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Tired of the dishonest rolls in these events...

4 missions, all 99% chance of success, and 2 out of 4 fail? Really? Last time we had an event with shuttle missions I had 3 out of 4 fail when they were also 99%, and the event before that, 5 out of 8 fails in two groups of 4, at, once again, 99%. This tells me that there is some basic dishonesty happening here, and I'm tired of it. It's pretty damn obvious that the success chance in these even missions is not "99%", regardless of what it says. I'm out of this event, and will not do any more events with shuttles, until this is fixed.
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  • I feel your pain !! I've had a few events like that and worse.I don't Lose sleep or use Dill or spend money on factions events anymore. I've seen some statistical analyses experts posting this and that on the matter.There is something wrong or deceptive going on,it's as simple as that. I find it helps allot just to play faction events casually and go for the thresh reward. It hurts less when you haven't invested money.
  • JhamelJhamel ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've had two failz at 1800 VP shuttles with so clearly 99%, the yellow line was really all tight on the right side, not even a pixel of space. At least I recovered a little and now I'm in the 4000 VP shuttles, butt wondering how long I'll stay there. Shuttles still at 98-99% and I've already had another fail at 3500 VP shuttles, luckily it wasn't nuff to keep me down.
    "Everything about the Jem'Hadar is lethal!" - Eris (ST-DS9 Episode 2x26 "The Jem'Hadar")
  • Go for f2p. I play f2p for about two months and it's fun that way. For players spending money this is casino rather than a game. And yes, you are right. Trusting DB with these and/or any other percentages is a mistake at least.
  • Jim SteeleJim Steele ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have only just started the 3500 missions, no fails yet but the shuttle boost nerf certainly messes up things for European players. (No opportunity to boost to get higher level missions sooner as I have to go to bed before the USA).

    Still sub 1000 position though.
    DB: Do Better
  • DittoDitto ✭✭✭
    earthman34 wrote: »
    4 missions, all 99% chance of success, and 2 out of 4 fail? Really? Last time we had an event with shuttle missions I had 3 out of 4 fail when they were also 99%, and the event before that, 5 out of 8 fails in two groups of 4, at, once again, 99%. This tells me that there is some basic dishonesty happening here, and I'm tired of it. It's pretty damn obvious that the success chance in these even missions is not "99%", regardless of what it says. I'm out of this event, and will not do any more events with shuttles, until this is fixed.

    This event I had 4 missions over 95% .. 2 failed .. yep . "O.K." sure .. O.o

    Even based off my year's worth of data collected, showing that shuttles %'s are actually about 10-15% LOWER than displayed ...., that means 80-85% ... failed twice ... still an ouch ... but still ... just wish they'd fix the #'s displayed ... at this point, there's a ton of data the community has collected, independent of each other, and plenty showing a skew that is beyond "standard deviation" .. *shrug*
  • *Nomad* {PoF}*Nomad* {PoF} ✭✭✭✭✭
    earthman34 wrote: »
    4 missions, all 99% chance of success, and 2 out of 4 fail? Really? Last time we had an event with shuttle missions I had 3 out of 4 fail when they were also 99%, and the event before that, 5 out of 8 fails in two groups of 4, at, once again, 99%. This tells me that there is some basic dishonesty happening here, and I'm tired of it. It's pretty damn obvious that the success chance in these even missions is not "99%", regardless of what it says. I'm out of this event, and will not do any more events with shuttles, until this is fixed.

    And here is the response you will get from DB......
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    Founding ADM - PoF family of fleets (POF, POF2 & POF3) - Dear TP: Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.
  • Cue the calls of "Thats just RNG. RNG happens, sure its something like 1 in several thousand but its all totally random. People win the lottery all the time and thats crazy odds as well so yeah it can happen!"
  • PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cue the calls of "Thats just RNG. RNG happens, sure its something like 1 in several thousand but its all totally random. People win the lottery all the time and thats crazy odds as well so yeah it can happen!"

    Can you set that to music? It sounds like it would be a catchy song.
  • Capt. ChaosCapt. Chaos ✭✭✭✭✭
    Take the displayed percentages as a general indication. Don't obsess over the actual numbers. Just keep sending them out. Once you get past that, it's much less stressful. :)
  • Take the displayed percentages as a general indication. Don't obsess over the actual numbers. Just keep sending them out. Once you get past that, it's much less stressful. :)

    or go into f2p mode. It's even funnier. You feel like there is some challenge. And you beat the casino this way. Remember, the only way to beat the casino is not to play. :-)
  • I absolutely love being stuck at 1500 points per mission. Even when I send 4 shuttles at 99% success probability, I still have one fail. Choking me in this position of only making 1500 points per mission. LOVE THIS! This morning after I went 12 for 16 at 1500, I decided to go ahead and boost when my probability of success was already at 99%! I BOOSTED! AND I STILL FAILED ONE! Spectacular DB! I am still stuck at 1500 points per mission. What a fantastic feeling. Can't wait for the next round of shuttles to come in so I can see who airlocked themselves this time. Double down on the RNG DB! I love to get randomly not so randomly F......
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  • Secret JourneySecret Journey ✭✭✭✭
    They won’t allow the use of skill to be part of the concealed equation. You’re win loss ratio is already determined...

