My read was that Tilly was obviously smart and talented... that's why she's a cadet that's deployed out on a top-secret starship in the first place.
That being said... there has never been a correlation between the character and rarity from what I've seen. They won't put a 2s or 3s event crew into a pack (though they'll have specials released), so we won't get anything like that.
At this point, we haven't seen Tilly as anything other than a cadet, and she's been a focal character so she would be showing up somewhere. It was going to be a 4s or a 5s and she makes more sense in the 5s slot than Ash does at this point.
Now if we want to talk about how the main character of the whole bloody show has only shown up once, pre-event, in a "waste all your money" featured pack, and how there doesn't seem to be a spot for her to come back with the others we've seen teased...
Okay having "cadet" in her name maybe makes it seem a bit counter-intuitive, but game rarity and in-universe 'power' are all over the shop already. I mean, 5* Musketeer La Forge? It's a hologram (not even a sapient one) with only one skill, fencing, which it's bad at on purpose. Unless we're supposing that Barclay programmed the bumbling buffoon version with all of the real Geordi's engineering skills even though it was never going to use them, which... actually yeah, classic Barclay... but still.
Nonsense.
You would be right if there would if she for example had Command. But she has SCI and ENG - what the heck has her Rank to do with her Knowledge and Smartness in ENG or SCI? Of course, nothing.
Sorry, but... what? I think you misunderstood me.
My issue is that she's a cadet and a 5*. Cadet is the rank below ensign, and having not done anything terribly interesting on screen I don't understand being a 5*. Your argument would have more weight if she had Prodigy, I guess, but even then it suffers from a fatal flaw in logic. Characters tend to get stronger over time as they have experiences and "level up". Further iterations of this character now cannot be stronger than the most basic version. Just consider any other character in the game, from Seven in Blue : TA Seven : Madmoiselle De Neuf or Lt. Commander Riker : Commander Riker : Trombone Riker : Chest Hair Riker : Admiral Riker. Variants of the base character(post implants, anyway).
I would have this problem if she were the first 6 stat character. It's a question of rank in starfleet and the uniqueness of the character. It makes no sense to make the most basic version of a cadet a 5* because it doesn't leave the character any room to grow upward. Unless there are no further versions of this character(which is admittedly possible, should she die in the near future), they must all be either 5* or make zero sense at all.
Maybe the irony is that we play because we’re Star Trek fans, those hopeful idealists that like to think things will get better when we raise valid concerns about fairness and balance, etc and we forget that DB’s greed openly mocks the values espoused by the franchise they have a license for.
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I mean, 5* Musketeer La Forge? It's a hologram (not even a sapient one) with only one skill, fencing, which it's bad at on purpose. Unless we're supposing that Barclay programmed the bumbling buffoon version ...
I'm sure people will still buy her. She is the new shiny and we all know someone who just has to own the new shiny toy. The cost of characters in the game is through the roof, your mileage may vary of course. You might think the characters are worth the cost, others may think "I could get a new game for that. Pay for a sprite on a game I dont actually own no matter how much I pay or get a new game on console or PC".
She's a decent looking character but ask yourself: Is she worth it to you stat wise? If this was a medical character I could see them being more popular (maybe its just me but I struggle with medics, Sulan, Alternative Future Bashir and a FF/FE Mirror Phlox is the best I have) but she's only an engineer...and she might not be as worthwhile as Degra going by their wikis.
My thoughts on Tilly since she was introduced in the show... How many times have we seen a character play the buffoon, but really aren't? I immediately figured there was more going on since she was placed as Michael's roommate. Now to see her as a 5* kind of made this thought more concrete in my mind. Black badges on the ship. A captain that has free range to do what he wants. This all screams Section 31 to me and I wouldn't be surprised if Tilly was really a high ranking operative. This is all my personal opinion and complete conspiracy theory, but it would make it exciting.
My thoughts on Tilly since she was introduced in the show... How many times have we seen a character play the buffoon, but really aren't? I immediately figured there was more going on since she was placed as Michael's roommate. Now to see her as a 5* kind of made this thought more concrete in my mind. Black badges on the ship. A captain that has free range to do what he wants. This all screams Section 31 to me and I wouldn't be surprised if Tilly was really a high ranking operative. This is all my personal opinion and complete conspiracy theory, but it would make it exciting.
The black badges made me think Section 31 as well, but that's no reason for her to be 5*. If anything, precedent set by Seska would indicate the personas rank would equate to their rank... 2*. It would follow that the "unmasked" version would be the higher rarity character with all the sneaky traits.
Maybe the irony is that we play because we’re Star Trek fans, those hopeful idealists that like to think things will get better when we raise valid concerns about fairness and balance, etc and we forget that DB’s greed openly mocks the values espoused by the franchise they have a license for.
-Lord Wizzlestix I
If it makes you feel any better, consider that every 5-star Discovery crew that has been introduced so far have immediately met some form of bad fate in the following episode.
Doesn't make me feel any better though, as I just started to warm up to her.
So Lorcas Dead? I might have to start watching again....lol
Tilly has done quite a lot on the show. She works in engineering, she was running spore drive last ep, she faced down ripper when she could have ran. Tilly rocks.
