second! This of course negatively affects some people, and positively affects some people. The issue is the changing of the rules without warning the runners.
So I'm sure you see what I'm getting at. You may fault our strategies, and I get that. But I truly believe something should be done in response to changing the rules at the last second.
Again, I appreciate your devil's advocate stance. It is by debate such as this that we may have progress.
"Your Honour, the courtroom is a crucible. In it we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a pure product, the truth for all time."
I get that people are frustrated with the server issues, and i sympathise with people who spent money/resources that they feel were wasted. But I will point out that in cashing in your McGuffins at the last moments you are playing a high risk strategy, and risk sometimes means failure. There is always the chance your phone will die, or your internet fails, or you have to do something other than play the game at that time. The number of server issues recently is troubling, but sometimes things outside your control happen.
Full disclosure, on other threads I've advocated not being able to hold off cashing in the McGuffins, and systematic biases annoy me. On the race annalogy though, if a duck walks out onto the track and the race stops half way, you might not of trained to run 2 races in a row, but if they start it again you have to do it.
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, because there's bugger all down here on Earth.
-Monty Python, The Meaning of Life
As I do have sympathies to those who were close to Top 1000 and didn't make it, but I have to play "Devil's Advocate" here a little bit.
The event is going for 3 full days and while of course I'm not sure if everyone did that, but most held their McGuffins back on purpose to irritate the other players and make them think they're safe at 900th or so position 20 minutes before the end of the event.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes? Even in the last hour is already quite late, but an hour before event end, there would have been even less than half of the activity around and the server was running purrfectly fine back then.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes?
.
Exactly! This time the very people who attempt to pull the rug out from other players instead got swindled themselves. Then have the stones to cry the loudest. The Picard compensation fiasco was just a different "beef" all together.
I appreciate the comments dear captains, and I hope my analogy can sway you all just a hint.
Imagine you are running a 100m race. What you train for, is a 100m race. Not a 90m race, not a 110 meter race, but a 100 meter rate. You have had your own pace for years, and you almost always finish top 3 because you keep it steady during the 1-95 meters, and can ramp it up in the last 5 meters to get yourself that 3rd place. That's what your strategy always has been. Others with different physical traits run differently, and do much better or much worse than you. But all in all, you know your strategy works to do what needs to be done.
At the sound of the gun, you run like you normally do. Nothing changes for the beginning of the race, same thing for the middle of the race, and you keep your pace and you're comfortable. But, at the last second, at the 95m mark, the committee stop the race and says the race is done! Well.. wait... you didn't tell me this was a 95m race. This started off as 100, but you changed the rules at the last possible second! This of course negatively affects some people, and positively affects some people. The issue is the changing of the rules without warning the runners.
So I'm sure you see what I'm getting at. You may fault our strategies, and I get that. But I truly believe something should be done in response to changing the rules at the last second.
Again, I appreciate your devil's advocate stance. It is by debate such as this that we may have progress.
"Your Honour, the courtroom is a crucible. In it we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a pure product, the truth for all time."
I get that people are frustrated with the server issues, and i sympathise with people who spent money/resources that they feel were wasted. But I will point out that in cashing in your McGuffins at the last moments you are playing a high risk strategy, and risk sometimes means failure. There is always the chance your phone will die, or your internet fails, or you have to do something other than play the game at that time. The number of server issues recently is troubling, but sometimes things outside your control happen.
If something happens in your personal life like internet fails, phone dying, emergency etc - then it's not for DB to compensate. For example, they're not responsible for sleeping through my alarm and missing Romulan Data. Never seen a single player dispute that.
If it's due to an issue on DB's end, it's on them to compensate.
Pretty sure everyone affected by this is now fully aware of the risks of trusting that they'll have the advertised amount of time to play the event (or advertised anything, for that matter). Repeating it just seems like rubbing it in their face and assigning blame, even if it's done with positive intentions. It is known.
