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Admiral Division - How to maintain Rank?

Jim SteeleJim Steele ✭✭✭✭✭
So having played until 12 midnight (UK Time), I managed to get up to 5th in the Admiral Division, enough to get 120 schematics, or so I thought.

Wake up in the morning to find myself down at 2500th position and only get 100. This keeps happening to me.

Is my maxed out Bird of Prey with all Legendary characters not enough? (Only 2 are 4/5*) or am I just doomed to failure unless I become an insomniac due to the games rubbish AI and timezone issues?

Jim

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  • [7TW] UnkieB[7TW] UnkieB ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know that there is a good way. I got up to the 270's 5 minutes before the arena turn over the other night and still got dumped down to the 1500's with not enough time to do anything about it right before the arena closed out. It's not usually quite that bad, but I often find myself having gotten into the top 1% about half an hour before rewards only to have to keep checking and having to win another battle or two with 10 min left. If I'm on great, but not going to do too much hoop jumping for an extra 20 schems.
  • IvanstoneIvanstone ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't use any Legendaries in my BoP, only 4/4's. Sometimes I get face punched over night, sometimes I don't. There have been a few occasions where I just idled under 1000 for a few days because either my ship was good on defense or I got randomly ignored.

    Usually I try to hit the achievement around lunch time (CST) and save my remaining tickets for late afternoon or evening just to keep placement if necessary. I only do 1 ticket each in the other divisions because I don't feel like keeping around superfluous cadets or fighting BorgSpherapolooza.
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  • Grant77Grant77 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    I maintain rank with only 4*s and a 3/5*. It's just a matter of experimenting and finding a good setup. Think about how you would attack your own ship.

    For a specific tip, never leave instant damage characters like T'Kuvma and Chaotica on your ship overnight. Those ships are easy pickings and rarely even penetrate my shields, as you just cloak on them.

    Also, try ending the night at a lower rank like 200. It seems to garner fewer attacks. The multiples of 500 (top 10, 500, 1000), I always drop very fast.
  • [BL] Q [BL] Q ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jim Steele wrote: »
    So having played until 12 midnight (UK Time), I managed to get up to 5th in the Admiral Division, enough to get 120 schematics, or so I thought.

    Wake up in the morning to find myself down at 2500th position and only get 100. This keeps happening to me.

    Is my maxed out Bird of Prey with all Legendary characters not enough? (Only 2 are 4/5*) or am I just doomed to failure unless I become an insomniac due to the games rubbish AI and timezone issues?

    Jim

    Maintain rank around 350-500 and you'll stay there for a few hours if you're top 50 you'll lose rank in mins to 1500-2000
  • I don't know the answer. I've stayed in the Top 1% almost entirely since I first reached it months and months ago and rarely use all ten tickets. Maybe once every month or two I'll wake up just outside of 1% but it's very rare.

    I use the ISS Enterprise with three 5/5 and one 4/4.
  • I have a similar problem (I'm in the UK too and there's no chance of me being up at midnight when the event ends). I can often get to number 1 in the admiral division at some point in the day, but obviously never finish there at the end. I don't actually mind so much, but one thing that does confuse me is that the AI is supposed to play 'like you do' (I read that somewhere, can't remember where). But if that really is the case, then why doesn't the AI version of me keep a high rank? I keep the same crew and play in exactly the same way depending on which ship I'm battling.
  • [SSR] GTMET[SSR] GTMET ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find BOPs the most common ship and easiest to kill against the computer, and thus I optimized my ISS to hunt them down. As such, I refresh until I see one and then kill it ~90% of the time. I find I don't fall anywhere near as much as you do since I think other ships are less reliant on piloting to hold their own.

    To echo Wizz: Maybe try a different ship?
  • Capt. ChaosCapt. Chaos ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can't maintain a high rank, the AI is too stupid. Everyday I start between 2000 and 3000 and fight back to first place. I try to do it just before the switch.
  • edited January 2018
    You can't maintain a high rank, the AI is too stupid. Everyday I start between 2000 and 3000 and fight back to first place. I try to do it just before the switch.

    Yes, you can as I mentioned in my post above. I can count on one had the number of times I've woken up with a rank lower than 1000 in the Admiral's Division.

