There was the one where they had a cloaked Romulan mine attached to the hull. And when there was the ship of dead crew that were having their fluids drained. But I’m pretty sure he was at least in his 40s for those episodes
Those were the two I was thinking of...the cloaked Romulan mine episode also featured Archer having to deal with Reed having a breakdown and almost dying.
The fluid-draining one also featured "holy crap I'm outta here" Hoshi that he had to deal with. Plus creepy dead bodies.
So not only was he definitely not 14, he was also most certainly not that relaxed and suave looking.
And if it's not intended to be from a specific episode, why the "desperate" trait?
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I'm guessing he was intended to be from Observer Effect, and then they changed their minds.
But then why would he have Desperate and Jury Rigger as traits? I mean, desperate yes, but Jury Rigger? Also the most notable thing he did in the EV suit IIRC was deal with dead Hoshi. That is not the face of someone dealing with dead Hoshi.
I was trying to avoid spoilers, but since we're discussing details: Archer spent an extended period of Observer Effect in his suit without a helmet on, and was visibly in distress for much of that time.
Haven't seen the full picture of Archer yet, but if he doesn't have gloves on that would make OE more likely than the Romulan mine episode, all of which is a moot point given the face they tacked on.
There was the one where they had a cloaked Romulan mine attached to the hull. And when there was the ship of dead crew that were having their fluids drained. But I’m pretty sure he was at least in his 40s for those episodes
Those were the two I was thinking of...the cloaked Romulan mine episode also featured Archer having to deal with Reed having a breakdown and almost dying.
The fluid-draining one also featured "holy crap I'm outta here" Hoshi that he had to deal with. Plus creepy dead bodies.
So not only was he definitely not 14, he was also most certainly not that relaxed and suave looking.
And if it's not intended to be from a specific episode, why the "desperate" trait?
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I'm guessing he was intended to be from Observer Effect, and then they changed their minds.
But then why would he have Desperate and Jury Rigger as traits? I mean, desperate yes, but Jury Rigger? Also the most notable thing he did in the EV suit IIRC was deal with dead Hoshi. That is not the face of someone dealing with dead Hoshi.
I was trying to avoid spoilers, but since we're discussing details: Archer spent an extended period of Observer Effect in his suit without a helmet on, and was visibly in distress for much of that time.
Haven't seen the full picture of Archer yet, but if he doesn't have gloves on that would make OE more likely than the Romulan mine episode, all of which is a moot point given the face they tacked on.
I think we can discuss spoilers of a 15 year old show :P
But yes, that was my point. He was visibly in distress. Not that super chill face they gave him.
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C'mon folks — complaining about artwork that's actually pretty decent (as EV Suit Archer is) only weakens our complaints about truly bad artwork.
No, not really. Noting that the art suffers from several of the problems we told them were sticking points lets DB know that we do pay attention and do care when it's a core character vs. complaining because it's a variant from a comic book.
Came here looking to enjoy some flaming on this new and awful artwork - the reaction isn't nearly as bad as I thought. People are getting soft...
Sadly, the proprietor of the Pitchfork Emporium has been down with the flu for over a week. The store hasn't been open and, quite frankly, I don't want to be near him if he's contagious.
When he's cleared by his Doctor, whom i assume is actually a doctor and not someone with the trait "Doctor", he will return and open the store.
The line is wrapped around the block. Few of us have been camped out for days. It's like it's Black Friday or something.
There was the one where they had a cloaked Romulan mine attached to the hull. And when there was the ship of dead crew that were having their fluids drained. But I’m pretty sure he was at least in his 40s for those episodes
Those were the two I was thinking of...the cloaked Romulan mine episode also featured Archer having to deal with Reed having a breakdown and almost dying.
The fluid-draining one also featured "holy crap I'm outta here" Hoshi that he had to deal with. Plus creepy dead bodies.
So not only was he definitely not 14, he was also most certainly not that relaxed and suave looking.
And if it's not intended to be from a specific episode, why the "desperate" trait?
Mild Spoiler:
I'm guessing he was intended to be from Observer Effect, and then they changed their minds.
But then why would he have Desperate and Jury Rigger as traits? I mean, desperate yes, but Jury Rigger? Also the most notable thing he did in the EV suit IIRC was deal with dead Hoshi. That is not the face of someone dealing with dead Hoshi.