It seems a bit weird an kind of a surprise, but I'm cool with it. She's a main character on Discovery, and unlike most of the recurring cast, at least has a bit of screen presence and charm.
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Legendary must now be taken as just harder to get, fully fuse, and equip.
The real issue should be stats. If she is a cadet, then her stats should be better as time goes on. This would mean, that if more experienced versions are released no matter what rarity they should have higher shared stats.
Legendary must now be taken as just harder to get, fully fuse, and equip.
The real issue should be stats. If she is a cadet, then her stats should be better as time goes on. This would mean, that if more experienced versions are released no matter what rarity they should have higher shared stats.
Except in some cases where folks change tracks the stats totally change.
She is the best (!) Theoretical Engineer Starfleet has (at that time), what else then a 5* could she be?
If she is a Cadet or a Lt. Commander - only difference would be that she gets some CMD Points on Top.
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Tilly is the only character on Discovery who actually seems to like both her job and the people she works with. She's the only one of them I don't want to punch in the throat. May she live long and prosper.
Darn straight she's a five star. If she doesn't deserve it, nobody on that show does.
What I am more confused by is why Lt Tyler shares outfits with Tilly. I look at the icons for both of their equipment, and they look exactly the same. Lets hope he keeps cross dressing to the privacy of his own quarters and not on away missions...
Tilly as a 5*... whatever. DB is gunna do what they’re gunna do. What upsets me is all these new 4* and 5* crew with only 2 skills. Basically makes them less useful for both Voyages and Gauntlet!
More specialized, but I don't think less useful, not for voyages anyway. If you draw eng/sci as your starred skills for a voyage, you're going to want Tilly along. Granted you'd have to have that precise alignment of skills but I've seen it a couple of times already.
She is the best (!) Theoretical Engineer Starfleet has (at that time), what else then a 5* could she be?
If she is a Cadet or a Lt. Commander - only difference would be that she gets some CMD Points on Top.
Not the point. The point is: what is the next version of her going to be, the one with more experience and skills? A 6*? Usually being really good at something isn't enough to deserve a 5* rating. Look at your 5 stars and you'll note very few core cast whose base version is a 5*, they're typically from episodes where that character did something particularly cool, which differentiates them and shows a moment where they stood out. Seven in Blue/Seven of Nine would be arguable, but every other bridge officer I can think of has their basic version as a 1 or 2 star. This provides room to grow, which Tilly now does not have.
This is true of Lorca as well, and I guess Burnham. This isn't a judgement of Tilly as a character, it's a judgement of DB's foresight. The one character that could definitely have just been the base version is Georgiou as she isn't likely to do a lot of growth, but they made that a specific "Desert" version to allow for a lower star "Captain Georgiou" in the future.
Maybe the irony is that we play because we’re Star Trek fans, those hopeful idealists that like to think things will get better when we raise valid concerns about fairness and balance, etc and we forget that DB’s greed openly mocks the values espoused by the franchise they have a license for.
-Lord Wizzlestix I
It bears repeating that the rare, super rare, legendary, etc. status assigned to a card has little correlation to the character's perceived influence/value in "Star Trek," rather the rarity, or availability, of the card in STT. In addition, rank has never been an indicator of a card's assigned value (i.e. Cadet Wesley Crusher is a 4-star card whereas, Ensign Wesley Crusher is a 3-star card). Furthermore, there are a number of legendary cards that have had less influence (or competence) in STT (5-star Captain Morgan Bateson who got his crew lost in the same time-loop for 80 years that took Picard's crew two weeks to get out of is one example that comes to mind). Not to mention all the non-cannon characters.
It's okay to not like certain characters, but there is little foundation to justify why any card in the game is assigned their respective rarity or skills with much consistency.
Fair points. To be clear, I like Tilly fine. She's one point of levity in what feels like a too-heavy star trek to me.
Your point about Frasier is well taken, but he isn't a core character of whom we'll ever see another version. Wesley is a better comparison... I think it just feels weird to me that all of these people are starting out at 5 stars. Our first version of Wes was the green one, yeah? Then a white one before we ever saw anything remotely useful to anyone.
Maybe the irony is that we play because we’re Star Trek fans, those hopeful idealists that like to think things will get better when we raise valid concerns about fairness and balance, etc and we forget that DB’s greed openly mocks the values espoused by the franchise they have a license for.
-Lord Wizzlestix I
I think it just feels weird to me that all of these people are starting out at 5 stars.
That's to be expected given the nature of what's going on here, which is cross promotion. We're going to get 4* and 5* versions of the new crew. You could argue that we could have/should have had a 2* or 3* version of each one as well, but I don't see that as being worth the resources required.
Yeah, I guess it's a cohesion vs marketing thing. I want everything to make sense in the game world, but this way is obviously going to make DB more money. My only argument there would just be to change the names to something specific to give them the latitude to introduce the general versions later. "F*cking Cool Tilly" and "Mutineer Burnham" jump to mind. I realize it doesn't matter much, but the same could be said the other way, and then everything would fit neatly with existing content.
