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Aside from whatever the featured skill or traits, who in your opinion are the best Gauntlet crew?
I cannot speak for every character, but I have Kahless the Unforgettable, Bartender Guinan, and Seven of Nine are in every gauntlet for me, the other two folks rotate based on skills/traits. I wish I had Locutus!
I cannot speak for every character, but I have Kahless the Unforgettable, Bartender Guinan, and Seven of Nine are in every gauntlet for me, the other two folks rotate based on skills/traits. I wish I had Locutus!
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Guinan is my default MED but I'll use Mirror Troi, Mirror Phlox or Future Bashir if they have more traits for the Gauntlet.
Same for Mirror Picard, Kahless or Damar.
Locutus is probably the only one who always makes it because he's still the best triple threat and has a tonne of traits.
Not a perfect comparison, but here are your 20 strongest without considering traits:
Defensive Phlox
Gangster Spock
Assimilated La Forge
Seven of Nine
Kahless, the Unforgettable
Chancellor Gowron
Mademoiselle De Neuf
Sulan
Bartender Guinan
My default group (without someone having 45-65% crit, which changes picks) is:
Kahless, the Unforgettable
Bartender Guinan
Defensive Phlox
Assimilated La Forge
Mademoiselle De Neuf
Gangster Spock
Mirror Phlox
Bartender Guinan
Locutus
Mirror Picard
EV Suit Tucker
Mirror La Forge
Yarnek
Mirror Troi
I will occasionally bust out Captain Scott as well, but really only if ENG is the featured skill and one of his traits gets the bonus. Mirror La Forge had largely replaced him for me, such as Locutus has done for Abe Lincoln, Mirror Picard has done for Mirror Kirk, Yarnek has done for Dr. Soong, and Guinan has for Crell Moset. There are some other second-tier favorites like Mirror Bashir, Antaak, or the Changeling Founder that come up when the skills are just right.
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The problem with the chart is that it counts up to 3 skills. You need to discount the lowest skill for those with 3 because it never counts as the crews high roll.
Ex. 500+600+300 should only count as 1100 max. You can never roll 1400.
Assuming there is no bonus traits I always use
Then for last 2 spots it entirely depends on what the trait is. Normally for another Med I use Sulan over Mirror Phlox. I recently got Seven of Nine and have been wanting her for my gauntlet team for a long time; however, I have found that I don't find her overly useful in my last 2 spots unless Science is the primary skill.
I don't have Locutus but he would probably be on my always use list if I had him.
My thoughts are pretty simple. Using the list Peachtree Rex posted use anyone in the top 15 if you can. You start noticing a big drop in total skill after top 5 so it is important to have a couple of those. 2 skill characters are problematic and should be avoided if possible.
Whenever DB decides to come out with new honor hall and gauntlet characters it will be interesting to see how rotation changes because right now there aren't enough high end characters to see an big variance in structure.
His skills are 768 + 448 + 90 = 1306
Yes but it allows for variance. Sulan for example far exceeds Mirror Phlox because he can hit on either Command or Science along with Med, while Phlox can only also hit on Security. There is a higher chance in Sulan's getting a 2nd skill than Phlox.
I get what you are saying but I don't believe your method accounts for this and can result in negatively choosing crew members. I don't generally choose Mirror Picard but the fact that he has a 3rd skill (even though it is insanely low) is valuable. It increases the minimum roll you can get if it pops up.
The chart's a reflection of triple threat capacity rather than two skill roll.
Guinan is still probably the best two skill roll in the game but she's not a strong triple threat.
Locutus tops the chart because he is a genuine triple threat. He's the best DIPSCI, 2nd best DIPSEC and 3rd best SCISEC.
The chart would be a little better if it showed their triple average on one column and their best two roll average on another.
I use that one a lot
The list is average rolls. Your math is max rolls.
Also: these are averages and also take crit into account. If you make your one copy of the sheet, you can input three traits and it will weight them accordingly.
I would disagree with this. A large part of gauntlet is about covering all 15 stat pairs on defense. the rankings with third stats let you see an indication on which crew are going to be serviceable is 3 stat pairs instead of 1.
There is another tab in the lvl 100 spreadsheet that lets you enter in your lineup and it will calculate the average percent of max score in each stat pair. This is a resource to figure out your optimal lineup with no traits bonuses and also to use to customize lineups for gauntlets with large amounts of crew with trait matches
Ok, another example...
500+500+200. Or 400+400+400
Both = 1200 total. But guess which one averages more wins?
5(500+500)+5(500+200)=8500
10(400+400)=8000
What you're forgetting is this in not your only crew. You still have other overlapping crew to choose from. Its better to choose the crew with the 2 highest skills than one with 3 average skills, imo. Most times you'll never use the 3rd low skill because you'll have something better... If you choose your crew correctly.
That's said, I am more than happy to just agree to disagree. Everyone's strategy can be completely different and still work for them.
The utility of a given character is actually more dependent on the existance of other characters. I agree, the fully summed ranking is a ham-handed comparison, but its a simple one that is sufficient for most analysis (like a listing of the strongest, overall, gauntlet crew).
There are other, more in depth, analyses available in the same spreadsheet that require a lot more nuance than I have attention to justify here.
Except you will never cover all 15 possible pairs. It's mathematically impossible even if you only use crew with 3 skill pairs. So every 2 skill crew you chose is an extra 2 pairs that you won't have.
That being said, I try to look for the strongest at each single skill but like the crew to have 2 other skills. That way I have that strong primary skill even when it's on its own, but also have the two other skills to give a boost when the pairs come up.
Mirror Phlox, Bartender Guinan, Kahless the Unforgettable, Mirror Jean-Luc Picard, Seven of Nine, and Dr. Richard Daystrom
Those I encounter most are...