I was trying to avoid spoilers, but since we're discussing details: Archer spent an extended period of Observer Effect in his suit without a helmet on, and was visibly in distress for much of that time.
Haven't seen the full picture of Archer yet, but if he doesn't have gloves on that would make OE more likely than the Romulan mine episode, all of which is a moot point given the face they tacked on.
I think we can discuss spoilers of a 15 year old show :P
But yes, that was my point. He was visibly in distress. Not that super chill face they gave him.
Lol considering we had some 'oops' spoiling DS9 earlier, lol.
I think it's absolutely outrageous that Scott Bakula dares....DARES.... to play different characters USING HIS OWN ACTUAL FACE. I mean what sort of idiot does that? It would be just like if Shatner played Kirk and Denny Crane with the exact same face; people would get confused, right?
Always seems silly to say, "hey db, these two drawings of the exact same person look the same." What should db do, change what the actor's face look like to appease people? Give the second drawing a potato martok head or other bad artwork?
I think it's absolutely outrageous that Scott Bakula dares....DARES.... to play different characters USING HIS OWN ACTUAL FACE. I mean what sort of idiot does that? It would be just like if Shatner played Kirk and Denny Crane with the exact same face; people would get confused, right?
I don't really understand what you're referring to...no one here complained about him being in Quantum Leap, only that the art makes him look much younger than he actually did during Enterprise.
Always seems silly to say, "hey db, these two drawings of the exact same person look the same." What should db do, change what the actor's face look like to appease people? Give the second drawing a potato martok head or other bad artwork?
In the case of COP Founder and North Star Archer, they did legitimately seem to be the same face, pixel-by-pixel. It's not that the two drawings looked the same, it's that the face seemed to be a cut-and-paste asset they were just going to re-use over and over again.
In this case, it seemed like maybe they had done the same thing, but it turns out they didn't, so people stopped commenting on that. The main complaint is that his face just doesn't look right expression-wise and he looks way too young.
Again, not sure whom your comment was directed at...
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It was a general, and somewhat sarcastic, comment made to those complaining that two characters (played by the same actor) look the same. Are you really surprised that two characters have the same 'pixel-by-pixel' face when they are both played by the same actor who literally has the same atom-by-atom face.
Next there'll be complaints that both characters sound the same...
Came here looking to enjoy some flaming on this new and awful artwork - the reaction isn't nearly as bad as I thought. People are getting soft...
I think it's easy to be softer about it after the mirror Data debacle... that art was the lowest the bar could possibly be so everything now pales in comparison... Maybe that was DB's plan all along? Set that bar loooooooooooooooow?
It was a general, and somewhat sarcastic, comment made to those complaining that two characters (played by the same actor) look the same. Are you really surprised that two characters have the same 'pixel-by-pixel' face when they are both played by the same actor who literally has the same atom-by-atom face.
Next there'll be complaints that both characters sound the same...
I'm not surprised that someone with the same face looks the same *eye roll*. No one is complaining that Enterprise-D Picard has the same face (Patrick Stewart's face) as Enterprise-E Picard.
The complaint is that it looks like they literally cut the face off one drawing of Archer and pasted it onto another. Meaning DB's artists were being lazy, and it looks noticeably weird/out of place.
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I agree that though with the recycled face it actually does look like Archer (unlike some of the other reworked art) it makes for an awkward facial expression and it does not seem to connect to the body as well.
Ah - saying 'calling collect' means you're probably an American, which explains why you don't really understand sarcasm. I will be careful to be more literal with you in future.
Ah - saying 'calling collect' means you're probably an American, which explains why you don't really understand sarcasm. I will be careful to be more literal with you in future.
So, first you seem to be offended by my eye roll, which was simply a response to your sarcasm that heavily implied I had a mental deficiency. Nice.
Second, you decide to insult an entire country of people. You're on a roll.
And to clarify, my eye roll was prompted by your hyperbole that not only implied I (and others) were simpletons, but also seemed to be based upon your complete lack of understanding of what was actually being said; I don't see why you think that entitles you to tell me off.
Anyways, conversing with your further will likely be unpleasant. Have a nice day.
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You appear to have read far more into my words than the text actually said. I'm guessing you are a teenager. Am I right?
I read your words as you wrote them. I see no problem in trying to figure out what a person is saying/implying behind their sarcasm.
And no, I am not a teenager, but thanks for being consistent about making assumptions about people you're talking to in order to dismiss/invalidate them.