It's still a solid and wise strategy for galaxy events to avoid way overshooting and blowing all your resources to stay safe, because of DB's negligence thus far to give balance to and adapt the ranked rewards to account for influx and increased competition. At some ranks, it's necessary to essential. People are going to keep doing it. And it will continue to not be their fault if it bugs or crashes on DB's end in the future.
Considering how desperate people are to keep cashing in super-rares at the last minute you'd think there's be some advantage to it. But they keep insisting there would be no changes! How confusing. Is there or isn't there an advantage? If there is, be honest. If there isn't, don't worry about it.
As I do have sympathies to those who were close to Top 1000 and didn't make it, but I have to play "Devil's Advocate" here a little bit.
The event is going for 3 full days and while of course I'm not sure if everyone did that, but most held their McGuffins back on purpose to irritate the other players and make them think they're safe at 900th or so position 20 minutes before the end of the event.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes? Even in the last hour is already quite late, but an hour before event end, there would have been even less than half of the activity around and the server was running purrfectly fine back then.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes?
.
Exactly! This time the very people who attempt to pull the rug out from other players instead got swindled themselves. Then have the stones to cry the loudest. The Picard compensation fiasco was just a different "beef" all together.
I appreciate the comments dear captains, and I hope my analogy can sway you all just a hint.
Imagine you are running a 100m race. What you train for, is a 100m race. Not a 90m race, not a 110 meter race, but a 100 meter rate. You have had your own pace for years, and you almost always finish top 3 because you keep it steady during the 1-95 meters, and can ramp it up in the last 5 meters to get yourself that 3rd place. That's what your strategy always has been. Others with different physical traits run differently, and do much better or much worse than you. But all in all, you know your strategy works to do what needs to be done.
At the sound of the gun, you run like you normally do. Nothing changes for the beginning of the race, same thing for the middle of the race, and you keep your pace and you're comfortable. But, at the last second, at the 95m mark, the committee stop the race and says the race is done! Well.. wait... you didn't tell me this was a 95m race. This started off as 100, but you changed the rules at the last possible second! This of course negatively affects some people, and positively affects some people. The issue is the changing of the rules without warning the runners.
So I'm sure you see what I'm getting at. You may fault our strategies, and I get that. But I truly believe something should be done in response to changing the rules at the last second.
Again, I appreciate your devil's advocate stance. It is by debate such as this that we may have progress.
"Your Honour, the courtroom is a crucible. In it we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a pure product, the truth for all time."
I get that people are frustrated with the server issues, and i sympathise with people who spent money/resources that they feel were wasted. But I will point out that in cashing in your McGuffins at the last moments you are playing a high risk strategy, and risk sometimes means failure. There is always the chance your phone will die, or your internet fails, or you have to do something other than play the game at that time. The number of server issues recently is troubling, but sometimes things outside your control happen.
If something happens in your personal life like internet fails, phone dying, emergency etc - then it's not for DB to compensate. For example, they're not responsible for sleeping through my alarm and missing Romulan Data. Never seen a single player dispute that.
If it's due to an issue on DB's end, it's on them to compensate.
Pretty sure everyone affected by this is now fully aware of the risks of trusting that they'll have the advertised amount of time to play the event (or advertised anything, for that matter). Repeating it just seems like rubbing it in their face and assigning blame, even if it's done with positive intentions. It is known.
It's still a solid and wise strategy for galaxy events to avoid way overshooting and blowing all your resources to stay safe, because of DB's negligence thus far to give balance to and adapt the ranked rewards to account for influx and increased competition. At some ranks, it's necessary to essential. People are going to keep doing it. And it will continue to not be their fault if it bugs or crashes on DB's end in the future.
Well I agree with you on the need to adapt the reward structure, and most of your signature, but I think we'll just have to disagree on the rest. I'm not trying to assign blame, and I'm not trying to rub anyone's face in it (I dislike the sentiment of some previous posts). I am saying that demanding massive compensation might be an overreaction. Yes this doesn't affect me the same way, (although there's a decent chance if they were handing out freebies I'd get a Troi). I can't sit on my phone as the event finishes, which **tsk tsk** for me every week. It does lead me to appreciate that not everything in game will go exactly the way I want it to. And again I'll say, risk vs reward. You're advocating an inherently not safe strategy, if it relies on the last 5 mins of an event, on a complex realtime system known to occasionally be buggy. This time it didn't work out.
