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Gauntlet - please explain if I'm missing something

I know there's a element of RNG to it but the fact that it keeps happening means I think I must be missing something in understanding how gauntlet works.
Command and Engineering, maxed out Mirror Picard (~243–753 CMD) versus maxed out The Caretaker(~335–817 ENG).
Now The Caretaker has both a higher min and max (median of 576 versus Picard's 498 median, so should average about 15% higher scores), yet every time I've run this I've lost, even without Picard scoring a critical. Is there some other element I'm missing in terms of projecting how it should play out or is it just a run of bad luck? Thought I understood the mechanics of Gauntlet but this repeatedly happening is making me have my doubts. *headscratch*
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  • Just bad luck. There is still a lot of overlap between the two ranges. If you want greater chances of success I would not take on a match that was that close if I could avoid it.
  • Dark MatterDark Matter ✭✭✭
    Yes, you are missing the simple fact that displayed numbers means nothing to DB. In other words you can't beat (R)elentless and (N)otorious Mirror (G)argantua.
  • It's best to approach the gauntlet with little to no expectations. And just click away. Because it is garbage. 500 Characters in the game and the gauntlet utilizes 12 of them continuously. While they constantly lock great characters in it that you may or may not get. Even if you win the round. Cause that makes sense.
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  • IrialIrial ✭✭✭✭
    While there are definitely no guarantees - unless of course your character's stats are completely higher than those of your opponent - if you would like to engage in Gauntlet battles where you are somewhat more likely to see a result closer to the expected values, then it is helpful to engage an opponent where you have 6 rolls (i.e., meaningful rolls for both Skills) instead of just 3. That is, doubling the number of rolls should smooth out some of the deviation. But again, any individual battle could go any possible way, and "bad beats" will occur.
  • Thanks folks, I was just feeling a bit paranoid with repeatedly having that happen, made me worry there was something I was missing meaning there was an opportunity to become better at predicting the outcomes. Glad (ish :p ) to know it's just a run of bad luck.
  • Dark MatterDark Matter ✭✭✭
    Thanks folks, I was just feeling a bit paranoid with repeatedly having that happen, made me worry there was something I was missing meaning there was an opportunity to become better at predicting the outcomes. Glad (ish :p ) to know it's just a run of bad luck.

    Oh man, bad lack has very little with this situation. :-)
  • Dark MatterDark Matter ✭✭✭
    Thanks folks, I was just feeling a bit paranoid with repeatedly having that happen, made me worry there was something I was missing meaning there was an opportunity to become better at predicting the outcomes. Glad (ish :p ) to know it's just a run of bad luck.

    luck of course

    Oh man, bad lack has very little with this situation. :-)

  • Dark MatterDark Matter ✭✭✭
    Thanks folks, I was just feeling a bit paranoid with repeatedly having that happen, made me worry there was something I was missing meaning there was an opportunity to become better at predicting the outcomes. Glad (ish :p ) to know it's just a run of bad luck.

    luck of course

    Oh man, bad lack has very little with this situation. :-)

    jeez, one more time... :)

    Bad luck has very little in common with this situation.
  • The only thing that makes me want to Rage quit this game is the Gauntlet. IT ISNT LUCK. No matter what these apologists say. It is built into the RNG that you will lose. I am so sick of DBs "Bad Luck" excuse. People can see odds and DB puts their thumb on the Gauntlet RNG.

    You can either be a sheep and not care about it (better for your blood pressure) or you can remind DB at every opportunity that they have turned into a bunch of money grubbing traitors to Gene Roddenberry's vision. DB can kiss my sweet cakes when it comes to the Gauntlet.
  • IvanstoneIvanstone ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only thing that makes me want to Rage quit this game is the Gauntlet. IT ISNT LUCK. No matter what these apologists say. It is built into the RNG that you will lose. I am so sick of DBs "Bad Luck" excuse. People can see odds and DB puts their thumb on the Gauntlet RNG.

