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Trying to figure out the highest score in Event

SpaceWereDragonSpaceWereDragon ✭✭✭
edited June 2018 in The Bridge
I’m trying to figure something out.

The top score currently for this event is 3,925,200.

On epic, with highest bonus, the max vp you can get is 6,000 plus any rewards you get between battles.

My best time to complete a skirmish (all 5 battles) is 2 minutes and 43 seconds. But for this, I will say 3 minutes.

3,925,200 vp highest current score / 6,000 vp for each skirmish = 654.2 skirmishes

Now, we know some of the vps is from rewards so lets round this down to 600 skirmishes in total to get the highest current score.

600 skirmishes x 3 minutes per skirmish = 1,800 minutes or 30 hours

30 hrs of constant ship battles. There is no way some one is sitting for 30 hours doing only skirmishes. I suspect macro or a program/automation of sort.

Unless I’m missing something. I would love to know if I’m missing something
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  • AldudeAldude ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even if you were REALLY generous, and said 9000 VP per skirmish... That's being super lucky and getting 1500 VP bonus rewards virtually all the time, that comes to about 22 hours of non-stop play. Does it seem reasonable that someone is sat there for 11 hours every day doing a skirmish?

    We'll, I wouldn't put it past them, but I think it's probably more likely we have some bot/script involved. Which I personally consider cheating, but that's just my opinion!
    Fleet Admiral of NCC UK Midlands."Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the bridge." - J.T. Kirk, 2266
  • [S14] Elynduil[S14] Elynduil ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
    This is an excellent question.

    In fact, considering that players with a good ship and crew never have to change their crew at all, this event (sadly) lends itself to being played completely by macro.

    P.S. I sincerely hope that no-one reading this will take this as a suggested course of action.
  • Well...Ive been watching @Rowdan and he seems to be online for quite a while each day, i think he has been doing the event for 30 hours...i dont think he would cheat though. Im more interested in how many chrons it took
  • [S14] Elynduil[S14] Elynduil ✭✭✭✭
    Well, it would show you as online, wouldn't it? But unless someone is engaging you in actual conversation, how would you know if it's them personally?
  • Elynduil wrote: »
    P.S. I sincerely hope that no-one reading this will take this as a suggested course of action.

    If I had the time, I’d be interested in having a go at this purely as an academic exercise. I wouldn’t actually deploy it in anger to win an event.

    If somebody is doing this to cheat, surely there is a way DB can detect such action and suspend the accounts of those players.
  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't forget the Dilithium refreshes of bonus rewards. Some players spend an absolutely insane amount of money on a single event. So they could have been just refreshing over and over and over and over, lather/rinse/repeat.

    Also, I have heard that on occasion, one account will be played by numerous players, each taking different "shifts" in the day — whether or not this would generally be happening at the same location or not, I don't know for sure, but I should think probably not.

    The first is definitely within the confines of the game, and the second probably doesn't technically break any rules, either.


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  • [S14] Elynduil[S14] Elynduil ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
    If somebody is doing this to cheat, surely there is a way DB can detect such action and suspend the accounts of those players.
    The way to detect it would be that their button presses would be timed exactly the same time apart every run-through. I just don't know how much data on that is received server-side; whether there would be enough info there to make a determination.

    Data1001 wrote: »
    Don't forget the Dilithium refreshes of bonus rewards. Some players spend an absolutely insane amount of money on a single event. So they could have been just refreshing over and over and over and over, lather/rinse/repeat.

    But you're limited to five extra buys, right? We should work this into our maths.
  • AldudeAldude ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
    I thought it was 4 extra buys.
    And although admittedly I haven't done the full probabilistic analysis, I think 3000 extra VP per skirmish from extra rewards is a reasonable estimate.

    Although I couldn't prove or disprove it, I am over 90% confident that something else is going on.

    Edit: event VP chance is 13.58%. Assuming a player uses all 4 extra rolls (5 rolls per battle, for 4 battles = 20 rolls) AND assuming only the 1500 VP ever drops (a simplified model, yes, but poignant) the expected amount of VP you can get per skirmish is 1500*0.1358*20 =~ 4000 VP. So taking into account that 300 and 600 VP drops are more likely, I think 3000 was a good estimate.
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  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elynduil wrote: »
    Data1001 wrote: »
    Don't forget the Dilithium refreshes of bonus rewards. Some players spend an absolutely insane amount of money on a single event. So they could have been just refreshing over and over and over and over, lather/rinse/repeat.

    But you're limited to five extra buys, right? We should work this into our maths.

    Is that right? Okay, I didn't recall seeing that.

    But the multiple people on one account thing is definitely something that happens. Even sometimes it's as informal as roommates teaming up for a big win, so everybody in the apartment is equally tired by the end of the weekend. ;)


    Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
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  • Would it be quicker to play the first battle then abandon the Skirmish and start a new one rather than battle all the way to the end?

    If you had the Chrons (money) to burn, and was just focusing on getting the most VP in the shortest time it might be a valid, albeit expensive strategy.
  • [S14] Elynduil[S14] Elynduil ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
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    This should help if someone wants to take a crack at it... can't immediately figure out exactly how to make that estimate myself.