Am I concerned at the number of server issues recently? Definitely, and I expect (well, if I'm honest I'm just hoping) they're working to fix this. But there's no malice in the server going down, and I think they tried to give a substantial gift in Picard >face palm< regarding these issues. I just figure the ladder is how you ended up compared to other players on the day. It's a level playing field as long as it happens to everyone.
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, because there's bugger all down here on Earth.
-Monty Python, The Meaning of Life
As I do have sympathies to those who were close to Top 1000 and didn't make it, but I have to play "Devil's Advocate" here a little bit.
The event is going for 3 full days and while of course I'm not sure if everyone did that, but most held their McGuffins back on purpose to irritate the other players and make them think they're safe at 900th or so position 20 minutes before the end of the event.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes? Even in the last hour is already quite late, but an hour before event end, there would have been even less than half of the activity around and the server was running purrfectly fine back then.
Those are the ones that made the server crash, because it was a huge amount of interactions going on in those final 20 or so minutes. And honestly, I have zero sympathy for those. There is sooo much time to get those McGuffins converted to Victory Points, dear people! Why do you have to do it in the last frickin' 20 minutes?
.
Exactly! This time the very people who attempt to pull the rug out from other players instead got swindled themselves. Then have the stones to cry the loudest. The Picard compensation fiasco was just a different "beef" all together.
I appreciate the comments dear captains, and I hope my analogy can sway you all just a hint.
Imagine you are running a 100m race. What you train for, is a 100m race. Not a 90m race, not a 110 meter race, but a 100 meter rate. You have had your own pace for years, and you almost always finish top 3 because you keep it steady during the 1-95 meters, and can ramp it up in the last 5 meters to get yourself that 3rd place. That's what your strategy always has been. Others with different physical traits run differently, and do much better or much worse than you. But all in all, you know your strategy works to do what needs to be done.
At the sound of the gun, you run like you normally do. Nothing changes for the beginning of the race, same thing for the middle of the race, and you keep your pace and you're comfortable. But, at the last second, at the 95m mark, the committee stop the race and says the race is done! Well.. wait... you didn't tell me this was a 95m race. This started off as 100, but you changed the rules at the last possible second! This of course negatively affects some people, and positively affects some people. The issue is the changing of the rules without warning the runners.
So I'm sure you see what I'm getting at. You may fault our strategies, and I get that. But I truly believe something should be done in response to changing the rules at the last second.
Again, I appreciate your devil's advocate stance. It is by debate such as this that we may have progress.
"Your Honour, the courtroom is a crucible. In it we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a pure product, the truth for all time."
I get that people are frustrated with the server issues, and i sympathise with people who spent money/resources that they feel were wasted. But I will point out that in cashing in your McGuffins at the last moments you are playing a high risk strategy, and risk sometimes means failure. There is always the chance your phone will die, or your internet fails, or you have to do something other than play the game at that time. The number of server issues recently is troubling, but sometimes things outside your control happen.
Full disclosure, on other threads I've advocated not being able to hold off cashing in the McGuffins, and systematic biases annoy me. On the race annalogy though, if a duck walks out onto the track and the race stops half way, you might not of trained to run 2 races in a row, but if they start it again you have to do it.
I would absolutely welcome the chance to re-do the event. I would not change my strategy of course, seeing how it's worked well for me. As long as they guarantee that it continues to be a 100m race and not a 95m or a duck infested one.
Considering how desperate people are to keep cashing in super-rares at the last minute you'd think there's be some advantage to it. But they keep insisting there would be no changes! How confusing. Is there or isn't there an advantage? If there is, be honest. If there isn't, don't worry about it.
There is a small advantage point wise to cashing them all in during phase two of a galaxy.
The advantage to turning them in at the very end is partly knowledge based and psychological.
The knowledge based part is you are the only person to know what your full score is, so others are likely to invest enough resources to surpass your displayed score but not the full score with rares.