    I can’t get better than 2/4 each run and have yet to slip below 92% ‘chance’
    4 seaters all bonus crew with boost...failed

    This makes Vegas look as dependable as a full time job...
    DB = Climbing up an endless wall...
  • I've heard from several sources that there is a 'whale nerf' employed in Faction missions meaning that 99% successes are deliberately hampered, so as to stop big spenders from always winning (how true this is I cannot say but the statistics seem to support it).
    There is usually a sweet spot (usually between 75-85%) where the nerf does not operate and success seems more in keeping with the listed percentage rates.
    Anybody from DB care to comment ?
  • I cannot imagine there is a whale nerf. Whales spend money to win. It would be self-sabotaging on the part of DB to do something like that because the whales would stop spending.

    You sure about that? I don't think anything will stop the whales in this game from spending.
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  • FutureImperfectaFutureImperfecta ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol I'm sure they're chomping at the bit to comment lol.

    I haven't seen shuttle fails this bad in a long time. Who's been tinkering under the hood without a flashlight ?
  • Secret JourneySecret Journey ✭✭✭✭
    I cannot imagine there is a whale nerf. Whales spend money to win. It would be self-sabotaging on the part of DB to do something like that because the whales would stop spending.

    But DB is brilliant at self-sabotage. I’ve stopped spending now but not before being VIP 75+ and I’m absolutely dismayed with the practices that they employ. Their misleading actions leave the impression they’re satisfied with the money I’ve spent and would be delighted for me to move on...new players don’t feel that disdain yet
    DB = Climbing up an endless wall...
  • FutureImperfectaFutureImperfecta ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not saying it exists it not..
    But pending the whale it may not be so foot shooty.. could be counting on that "oh yeah!? F u I'll get you yet !" Cha ching attack vector.
  • I wonder. Was this issue ever reported in Engineering section?
  • Althea BiermontAlthea Biermont ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cannot imagine there is a whale nerf. Whales spend money to win. It would be self-sabotaging on the part of DB to do something like that because the whales would stop spending.

    You sure about that? I don't think anything will stop the whales in this game from spending.

    Faction events are my favorite event type and it would sure stop me. I definitely qualify as a whale. If my failures over time didn't average out to what I expected it would most certainly stop me from spending money. Have I had bad events? Yep. I've had an event or two where RNG hated me but I've also had events where RNG blessed me.
  • *Nomad* {PoF}*Nomad* {PoF} ✭✭✭✭✭
    Currently in top 100 so not complaining, just an observation. Last 7 rounds of 4 shuttles sent, all rounds went 3-1. All failed on the last one to return. All staffed by event crew only, all above 94% when sent. Failures occurred in 3 seat and 4 seat missions. Failures were at 98%, 96%, 96%, 95%, 97%, 96%, and 94%. Oh well, only want a top 1000 this event but it is, well, it is what it is. :neutral:
    Founding ADM - PoF family of fleets (POF, POF2 & POF3) - Dear TP: Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.
  • Paund SkummPaund Skumm ✭✭✭✭✭
    All I have to say about my shuttle missions...

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  • YateballYateball ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2018
    All I have to say about my shuttle missions...

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    Or https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-05-2015/v5LOlY.gif

    Yah, not a shuttle but....
  • Paund SkummPaund Skumm ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yateball wrote: »
    All I have to say about my shuttle missions...

    pt3ccbxyp36n.gif

    Or https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-05-2015/v5LOlY.gif

    Yah, not a shuttle but....

    Yah, very much a shuttle but ...

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Delta_Flyer
  • Commander SinclairCommander Sinclair ✭✭✭✭✭
    So I did the (actual) math and I came up with the conclusion that you need at least 4 copies of the weekly Event 5* (one per shuttle) +as many of the Event 4*/5*s you can muster to get through all the faction shuttles unscathed.
    I want to become a Dilionaire...
  • I've definitely seen some weird behavior with the shuttles this week.
    Due to the whole Vulcan thing I was running Starfleet faction missions all week, with a stated success rate of about 60-70% and an actual success rate somewhere around that.
    Event starts, I switch to running Romulan faction missions with a stated success rate of >90% and an actual success rate of around 33%. :(
    Weirder still the duration went up to 3 hours then dropped back to 2hours and since that drop the actual success rate has been much closer to the stated value.
  • I do better with 3500 and 4k shuttles than I do 1500-2750 shuttles. Once you get to 3500, you return to truer-to-reported results.

    Pretty much every event I play, I fail more shuttles in the 1500-2750 range (esp 1800 and 2250) during the first day than the rest of event at 4k.
  • I've been dismayed by the high number of fails this event as well. I just had 3 out of 4 fail, three were all in the mid 90s except for one wich was at 88.
  • Peachtree RexPeachtree Rex ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nerfball6 wrote: »
    I've been dismayed by the high number of fails this event as well. I just had 3 out of 4 fail, three were all in the mid 90s except for one wich was at 88.

    You should pass 4/4 missions at 95%/95%/95%/88% about 75% of the time. Failing one of those missions is hardly a rare event to gripe about.
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