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You appear to have read far more into my words than the text actually said. I'm guessing you are a teenager. Am I right?
I disagree. You insulted all Americans and to that I say eff u
All Americans? All of them? You speak for all of them? You should run for president!
And I would tell my 7 year old off for saying 'eff u', it's the kind of thing they wouldn't understand but would find funny.
I'll leave that with you.
You said Americans have no understanding. I will leave it at that because this post will be closed now by someone who barely comes on here, doesn’t answer our questions, but puts a stop to our discussions.
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I was trying to avoid spoilers, but since we're discussing details: Archer spent an extended period of Observer Effect in his suit without a helmet on, and was visibly in distress for much of that time.
Haven't seen the full picture of Archer yet, but if he doesn't have gloves on that would make OE more likely than the Romulan mine episode, all of which is a moot point given the face they tacked on.
I think we can discuss spoilers of a 15 year old show :P
But yes, that was my point. He was visibly in distress. Not that super chill face they gave him.
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Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
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No, not really. Noting that the art suffers from several of the problems we told them were sticking points lets DB know that we do pay attention and do care when it's a core character vs. complaining because it's a variant from a comic book.
Sadly, the proprietor of the Pitchfork Emporium has been down with the flu for over a week. The store hasn't been open and, quite frankly, I don't want to be near him if he's contagious.
When he's cleared by his Doctor, whom i assume is actually a doctor and not someone with the trait "Doctor", he will return and open the store.
The line is wrapped around the block. Few of us have been camped out for days. It's like it's Black Friday or something.
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Lol considering we had some 'oops' spoiling DS9 earlier, lol.
I don't really understand what you're referring to...no one here complained about him being in Quantum Leap, only that the art makes him look much younger than he actually did during Enterprise.
In the case of COP Founder and North Star Archer, they did legitimately seem to be the same face, pixel-by-pixel. It's not that the two drawings looked the same, it's that the face seemed to be a cut-and-paste asset they were just going to re-use over and over again.
In this case, it seemed like maybe they had done the same thing, but it turns out they didn't, so people stopped commenting on that. The main complaint is that his face just doesn't look right expression-wise and he looks way too young.
Again, not sure whom your comment was directed at...
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Next there'll be complaints that both characters sound the same...
I think it's easy to be softer about it after the mirror Data debacle... that art was the lowest the bar could possibly be so everything now pales in comparison... Maybe that was DB's plan all along? Set that bar loooooooooooooooow?
I'm not surprised that someone with the same face looks the same *eye roll*. No one is complaining that Enterprise-D Picard has the same face (Patrick Stewart's face) as Enterprise-E Picard.
The complaint is that it looks like they literally cut the face off one drawing of Archer and pasted it onto another. Meaning DB's artists were being lazy, and it looks noticeably weird/out of place.
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Lol, pot calling kettle collect.
Ah - saying 'calling collect' means you're probably an American, which explains why you don't really understand sarcasm. I will be careful to be more literal with you in future.
So, first you seem to be offended by my eye roll, which was simply a response to your sarcasm that heavily implied I had a mental deficiency. Nice.
Second, you decide to insult an entire country of people. You're on a roll.
And to clarify, my eye roll was prompted by your hyperbole that not only implied I (and others) were simpletons, but also seemed to be based upon your complete lack of understanding of what was actually being said; I don't see why you think that entitles you to tell me off.
Anyways, conversing with your further will likely be unpleasant. Have a nice day.
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I read your words as you wrote them. I see no problem in trying to figure out what a person is saying/implying behind their sarcasm.
And no, I am not a teenager, but thanks for being consistent about making assumptions about people you're talking to in order to dismiss/invalidate them.
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I disagree. You insulted all Americans and to that I say eff u
Did we not learn anything from Mirror Voq?
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The post that had the artwork for the event.
Why can't they just rehire the original artist?
At least according to this link
https://mikegardnerart.deviantart.com/
he is still a freelancer for DB. Let´s hope he will do some stuff soon again...
All Americans? All of them? You speak for all of them? You should run for president!
And I would tell my 7 year old off for saying 'eff u', it's the kind of thing they wouldn't understand but would find funny.
I'll leave that with you.
You said Americans have no understanding. I will leave it at that because this post will be closed now by someone who barely comes on here, doesn’t answer our questions, but puts a stop to our discussions.
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