    Get the right ship with the right crew and don't trust the numbers. I've tried with crew that get a stat of 20 or 21 and they're horrible compared to crew with a stat of 17 or 18.
  • Hunter247Hunter247 ✭✭✭✭
    I have gone head to head with an identical ship and crew and yet been blown out of the sky before I have been able to bring out the big guns. The Arena throws out these weird results at times and slipping a level is all to easy

    With the lower bands I play once a week and I don't slip at all as I expect most people do exactly the same as me
  • AmphistaffAmphistaff ✭✭✭✭✭
    It all depends on the abilities of your crew. I've been going with a high crit build that has worked really well on offense and serves well on defense. There are some BOPs that I fight that I don't think I'll ever stand a chance. If you can time two Evasion dudes so their abilities trigger right after the other ends, you should be in good shape. Always having 18+ evasion usually keeps you from losing.
  • Grant77Grant77 ✭✭✭✭
    I find BOPs the most common ship and easiest to kill against the computer, and thus I optimized my ISS to hunt them down. As such, I refresh until I see one and then kill it ~90% of the time. I find I don't fall anywhere near as much as you do since I think other ships are less reliant on piloting to hold their own.

    To echo Wizz: Maybe try a different ship?

    That's funny because I seek out the ISS and D'Kora with my BoP and kill them very easily. The lack of a cloak is a death blow for it's defense and they get pummeled very easily. The smartest move, perhaps, is to use a different ship and crew for overnight, but I don't know the right strategy just yet.

  • MagisseMagisse ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grant77 wrote: »
    I find BOPs the most common ship and easiest to kill against the computer, and thus I optimized my ISS to hunt them down. As such, I refresh until I see one and then kill it ~90% of the time. I find I don't fall anywhere near as much as you do since I think other ships are less reliant on piloting to hold their own.

    To echo Wizz: Maybe try a different ship?

    ...The smartest move, perhaps, is to use a different ship and crew for overnight, but I don't know the right strategy just yet.
    Maybe they could allow us to set a different ship/crew for offense and defense. It's just too clunky on the staffing screen, especially without some sort of "favorites" sorting to do this twice a day (or more).
  • Grant77 wrote: »
    I find BOPs the most common ship and easiest to kill against the computer, and thus I optimized my ISS to hunt them down. As such, I refresh until I see one and then kill it ~90% of the time. I find I don't fall anywhere near as much as you do since I think other ships are less reliant on piloting to hold their own.

    To echo Wizz: Maybe try a different ship?

    That's funny because I seek out the ISS and D'Kora with my BoP and kill them very easily. The lack of a cloak is a death blow for it's defense and they get pummeled very easily. The smartest move, perhaps, is to use a different ship and crew for overnight, but I don't know the right strategy just yet.

    I use a BoP myself and actively hunt down Borg cubes. If you have a Degra and you use him at *exactly* the right time you can pretty much guarantee to blow them up, often before your shield fails. It's usually quite violent but always fun!
  • [BL] Q wrote: »
    Maintain rank around 350-500 and you'll stay there for a few hours if you're top 50 you'll lose rank in mins to 1500-2000

    This. I usually fight the arena battles last thing at night and stop when my BoP reaches 400-600. That usually holds me a top 1% position overnight. Occasionally I drop outside of it, but I'd say 80% of the time I get the 120 schematics no probs. The higher you go, the more you're chosen for other people to stomp on.
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    I usually find that I go to bed around 150-200 and wake up anywhere from 150 to maybe 1600...it’s not really annoying for me because I’ve maxed out all of the free 5* ships and don’t care about the premium 5* ships except for the I.S.S. Defiant. I’ll start worrying more whenever that becomes the reward for the Admiral division.

    FWIW: I use the HMS Bounty with Crell Moset, Captain Scott, Rura Penthe Reed, and 1701 Jadzia.
  • Between the cloak, Labourer Spock and Formal Dress Wesley, I can keep up a continuous defence boost as long as I time it right. Then I use Mirror Bashir for his +10 attack and Mirror Phlox for his 200% damage.
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  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Arena is just a boring obligation to me at this point.
    I miss the times when we had the Borg Sphere and Hirogen Warship schematics as prizes, since then all the ships in the arena are ones I've had FF'd.

    So arena for me now is nothing more than part of the daily mission to get the 200 honour.
    I just tap the arena battle to start and let it fail because it's not a fun part of the game so no need for me to put in actual effort to it. When the ship schematics roll around again to ships I need schematics for (e.g. Shenzhou, Hirogen Warship, Borg Sphere, K't'inga, T'Ong, USS Discovery) then I'll put in a bit more work, but I still think the arena is one of the poorly done parts of this game, there is absolutely nothing exciting about it.
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  • Frank?Frank? ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a weird answer -
    It's just the same 4000ish people trading places, day in and day out. Each successful ticket you run pushes you 435ish spots closer to #1. And then the moment you rest, someone across the world just refreshed their available opponents and randomly, blindly chose you. And you fell.