    If the Gauntlet causes you to lose then how come I can win the Gauntlet? I have a 4/5 Guinan. Not bad for a free feature. Yesterday it gave me Rasmussen's 5* Ring. Is that losing?
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  • Ivanstone wrote: »
    If the Gauntlet causes you to lose then how come I can win the Gauntlet? I have a 4/5 Guinan. Not bad for a free feature. Yesterday it gave me Rasmussen's 5* Ring. Is that losing?

    Look at the trends, not the isolated incidents.
  • UlrikkUlrikk ✭✭
    I was in the 2nd group of test subjects when gauntlet was introduced. I have a 5/5 locutus, a 3/5 guinan, and haven't gotten lucky with the caretaker yet. I've placed 1st roughly 25 times and typically am in the top 3. My gauntlet results are the same in every single run. I will typically get a streak going somewhere in the upper 30s to low 40s, I'll pick 10 point matches and try to keep my % to win at 99+%. This usually works until the last 2 refreshes on day 2, when I'm placed in the teens even though I've done only 10-20 point matches. Almost without fail the 1st time I'm forced to fight a match with a win % in the 90-95% range I will lose, typically with an opponent going 3/3 at 25% crit chance and high rolling enough to beat me by 10-15 points or similarly they will go 2/3 at 5% crit chance and again beat me by 10-15 points. I've never gone more than 2 90-95% chance to win fights before this occurs.
  • IvanstoneIvanstone ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ivanstone wrote: »
    If the Gauntlet causes you to lose then how come I can win the Gauntlet? I have a 4/5 Guinan. Not bad for a free feature. Yesterday it gave me Rasmussen's 5* Ring. Is that losing?

    Look at the trends, not the isolated incidents.

    The trend of finishing in the top 10 every Gauntlet for the past nine or so months? I play the Gauntlet to get Chrons, 3* pulls, 3* components and 4/5* equipment. It gives me those things pretty regularly. Its also given me a 2/5 Locutus and a 4/5 Guinan. I haven't gotten the Caretaker yet but it probably will if I keep at it.
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  • Dark MatterDark Matter ✭✭✭
    Ulrikk wrote: »
    I was in the 2nd group of test subjects when gauntlet was introduced. I have a 5/5 locutus, a 3/5 guinan, and haven't gotten lucky with the caretaker yet. I've placed 1st roughly 25 times and typically am in the top 3. My gauntlet results are the same in every single run. I will typically get a streak going somewhere in the upper 30s to low 40s, I'll pick 10 point matches and try to keep my % to win at 99+%. This usually works until the last 2 refreshes on day 2, when I'm placed in the teens even though I've done only 10-20 point matches. Almost without fail the 1st time I'm forced to fight a match with a win % in the 90-95% range I will lose, typically with an opponent going 3/3 at 25% crit chance and high rolling enough to beat me by 10-15 points or similarly they will go 2/3 at 5% crit chance and again beat me by 10-15 points. I've never gone more than 2 90-95% chance to win fights before this occurs.

    Oh man, I got my Caretaker though I'm only f2p player who's playing little over than 2 months. My longest streak was consisted of six wins for the moment. I think this makes Gauntlet a very faulty system. Don't you agree? And this is only the top of the mountain of Gauntlet issues .
  • UlrikkUlrikk ✭✭
    I know a couple caretakers will come my way eventually, I'm not too worried about it. I don't even get mad at the bad beats anymore because I can predict them almost 100% of the time. I'll catch myself saying "alright he's going to go 3/3 at 25% and I'll go 0/6 at 25% and lose by a dozen points" and it'll happen. It's too bad I was paying for streak saves for the first couple months. Once I realized I could usually get a streak into the 20s after losing my first 30-40 streak I stopped bothering.
  • Princess TristaPrincess Trista ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know it is setup to make you use merits for refresh. I know it is set to make you lose most of the time. Just like two lv 100 Mirror Phlox's against each other. Most of the time my stats are a little higher than theirs, but yet I have won 3/32 times. Think about this. 3/32 times. Same crew, same lvs.

