Let’s do some math DB
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On March 1, when DB offered 10 standard portal packs for $10, I bit. On the last three, I pulled a Mirror Ezri on each one; no beholds, no other super rare or legendary crew. At the time, it appears there were 204 super rares, 58 not in the portal from what other posts have shown me, meaning 146 possible super rares. DB won’t say, but from what I’ve read, there’s about an 8-10% chance of a legendary crew. Giving benefit of the doubt, let’s say 8%. So if 92% chance of super rare, with 146 possible super rares that would mean a 0.68% chance of any particular super rare, meaning roughly about 0.63% chance of a particular super rare with the chance of a legendary included. So by my math, and please correct me if I’m wrong, the odds of a .63% event happening three consecutive times is 0.0000250047%. I raised a ticket, and asked for it to be escalated, but basically they just said it happens.
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Something good dropping with very low odds = Extremely low occurrence. Rejoice and play the lottery before your luck runs dry.
Something useless dropping with very low odds = Happens with great regularity. Completely normal. Nothing to see here.
That is a 1-in-4-million event, or flipping a coin 22 times and getting heads each time. That's very rare, but I can still see it. The question is: How many other times has it happened? If this is the first and only instance, then I believe it. If it has happened like 10 times, then I would have to ask how many times have 3 of the same pack been bought in a row by the same player (ideally since the last portal revision, since the chances would be the same).
Just be careful. Apparently the chances of getting killed by a shark attack is about the same. Then again, you can't get killed a shark attack if you stay out of the water (unless Sharknado).
That is a fair point, I don’t know, and have wondered about that myself. It certainly is something I would like to know. Even if the odds were higher on certain characters were higher, I think it’s fair to say that mine was still an improbable outcome. I think I can speak for a lot of other folks and say some more transparency about not only the pull rates of specific super rare issue, but a lot of other things involving pack pulls would be appreciated by the STT community.
Trying to correct your math:
The low chance event happens only 2 times. The first one is just any super rare, so 92%. Combined that would be a 0.0037% chance.
Was just about to point this out too, and even those odds are (probably) pessimistic.
Odds of getting 3 of the same 4* on three pulls (you aren't upset that you, specifically, got Ezri, only that you got three of the same 4*. That means the first one could have been ANY 4* and the subsequent two had to be specifically one of them):
100% * 0.63%^2 = 0.003969%
This, however, doesn't take into account two things that are sort of difficult to take into account because they aren't independent (that is, the odds of seeing a specific 4* in a given pack is dependent on if the guaranteed slot ends up yielding a 4 or 5*). Without some specific information on how the packs are constructed, I don't think a precise probability is knowable.:
So, yes, this was a very rare occurrence, I would totally agree with you. However, we're not taking struck-by-lightning-while-winning-the-lottery rare.
Yes. In other words, what happened to the OP is no more unlikely than getting Gorn Captain, Galen, Kazon Seska on back to back to back pulls. But the latter would not have been remarkable.
I track my portal pulls. Here in 2018, I have so far acquired 1033 items from the Basic Time Portal. Here's the breakdown on crew:
x6
2* CMO Crusher
2* Security Chief Worf
x5
2* Cadet Sito Jaxa
2* Dabo Girl Leeta
2* Nurse Paris
x4
2* Captain Kirk
2* Lt Commander Scott
2* Persis
1* Bartender Quark
1* Ensign Chapel
1* Ensign Mayweather
x3
2* Acting Ensign Crusher
2* Away Team Archer
2* Commander Chakotay
2* Ensign Ro
2* KDF Alexander
2* Lt Commander Data
2* Recovering Spock
2* Technician Rom
1* Chef Neelix
1* Counselor Troi
1* Teenager Nog
1* Yeoman Rand
x2
3* Boxer Chakotay
2* Commander Riker
2* Dr Phlox
2* Ensign Sato
2* Enterprise-D Picard
2* First Maje Haron
2* Kathryn Janeway
2* Lt Naomi Wildman
2* Prisoner Michael Burnham
2* Telek R'Mor
1* CMO Bashir
1* Commander Spock
1* Crewman Tarses
1* Ensign Chekov
1* Ensign Ogawa
1* Investigator Odo
1* Lt Sulu
1* Wesley Crusher
x1
4* Behold! Klingon Quark, Commander Dolim, Fesek
3* Captain Dathon
3* Command Wrap Kirk
3* Lieutenant Saavik
3* Mora Pol
3* Racquetball Bashir
3* Tailor Garak
3* Temporal Shift Kes
3* Third Remata'Klan
2* Boomer Mayweather
2* Cadet Nog
2* Ensign Pazlar
2* Ensign Seska
2* Glinn Damar
2* Lieutenant Commander Saru
2* Major Kira
2* Section 31 Reed
2* Seven in Blue
1* Botanist Keiko
1* Chief Engineer Torres
1* CMO 'Bones' McCoy
1* Comm Officer Uhura
1* Desert Ezri Dax
1* Ensign Tuvok
1* Lt Jadzia Dax
1* Lt Thomas Riker
1* Will Riker
If the Disco cadets have been weighted, it certainly hasn't presented itself in my data pool. I've had as many 4* Beholds as I've had Lieutenant Commander Saru, and as many Boxer Chakotays as I've had Prisoner Michael Burnhams.
Also consider that he didn't just open three packs, but ten, so there were eight different pulls that could have been the start of a three-in-a-row streak that would trigger such a reaction, so the chances of getting such result somewhere in the ten packs are even higher.
You're obviously too young to remember the terror of the Land-Shark!
*knock knock*
"Who is it?"
"Candy-gram"
"Oh, hell...AUGHHHHH!"
tragic.