    I run an NX-01 which, with me at the controls, will not lose a PVP battle. I can take #1 in my sleep. It cuts through any Cube, any BoP, any ISS.

    Put it on defense and it sinks faster than the Titanic. Which took a few hours to sink.
  • edited January 2018
    I tend to hover around the threshold between top 5% and top 1% (there's no benefit to being rank 1 except for bragging rights but it means everybody has you in their sights - less so if you're just on the threshold).

    Reset for the Arena battles is 5.50am UTC so if you want to guarantee your position you need to be up about 5.30am UTC so you can grind to your desired position, then I usually run an extra battle (even if I'm where I need to be) in the last couple of minutes so that my ship is 'busy' as reset approaches and so can't get sniped.

    I've done this for the last few months with great success.
  • The arena, in many ways, is a very stale aspect of the game. There is some control over the results of each battle, but even when you do get to #1, ths stay is woefully short. I peraonally don't use any immortalized legendary crew for the arena--the crew of my BoP is all super rare and I get to #1 every day in 2-3 tickets.
    A maxed 5* ship + crew ability + your timing. The BoP is the most predominant ship. Look at the leaderboards and see what other's are using for crew in the ship you want to use and go from there.
  • What are some good crew setups? I sat out the events with characters I didn't like, such as T'Kuvma and Mirror Picard, and now they're all I see in the admiral division, and I just can't stay afloat.

    On the bright side, it finally got competitive again, at least in admiral. For a while there I didn't have to play daily and would still rake in the schematics.
  • edited January 2018
    I have yet to lose to a ship with either. You'd be surprised at what you can do with the right crew and timing.
  • Grant77Grant77 ✭✭✭✭
    What are some good crew setups? I sat out the events with characters I didn't like, such as T'Kuvma and Mirror Picard, and now they're all I see in the admiral division, and I just can't stay afloat.

    On the bright side, it finally got competitive again, at least in admiral. For a while there I didn't have to play daily and would still rake in the schematics.

    Anything with Borg Tuvok on the Bounty should get you #1 fairly easily. Cloak through their attacks and unleash heII for 15 seconds. Mirror Phlox and 1701 Jadzia/Formal Wesley are nice complements to Tuvok that you may have.

    T'Kuvma is the worst character that commonly appears in arena, so don't feel bad for missing out. I target ships with him every time and never lose.
  • [BL] Q [BL] Q ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grant77 wrote: »
    What are some good crew setups? I sat out the events with characters I didn't like, such as T'Kuvma and Mirror Picard, and now they're all I see in the admiral division, and I just can't stay afloat.

    On the bright side, it finally got competitive again, at least in admiral. For a while there I didn't have to play daily and would still rake in the schematics.

    Anything with Borg Tuvok on the Bounty should get you #1 fairly easily. Cloak through their attacks and unleash heII for 15 seconds. Mirror Phlox and 1701 Jadzia/Formal Wesley are nice complements to Tuvok that you may have.

    T'Kuvma is the worst character that commonly appears in arena, so don't feel bad for missing out. I target ships with him every time and never lose.

    Getting #1 for 20 seconds and spending 2 tickets to reclimb the rank is just a waste of daily tickets and your time. Aim for top 250 and you won't have to run another ticket for the rest of the day
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    [BL] Q wrote: »

    Getting #1 for 20 seconds and spending 2 tickets to reclimb the rank is just a waste of daily tickets and your time. Aim for top 250 and you won't have to run another ticket for the rest of the day

    This has been my plan for a while now, yet in the last two days I've been getting dropped down below 2000 in a matter of hours. It **tsk tsk** and I haven’t made any changes that would explain it.
  • Capt. ChaosCapt. Chaos ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've earned over 120K credits in a day by beating the top five, so there is that.
  • [BL] Q [BL] Q ✭✭✭✭✭
    [BL] Q wrote: »

    Getting #1 for 20 seconds and spending 2 tickets to reclimb the rank is just a waste of daily tickets and your time. Aim for top 250 and you won't have to run another ticket for the rest of the day

    This has been my plan for a while now, yet in the last two days I've been getting dropped down below 2000 in a matter of hours. It *hugs* and I haven’t made any changes that would explain it.

    NX class schems have more competition in the division once the rewards are changed back to schems that you can get in regular packs there will be less competition amongst the top 1%
  • The problem is the arena system is so cumbersome. Severely needs an update
    Jack Mitchell
  • MagisseMagisse ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've earned over 120K credits in a day by beating the top five, so there is that.
    This. 15k when you claim the top spot isn't too shabby. Get knocked out, and grab another 15k for winning it back.
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