All the same above, but minus Dr. Richard Daystrom and add Locutus of Borg.
Rarely see much else.
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I do tend to mix them up, particulary when I know one character will get lots of crit bonuses.
Locutus is usually first on the list though and I can't remember a time when he's not been selected
Jim
Locutus of Borg
Bartender Guinan
Sulan
Here are my teams from the Gauntlets I've played since the beginning of the year, including the currently active one. I've noted any crit chance bonuses in that specific Gauntlet.
1/02 | ENG | Civilian, Cyberneticist, Explorer | Rank #13
Captain La Forge x25
The Professor x25
Aviator Yar
Leonardo da Vinci x25
Locutus of Borg x25
1/04 | MED |Romantic, Geneticist, Augment | Rank #14
Sulan x25
Bartender Guinan
Leonardo da Vinci
Wrathful Khan x25
Convergence Day Quark x25
1/06 | ENG | Romantic, Quantum Mechanics, Costumed | Rank #39
Lt Commander Jadzia Dax
Convergence Day Quark x45
Captain La Forge
Leonardo da Vinci
Mirror Geordi La Forge
1/08 | SEC | Hunter, Cyberneticist, Maquis | Rank #29
Locutus of Borg x25
Beowulf Kim
Sulan
GI Chakotay x45
Leonardo da Vinci
1/10 | CMD | Saboteur, Cardassian, Obsidian Order | Rank #3
Locutus of Borg
Commander Kira Nerys x25
Sulan
Lieutenant Valeris x25
Mirror Geordi La Forge x25
1/12 | DIP | Cardassian, Prodigy, Musician | Rank #59
Locutus of Borg
Bartender Guinan
Sulan
The Professor x25
Commander Kira Nerys
1/14 | SEC | Communicator, Maverick, Terran Empire | Rank #12
Mirror Phlox x25
Bartender Guinan x25
Mirror Jean-Luc Picard x45
Mirror Geordi La Forge x25
Mirror Uhura x45
1/16 | CMD | Explorer, Interrogator, Athlete| Rank #26
Locutus of Borg
Commander Kira Nerys
Sulan
Mirror Jean-Luc Picard
Beowulf Kim
1/18 | DIP | Romantic, Federation, Diplomat | Rank #17
Locutus of Borg x25
Commander Kira Nerys x25
Ambassador Spock x45
Doc Crusher x25
Lt Commander Jadzia Dax x25
1/20 | SEC | Brutal, Marksman, Villain | Rank #17
Locutus of Borg x25
Bartender Guinan x25
Sulan x25
Mirror Jean-Luc Picard x25
Beowulf Kim
1/22 | CMD | Cultural Figure, Klingon, Inspiring | Rank #8
Locutus of Borg x25
Leonardo da Vinci x45
Sulan
Kortar x45
Wrathful Khan x25
1/24 | DIP | Ferengi, Merchant, Communicator | Rank #3
Locutus of Borg x25
Bartender Guinan x25
Sulan
Mirror Geordi La Forge
Convergence Day Quark x65
1/26 | SEC | Desperate, Saboteur, Tactician | Rank #TBD
Lieutenant Valeris x25
Bartender Guinan
Sulan
Commander Kira Nerys x45
Mirror Geordi La Forge x25
Actually, your math is out a little, because it's not 2 configurations, it's 3. Let's use 6 runs as it divides better;
6 guantlet runs evenly distributed =2(A+B)+2(A+C)+2(B+C), which you can reconfigure as 4(A+B+C)
if A=500, B=500, C=200
2(500+500)+2(500+200)+2(500+200)=4800
If A=400, B=400, C=400
2(400+400)+2(400+400)+2(400+400)=4800
This of course ignores the prime skill, or skill pairs that are more competitive. My roster isn't deep enough that having a huge range of choice is a major problem, I'm fortunate with Kahless, Bartender Guinean, Mirror Phlox and Richard Daystrom, with the last dependant on what the prime skill is. Occasionally I'm able to sub in other crew with a couple of traits, but I often find the higher proficiency bonus is more useful.
-Monty Python, The Meaning of Life
The program cannot pick 200 twice for any battle.
If 2 out of 3 skills is 500, and it must pick pairs, then it will ALWAYS pick 500 plus another number. Theoretically, half of the time it will be 500+500... it cannot be avoided. Multiply it by any number of runs you want. But even once it's still 8.5 vs 8.0 average.
This assumes all things being equal such as predominant skill for gauntlet and crew availability. We must assume it's none of the skills involved or else all the equations go out the window because you're likely weighting crew for that reason alone.
He hasn't picked 200 twice in a single battle. There are three cases for each, A+B, A+C, and B+C. In all cases, the overall averages ends up being the same.
I don't dispute that a 500/500/200 character would be (usually) preferable to a 400/400/400 character. The case you haven't tacked is where only one of the three are matched. There, I'd much rather have 500/0 than 400/0. You just need to make sure that the "200" stat is covered by another character on your team, because a 200/0 would be pretty weak.
This is why I said earlier in the thread, absolute power isn't really the best measure of any individual character. Your best means of measuring them is by comparing them to each other. For me, Guinan has been a very weak character, because I also have Locutus and Mirror Phlox. Locutus + Mirror Phlox end up covering most of Guinans strengths well enough that I'd, usually, prefer to use that slot for someone else.
I don't understand your math. It's not the average of A+B, A+C, and B+C for every roll. Each roll is only comprised of 2 skills out of 3. So you don't add all 3 possibilities to get your average.
Out of the 3 possible skills it's either going to be 500+500 or 500+200... that's it's, and the odds are exactly the same. One of the 500's (A or
I'm sorry if I'm not explaining it very well.
All of that info (with up to date characters) are available in the spreadsheet I shared above.