Would you like to see any game system driven by factors different than RNG?
Would you like to see any game system driven by factors different than RNG? 92 votes
Very much, Yes
78%
72 votes
No, not at all
7%
7 votes
I have no opinion on the subject
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13 votes
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What do you mean by that?
In jest, it's a back handed way of saying that the wrong answer to "does this game need to be driven on occasion by something other than a poorly functioning random number generator", is no.
I'd like to retract my vote and delete all comments on this thread now.
The grass is greener on the other side and what not.
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I very much agree. What would be an alternative?
In Gauntlet you could have ranking points and have the legend awarded based on ranking over time (say a weekly or monthly basis)
Well, let's say you and your opponent choose freely five character cards out of your inventory. Let's also assume that what counts toward victory is only best skill's base number. Then you start a duel by choosing one of your cards. Your opponent need to answer with card which has a better base number. If he's able to do it he wins the round. If not he loses. Next round is started by a winner of the previous round.
That would mean new players with only 1 or 2* characters could play their best combo against similar players - people with massive amounts or 4 & 5* characters aren't going to unfreeze 1*'s just to compete (one would hope)
Thoughts?
The problem you’ll run into there is that many of us have the same cards FE. (Also, Gauntlet isn’t based upon base skill, so I’ll assume you mean proficiencies, unless you’re saying to change the entire foundation of it?)
So essentially it will come down to starbase bonuses, or it will be endless ties.
You also wouldn’t have a bonus for traits in there, so everyone will merely need to have the five cards with the best proficiencies in the game. Kahless for cmd, Defensive Phlox for med, etc.
Also, that would require interactions with other players in real time... which would be complicated and possibly weird. I often play when I have a few minutes of downtime in the middle of a task. If I have to wait for the other person, that becomes more of a time commitment. There’s also connection issues, given that many of us play on mobile devices.
That’s not a bad idea, though I’d recommend basing it on trophies over time rather than rank.
But are you suggesting that the current system in gauntlet stay the same, except for making the legendary based on rank/trophies? As in, we still get gauntlet boxes with blue trainers, chrons, items, etc, but not with the legendary?
Although, there is a rounds achievement that will give you LOB, which is sort of similar.
1. I said base skill and I meant base skill. Gauntlet is poorly designed. You don't want to base new system on Gauntlet.
2. Fact that many players have same cards FE won't be a problem because there is so many of them. And you can quite easily think of some additional rules involving secondary and/or tertiary skill. It would add even more flavour to the formula.
3. There won't be endless ties. Defeated player loses his/her card.
4. Interactions in real time with real human is the essence of my question. It's not a problem at all. It's just five round match. Beside you can easily develop a system involving predefined sequence of characters. You choose your five cards and arrange them in some order. Then you send a challnge to your opponent. Then your opponent may answer yoyr challnge at any time convinient for him with his own predefined sequence of cards. To make this predefined duel system funnier you can think of some additional rules, for example you can't set three same skill based cards in a row.
Defeated player loses his/her card?
As in, you lose them entirely forever?
No, not permanently. Only for this particular match.
Uh, nevermind.
.(then each victory awards at least 1 point with a chance for many more.. 2..10.. 100 could be the super "wow I got 100" not often thing.
(I see a point box that you open before the prize box which still could contain the super prize like it does now)
Streaks could count for more also
Wins 1-5, min Pointt = 1
Win 6-10 min Point = 1 streak bonus 1
Win 11-16 mn point = 1 streak bonus 2
Win 17-25 min Point = 1 streak bonus 3
Win 26+ min Point =1 streak bonus 4
So if you lock up a 30 win streak you looking at at about 94 points min, with a chance for more in each victory.
Every next star the points needed would rise by say 50 %
So 4000 points 1st star
6000 2nd
9000 3rd
13500 4th
20250 5th.
So If you want more then 1 star, your gonna need some good streaks and good luck in the point boxes.
I can also see extending the playable roster a bit.. maybe 6 selectable and for 10 Dilithium (doubling each time till next gauntlet) you can swap out a character. If you have used the character your swapping out in that refresh cycle the character you bring in is tired to same fatigue level so you can't swap an fatigued out card for a fresh)
When you get to equal or higher skilled opponents, the points go up accordingly. If you get knocked out, you drop a tier level, but never lose your points.