    Edit: Okay, I went ahead and tried to estimate it (percentages in the left column are guesstimates based on my observation). It assumes 1 free roll plus 5 paid for rolls per battle, thus 24 per skirmish (last battle has no such option).

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  • [S14] Elynduil[S14] Elynduil ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
    Would it be quicker to play the first battle then abandon the Skirmish and start a new one rather than battle all the way to the end?

    If you had the Chrons (money) to burn, and was just focusing on getting the most VP in the shortest time it might be a valid, albeit expensive strategy.

    I don't see how that would be more efficient?
  • <TGE> Clifford<TGE> Clifford ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's worth considering that some of these people are doing battles where the counter does not get below 175- as in, 5 seconds of battling, 20 seconds of animations, it's closer to 2 minutes 5 seconds.

    That said, if you watch the way his VP goes up, I'd say he's using dil.

    If you were to use a macro, you'd want to include more time as a buffer, for lag and whatnot, and that would take longer per set, I think.
  • [S14] Elynduil[S14] Elynduil ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
    But why would you even use dil to such an extent? It hardly makes sense... you could probably have between five and ten FF Siskos for that price.

    Especially since my estimate indicates that the extra VP from max dil usage is something like 6% extra VP above the amount you'd get for free.
  • AldudeAldude ✭✭✭✭✭
    The dilithium buffs you get from this event are so minute. I genuinely don't believe it is the source of such a high VP score, unless they are scoring 3000 VP with every bonus roll.
    Fleet Admiral of NCC UK Midlands."Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the bridge." - J.T. Kirk, 2266
  • <TGE> Clifford<TGE> Clifford ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elynduil wrote: »
    But why would you even use dil to such an extent? It hardly makes sense... you could probably have between five and ten FF Siskos for that price.

    Especially since my estimate indicates that the extra VP from max dil usage is something like 6% extra VP above the amount you'd get for free.

    He's not doing it for the FF Sisko, I guarantee you that.
  • As long as their legitimately paying for Dilithium, they are supporting the game and keeping it F2P.for a lot of other players.
  • AldudeAldude ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah... I don't think that's the issue here
    Fleet Admiral of NCC UK Midlands."Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the bridge." - J.T. Kirk, 2266
  • I’m trying to figure something out.

    The top score currently for this event is 3,925,200.

    On epic, with highest bonus, the max vp you can get is 6,000 plus any rewards you get between battles.

    My best time to complete a skirmish (all 5 battles) is 2 minutes and 43 seconds. But for this, I will say 3 minutes.

    3,925,200 vp highest current score / 6,000 vp for each skirmish = 654.2 skirmishes

    You raise an interesting point here, but I know some in my fleet that are able to clear all 5 battles in barely over a minute (6-8 seconds per battle, plus click-through all the animations) because of their kick-**tsk tsk** ship & crew combo. Assuming that the leader is likely running a similar, high-octane ship/crew, then that same score/# of skirmishes could be obtained in just 12-15ish hours of solid grinding.

    Granted, most people would also need some time to run other ship missions to replenish Intel, but that's still a realistic timeframe for a committed event leader to dedicate towards the game this far into the event.
  • AldudeAldude ✭✭✭✭✭
    Please offer us an alternative explanation. I believe that was the original question! My position has always been "if someone really is grinding it for 12 hours non-stop then fine, but I'm finding it difficult to believe".
    Fleet Admiral of NCC UK Midlands."Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the bridge." - J.T. Kirk, 2266
  • Princess TristaPrincess Trista ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aldude wrote: »

    We'll, I wouldn't put it past them, but I think it's probably more likely we have some bot/script involved. Which I personally consider cheating, but that's just my opinion!

    I know the player who is leading this event and I have to say that he has never been known to cheat. He is just an extremely dedicated player and leader of the best fleet in the game.

    Continuous playing? Yes he has been known to do that :):):)

    Trista
  • Rowden wrote: »
    Just to state the obvious, I am actually playing the game and would never cheat in an event.

    And you really should have more evidence when accusing someone than, essentially, 'the only way to get that many points is to play the event for a large number of hours and/or buy bonus rewards'.

    How is anyone supposed to gather evidence? Please offer the details of how you are able to accumulate so many points.
  • Princess TristaPrincess Trista ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rocky, no one should divulge their strategies. Because then you might as well give that person your account because you are playing their game, not yours.

    Trista
  • AldudeAldude ✭✭✭✭✭
    If they are playing continuously and getting very lucky with bonus rolls, I have no problem with that.
    We are just pointing out that it is pretty much the only way they could've got that many VP legitimately in the time
    Fleet Admiral of NCC UK Midlands."Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the bridge." - J.T. Kirk, 2266
  • Princess TristaPrincess Trista ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
    I know a player who played an expedition event a year ago (in my fleet now) that played continuously (nonstop) for 9-10 hours on one day, and he moved to 2nd place on that leaderboard (he even passed me :'(:'( ) and then finished in 3rd overall. Some people are just dedicated. Those are the ones you want in your fleet!

    Trista
  • V.V. ✭✭✭✭
    By my calculations you could have around 7,200,000 points after 48 hours non-stop.
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