    But, I still win, by avoiding same crew vs same crew and not using dils. I average around 3000-3200 points for the duration.

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  • There is no such thing as bad luck
  • Dark MatterDark Matter ✭✭✭
    Ulrikk wrote: »
    I know a couple caretakers will come my way eventually, I'm not too worried about it. I don't even get mad at the bad beats anymore because I can predict them almost 100% of the time. I'll catch myself saying "alright he's going to go 3/3 at 25% and I'll go 0/6 at 25% and lose by a dozen points" and it'll happen. It's too bad I was paying for streak saves for the first couple months. Once I realized I could usually get a streak into the 20s after losing my first 30-40 streak I stopped bothering.

    I wouldn't be so sure about it but I wish you well. Comparing to me you should have him fully fused already.
  • DralixDralix ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is no such thing as bad luck

    There's no such thing as good luck either.
  • Dark MatterDark Matter ✭✭✭
    Dralix wrote: »
    There is no such thing as bad luck

    There's no such thing as good luck either.

    Exactly. What has left then?
  • Dralix wrote: »
    There is no such thing as bad luck

    There's no such thing as good luck either.

    Exactly. What has left then?

    Very good question.... I like my little kid honest answer is who knows. Lol
  • •RIVIN••RIVIN• ✭✭✭
    Ulrikk wrote: »
    I know a couple caretakers will come my way eventually, I'm not too worried about it. I don't even get mad at the bad beats anymore because I can predict them almost 100% of the time. I'll catch myself saying "alright he's going to go 3/3 at 25% and I'll go 0/6 at 25% and lose by a dozen points" and it'll happen. It's too bad I was paying for streak saves for the first couple months. Once I realized I could usually get a streak into the 20s after losing my first 30-40 streak I stopped bothering.

    I wouldn't be so sure about it but I wish you well. Comparing to me you should have him fully fused already.

    you'll be ur caretaker. if we are to follow the "trend" then the big picture is that the "trend" is that more people with unhappy experiences post then ones with happy experiences. if you have a horrible experience at a resturant, you are more likely to post about it then if you had a wonderful experience. so if you only looked at the posts, you may be mislead into thinking it represents an accurate average. look at this forum. most of the people that post here have negative things to say, and yet they only make up miniscule amount of the total player base. if you never played this game and just judged it on what you read in this forum, you would wonder how the game even still is alive. but in reality, it's a pretty cool game that most of the player base really enjoy playing.
  • Think of Gauntlet like Roulette the house always wins in the end.
  • UlrikkUlrikk ✭✭
    Streak at 38 just now. We both have a 5% crit chance, defenders range is 200-500 mine is 350-900, I already knew they would crit twice and high roll all 3 times. Not even surprised anymore.
  • Think of Gauntlet like Roulette the house always wins in the end.
    It's not a problem it's a roulette. The problem is that it's a roulette of its own kind with a very specific attitude toward randomness I think.
  • Think of Gauntlet like Roulette the house always wins in the end.
    It's not a problem it's a roulette. The problem is that it's a roulette of its own kind with a very specific attitude toward randomness I think.

    It is the higher power messing up with you...
  • Think of Gauntlet like Roulette the house always wins in the end.
    It's not a problem it's a roulette. The problem is that it's a roulette of its own kind with a very specific attitude toward randomness I think.

    It is the higher power messing up with you...

    I'm messed up already. I don't need any higher power to do it for me.
  • The problem is the 3rd streak where the prob is much higher.
    Definitely something in their algorithm to piss ppl more because DB doesn’t want you to open the crate (event at 30+ streak ppl reporting blue trainers anyway)

    in general ppl know something fishy going on

    if they could just have option to bypass that stupid animation and see the result, I think most ppl will feel 90% better, just like the shuttle failure
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