Winners move to the right, losers to the left. Characters fight in each tier back and forth during that stage. This is difficult to show in a 2D diagram, since this is a 3D approach, there is a lot you can't see. You probably need a flow chart for each character, but you get the idea, maybe? This also insures all players have a fair shot of winning.
This way, you have gauntlets running constantly, instead of being timed as well. Once you win or in top 5, maybe you have to sit out for a few hours or something before entering a new gauntlet. BUT once there is a winner declared, gauntlet over. Yes, I get that each tier would have to be timed somehow to give all players a fair shot.
I'd return to playing the gauntlet if a win gave one point/token to buy the gauntlet 5* let's say 150 tokens wins you a 1/5 every 150 wins as it currently stands I can breeze to #1 in every Gauntlet and have nothing to show for the achievement let alone cost of Dilithium/merits if I choose to use either currency (which I don't) what did it for me was seven Gauntlet wins in a row with the same loot each time what are the odds on 7 crates giving the same loot 7 times in a row?
Well, here there is one point to note, people that uses Apple devices has "less" luck than Android device users, so the RNG is not equally fair to everyone...
Using base rather than proficiency actually is a detriment to the moderate to low spenders. Why? a 1/5 FE has the same proficiency as a 5/5 FE of that same character. But the Base stats change dramatically from 1/5 to 5/5.
You're kinda missing the motivation as to why the Gauntlet was created in the first place. It was created due to folks making noise about all the 1/5's that they had that didn't really have as much use and didn't have deep enough pockets to fully fuze.
This design would turn off that valve and turn up the frustration from a character inventory standpoint, returning to where we were a number of months ago, also decreasing enthusiasm for events which could lead to fewer event packs purchased and/or fewer chrons/boosts purchased.
So your statement about this being in DB's best interests, well, at least this design really is not.
You are looking for problems where there is none. You can simply make two separate divisions: one for base stats and one for proficiency stats. You can also design such system based solely on proficiency stat. That's not the point as long as RNG is eliminated or at least significantly limited.
Simply no. You are wrong. There is so many games not involving RNG. Just look around.
Could you give us specific examples of similar games that do not use RNG?
I see it in everything. Even board games use it, they just use dice instead of computer generation.
I've seen this movie before.
I'm trying to look at your proposal from an objective standpoint. I really don't enjoy the gauntlet that much, but I'm not sure you know what from a game design standpoint that you are doing. Your proposal was SPECIFICALLY base stats, and then you doubled down on it when questioned on it. I'm pointing out to you why that's not ideal and why, so you brush it off with charges of just being a cronut.
So, if you wanna get smart about it, lets go -- 'there will not be endless ties', if there are a smaller quantity of characters with the top stats (as there are for both base and proficiency now), how would ties be avoided? You're assumptions in this element, stating that there are so many characters, seem to stem from a belief that there are substantial numbers of characters that are created equal.
Though in some areas, such as SEC and CMD that might be the case, whereby in areas like ENG or MED this isn't the case. Are you familiar with the Gauntlet "Walls"? These are illustrative of this concept. The main reason you don't have walls of Defensive Phlox were his limited availability but after being event crew there are walls of Mirror Phlox, because he's top dog and readily available
Unless you make the matching something like blind draws, (meaning I have no idea what even type of card the other player is laying down) then you're going to invite ties in a consistently and consecutive manner.
And THAT makes the PLAYER the Random number generator at that point. Rather than the player attempting to skew his or her results based on what they think their chance might be beating someone in a stat matchup that is measurable but still random.
I also think spending so much time on the Gauntlet is really an issue. Seriously, its a slot machine and really unless you are spending DIL, you're not spending that much time per day in game on it, when you have story missions, arena, and events.
Would some lessening of the RNG make sense in game maybe even some common sense reforms like what was done with Galaxies after a SR fail? -- sure. but unless people are making up their own characters and building their own ships, I think there needs to be at least a modicum of randomness in game or we replace some folks boredom with other folks boredom and frustration in either ties or matchups that they never will have a chance in succeeding at all in the first place.
Can't you understand it was only a sketch? If base stats are such a concern for you than I can propose a system which utilizes only 1/4* or 1/5* base stats. Again, you are looking for a problem where there is none.
Yes, ties will happen but you can still think of some rules to resolve them. Let's say in such cases player with higher ranking wins or let's assume both players choose additional skill specific card from their inventory until tie is resolved. There is many possibilities here not involving RNG.