Psychologically, You are also less likely to not invest enough resources since if you stay at the rank you want without rares, then with them you won't underperform. While if your rank is overstated by turning in early you may choose to invest chrons elsewhere since you feel safer than you actually are.
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The correct solution is murky at best. Everyone agrees top players should receive something but how much? I'd lean toward increasing everyone's tier, not just <1000 etc. Everyone. We all experienced the outage, we all shared the same fate.
Lastly, it's nobody's place to tell other players how to play. Hold your vp, don't hold them, whatever works, God bless. I've had issues on my own end that kicked me offline at the end of an event. So I learned the hard way to never expect a 100% connection at critical times. I've never held my vp but I would never rule out trying it. I've just never finished so high that it mattered.
I get that people are frustrated with the server issues, and i sympathise with people who spent money/resources that they feel were wasted. But I will point out that in cashing in your McGuffins at the last moments you are playing a high risk strategy, and risk sometimes means failure. There is always the chance your phone will die, or your internet fails, or you have to do something other than play the game at that time. The number of server issues recently is troubling, but sometimes things outside your control happen.
Full disclosure, on other threads I've advocated not being able to hold off cashing in the McGuffins, and systematic biases annoy me. On the race annalogy though, if a duck walks out onto the track and the race stops half way, you might not of trained to run 2 races in a row, but if they start it again you have to do it.
-Monty Python, The Meaning of Life
If something happens in your personal life like internet fails, phone dying, emergency etc - then it's not for DB to compensate. For example, they're not responsible for sleeping through my alarm and missing Romulan Data. Never seen a single player dispute that.
If it's due to an issue on DB's end, it's on them to compensate.
Pretty sure everyone affected by this is now fully aware of the risks of trusting that they'll have the advertised amount of time to play the event (or advertised anything, for that matter). Repeating it just seems like rubbing it in their face and assigning blame, even if it's done with positive intentions. It is known.
It's still a solid and wise strategy for galaxy events to avoid way overshooting and blowing all your resources to stay safe, because of DB's negligence thus far to give balance to and adapt the ranked rewards to account for influx and increased competition. At some ranks, it's necessary to essential. People are going to keep doing it. And it will continue to not be their fault if it bugs or crashes on DB's end in the future.
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Well I agree with you on the need to adapt the reward structure, and most of your signature, but I think we'll just have to disagree on the rest. I'm not trying to assign blame, and I'm not trying to rub anyone's face in it (I dislike the sentiment of some previous posts). I am saying that demanding massive compensation might be an overreaction. Yes this doesn't affect me the same way, (although there's a decent chance if they were handing out freebies I'd get a Troi). I can't sit on my phone as the event finishes, which **tsk tsk** for me every week. It does lead me to appreciate that not everything in game will go exactly the way I want it to. And again I'll say, risk vs reward. You're advocating an inherently not safe strategy, if it relies on the last 5 mins of an event, on a complex realtime system known to occasionally be buggy. This time it didn't work out.
Am I concerned at the number of server issues recently? Definitely, and I expect (well, if I'm honest I'm just hoping) they're working to fix this. But there's no malice in the server going down, and I think they tried to give a substantial gift in Picard >face palm< regarding these issues. I just figure the ladder is how you ended up compared to other players on the day. It's a level playing field as long as it happens to everyone.
-Monty Python, The Meaning of Life
I would absolutely welcome the chance to re-do the event. I would not change my strategy of course, seeing how it's worked well for me. As long as they guarantee that it continues to be a 100m race and not a 95m or a duck infested one.
There is a small advantage point wise to cashing them all in during phase two of a galaxy.
The advantage to turning them in at the very end is partly knowledge based and psychological.
The knowledge based part is you are the only person to know what your full score is, so others are likely to invest enough resources to surpass your displayed score but not the full score with rares.
Psychologically, You are also less likely to not invest enough resources since if you stay at the rank you want without rares, then with them you won't underperform. While if your rank is overstated by turning in early you may choose to invest chrons elsewhere since you feel safer than you actually are.