Trying to figure out the highest score in Event
SpaceWereDragon
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I’m trying to figure something out.
The top score currently for this event is 3,925,200.
On epic, with highest bonus, the max vp you can get is 6,000 plus any rewards you get between battles.
My best time to complete a skirmish (all 5 battles) is 2 minutes and 43 seconds. But for this, I will say 3 minutes.
3,925,200 vp highest current score / 6,000 vp for each skirmish = 654.2 skirmishes
Now, we know some of the vps is from rewards so lets round this down to 600 skirmishes in total to get the highest current score.
600 skirmishes x 3 minutes per skirmish = 1,800 minutes or 30 hours
30 hrs of constant ship battles. There is no way some one is sitting for 30 hours doing only skirmishes. I suspect macro or a program/automation of sort.
Unless I’m missing something. I would love to know if I’m missing something
The top score currently for this event is 3,925,200.
On epic, with highest bonus, the max vp you can get is 6,000 plus any rewards you get between battles.
My best time to complete a skirmish (all 5 battles) is 2 minutes and 43 seconds. But for this, I will say 3 minutes.
3,925,200 vp highest current score / 6,000 vp for each skirmish = 654.2 skirmishes
Now, we know some of the vps is from rewards so lets round this down to 600 skirmishes in total to get the highest current score.
600 skirmishes x 3 minutes per skirmish = 1,800 minutes or 30 hours
30 hrs of constant ship battles. There is no way some one is sitting for 30 hours doing only skirmishes. I suspect macro or a program/automation of sort.
Unless I’m missing something. I would love to know if I’m missing something
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We'll, I wouldn't put it past them, but I think it's probably more likely we have some bot/script involved. Which I personally consider cheating, but that's just my opinion!
In fact, considering that players with a good ship and crew never have to change their crew at all, this event (sadly) lends itself to being played completely by macro.
P.S. I sincerely hope that no-one reading this will take this as a suggested course of action.
If I had the time, I’d be interested in having a go at this purely as an academic exercise. I wouldn’t actually deploy it in anger to win an event.
If somebody is doing this to cheat, surely there is a way DB can detect such action and suspend the accounts of those players.
Also, I have heard that on occasion, one account will be played by numerous players, each taking different "shifts" in the day — whether or not this would generally be happening at the same location or not, I don't know for sure, but I should think probably not.
The first is definitely within the confines of the game, and the second probably doesn't technically break any rules, either.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
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But you're limited to five extra buys, right? We should work this into our maths.
And although admittedly I haven't done the full probabilistic analysis, I think 3000 extra VP per skirmish from extra rewards is a reasonable estimate.
Although I couldn't prove or disprove it, I am over 90% confident that something else is going on.
Edit: event VP chance is 13.58%. Assuming a player uses all 4 extra rolls (5 rolls per battle, for 4 battles = 20 rolls) AND assuming only the 1500 VP ever drops (a simplified model, yes, but poignant) the expected amount of VP you can get per skirmish is 1500*0.1358*20 =~ 4000 VP. So taking into account that 300 and 600 VP drops are more likely, I think 3000 was a good estimate.
Is that right? Okay, I didn't recall seeing that.
But the multiple people on one account thing is definitely something that happens. Even sometimes it's as informal as roommates teaming up for a big win, so everybody in the apartment is equally tired by the end of the weekend.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
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If you had the Chrons (money) to burn, and was just focusing on getting the most VP in the shortest time it might be a valid, albeit expensive strategy.
This should help if someone wants to take a crack at it... can't immediately figure out exactly how to make that estimate myself.
Edit: Okay, I went ahead and tried to estimate it (percentages in the left column are guesstimates based on my observation). It assumes 1 free roll plus 5 paid for rolls per battle, thus 24 per skirmish (last battle has no such option).
I don't see how that would be more efficient?
That said, if you watch the way his VP goes up, I'd say he's using dil.
If you were to use a macro, you'd want to include more time as a buffer, for lag and whatnot, and that would take longer per set, I think.
Especially since my estimate indicates that the extra VP from max dil usage is something like 6% extra VP above the amount you'd get for free.
He's not doing it for the FF Sisko, I guarantee you that.
You raise an interesting point here, but I know some in my fleet that are able to clear all 5 battles in barely over a minute (6-8 seconds per battle, plus click-through all the animations) because of their kick-**tsk tsk** ship & crew combo. Assuming that the leader is likely running a similar, high-octane ship/crew, then that same score/# of skirmishes could be obtained in just 12-15ish hours of solid grinding.
Granted, most people would also need some time to run other ship missions to replenish Intel, but that's still a realistic timeframe for a committed event leader to dedicate towards the game this far into the event.
And you really should have more evidence when accusing someone than, essentially, 'the only way to get that many points is to play the event for a large number of hours and/or buy bonus rewards'.
I know the player who is leading this event and I have to say that he has never been known to cheat. He is just an extremely dedicated player and leader of the best fleet in the game.
Continuous playing? Yes he has been known to do that
Trista
How is anyone supposed to gather evidence? Please offer the details of how you are able to accumulate so many points.
Trista
We are just pointing out that it is pretty much the only way they could've got that many VP legitimately in the time
Trista
So, having seen TOS lawyering in other games, and based on some DB precedent....
Account sharing is usually considered worse than scripting, with a caveat. Giving your login to an internet buddy is 95% of the time considered cheating, and a 50/50 ban in most games. However, physically passing the phone is unpunishable usually, and legal if it's a spouse or child. Children are unable to agree to a TOS and have to play in a parents account, even when it's their own. So if you give your ten year old $5 an hour to click for you a few hours a day then do the rest yourself, it's usually clear of any TOS violation and unpunishable even if it is.
Scripting/botting usually has a strong delineater to what's cheating and whats not. You can't automate things to interact with the api, 99% of the time. So a bot that let you skip things like visual loading screens and just ran sending commands directly to the server would be a TOS violatio, and bannable in most cases. A script that runs on top of the regular UI, like a mouse recorder is often considered legal. You are not bypassing load times, you typically have to moitor for jams due to lag, It's difficult to control how you interact with the UI as long as you are interacting with the stock ui.
Given DBs policy on some third party API interaction and past precedent, I would expect they are more lax than norm on "scripting" and less so on account sharing, with the possibilty of it even being, "as long as you aren't monkeying with their code you are ok".
Granted, regardless of the TOS and DB's stance, official or unofficial, some people are going to call anything they don't like cheating. Previously shuttle kick starting, expedition red shirting, and galaxy single build octopuss farming have all been called cheating by people on forums.
Personally, if I was going for first, with the correct ship and crew, an emulator on a state of the art pc, that emulator turned down to the lowest graphics settings possible to reduce load time further, and a few other completely legal tricks, I would expect you could get average ticket time under a minute thirty and spam super fast with a wife or child covering bathroom/stretch time and obliterate competition and draw resounding cheating claims.
Grats Rowden, you know you are doing well when people accuse you of "cheating".
It's funny how no-one has mentioned the player in 2nd at all. If you haven't noticed, he's been keeping pace with Rowden this whole time and yet no-one has accused him of using macros.
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