Maybe the irony is that we play because we’re Star Trek fans, those hopeful idealists that like to think things will get better when we raise valid concerns about fairness and balance, etc and we forget that DB’s greed openly mocks the values espoused by the franchise they have a license for.
-Lord Wizzlestix I
It is bonkers that someone like her has a 5* when characters like Tuvok/Chakotay have only relatively recently had their first ones (having been canon for 20+ years and with 200+ episodes behind them). Especially when she's quite clearly the Kim/Wesley/Jake/Hoshi of the show...
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That being said... there has never been a correlation between the character and rarity from what I've seen. They won't put a 2s or 3s event crew into a pack (though they'll have specials released), so we won't get anything like that.
At this point, we haven't seen Tilly as anything other than a cadet, and she's been a focal character so she would be showing up somewhere. It was going to be a 4s or a 5s and she makes more sense in the 5s slot than Ash does at this point.
Now if we want to talk about how the main character of the whole bloody show has only shown up once, pre-event, in a "waste all your money" featured pack, and how there doesn't seem to be a spot for her to come back with the others we've seen teased...
Sorry, but... what? I think you misunderstood me.
My issue is that she's a cadet and a 5*. Cadet is the rank below ensign, and having not done anything terribly interesting on screen I don't understand being a 5*. Your argument would have more weight if she had Prodigy, I guess, but even then it suffers from a fatal flaw in logic. Characters tend to get stronger over time as they have experiences and "level up". Further iterations of this character now cannot be stronger than the most basic version. Just consider any other character in the game, from Seven in Blue : TA Seven : Madmoiselle De Neuf or Lt. Commander Riker : Commander Riker : Trombone Riker : Chest Hair Riker : Admiral Riker. Variants of the base character(post implants, anyway).
I would have this problem if she were the first 6 stat character. It's a question of rank in starfleet and the uniqueness of the character. It makes no sense to make the most basic version of a cadet a 5* because it doesn't leave the character any room to grow upward. Unless there are no further versions of this character(which is admittedly possible, should she die in the near future), they must all be either 5* or make zero sense at all.
-Lord Wizzlestix I
Reading this makes me want Musketeer Riker.
This. She is a 5* because DB is betting people will pay $100 for her.
Then people have to vote with their wallets then
She's a decent looking character but ask yourself: Is she worth it to you stat wise? If this was a medical character I could see them being more popular (maybe its just me but I struggle with medics, Sulan, Alternative Future Bashir and a FF/FE Mirror Phlox is the best I have) but she's only an engineer...and she might not be as worthwhile as Degra going by their wikis.
https://stt.wiki/wiki/Cadet_Sylvia_Tilly
https://stt.wiki/wiki/Scientist_Degra
The black badges made me think Section 31 as well, but that's no reason for her to be 5*. If anything, precedent set by Seska would indicate the personas rank would equate to their rank... 2*. It would follow that the "unmasked" version would be the higher rarity character with all the sneaky traits.
-Lord Wizzlestix I
So Lorcas Dead? I might have to start watching again....lol
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Totally. When she said that this was my actual reaction.... "Did someone just drop an F bomb in Star Trek??? What the F**K???"
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The real issue should be stats. If she is a cadet, then her stats should be better as time goes on. This would mean, that if more experienced versions are released no matter what rarity they should have higher shared stats.
Except in some cases where folks change tracks the stats totally change.
E.g Cadet/Captain Nog.
If she is a Cadet or a Lt. Commander - only difference would be that she gets some CMD Points on Top.
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Darn straight she's a five star. If she doesn't deserve it, nobody on that show does.
Not the point. The point is: what is the next version of her going to be, the one with more experience and skills? A 6*? Usually being really good at something isn't enough to deserve a 5* rating. Look at your 5 stars and you'll note very few core cast whose base version is a 5*, they're typically from episodes where that character did something particularly cool, which differentiates them and shows a moment where they stood out. Seven in Blue/Seven of Nine would be arguable, but every other bridge officer I can think of has their basic version as a 1 or 2 star. This provides room to grow, which Tilly now does not have.
This is true of Lorca as well, and I guess Burnham. This isn't a judgement of Tilly as a character, it's a judgement of DB's foresight. The one character that could definitely have just been the base version is Georgiou as she isn't likely to do a lot of growth, but they made that a specific "Desert" version to allow for a lower star "Captain Georgiou" in the future.
-Lord Wizzlestix I
It's okay to not like certain characters, but there is little foundation to justify why any card in the game is assigned their respective rarity or skills with much consistency.
Also, let's go easy on cadets, shall we?
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Your point about Frasier is well taken, but he isn't a core character of whom we'll ever see another version. Wesley is a better comparison... I think it just feels weird to me that all of these people are starting out at 5 stars. Our first version of Wes was the green one, yeah? Then a white one before we ever saw anything remotely useful to anyone.
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That's to be expected given the nature of what's going on here, which is cross promotion. We're going to get 4* and 5* versions of the new crew. You could argue that we could have/should have had a 2* or 3* version of each one as well, but I don't see that as being worth the resources required.
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