That's a bit of a slap in the face to double them up like that. Have never seen the third on either Fierce Guinan OR Colonel Worf.
Same. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen part 2 of either of the 3 part chains, and I run 8hr voyages regularly since these were added.
Now that they've added additional cards to the same 3 parters...meh.
That's a bit of a slap in the face to double them up like that. Have never seen the third on either Fierce Guinan OR Colonel Worf.
Same. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen part 2 of either of the 3 part chains, and I run 8hr voyages regularly since these were added.
Now that they've added additional cards to the same 3 parters...meh.
Let's not forget how absolutely worthless those cards are. Especially McCoy, he is basically a 3-skiller.
Let's not forget how absolutely worthless those cards are. Especially McCoy, he is basically a 3-skiller.
Worf has Inspiring but is otherwise unremarkable. Picard is pretty decent I think. Almost getting to the point where if Picard's an event crew, every shuttle seat could be filled with him. There's also a decent cross section of skills too.
Whoa...who ever thought it was a good idea to do that? Actually pare them all down to 2 parters even if you have to add more dilemmas...it is ludacris yo add them to a different part of a 3 parter....
I can confirm Champion of the People Part 3 Choice A. I got this at the 6 hour mark, which is incredible.
Awesome, congrats.
I got Colonel Worf that way a while back, but have not once gotten the 3rd dilemma for any of the 3 part crew since. Doesn't give me much hope of being able to get these new ones let alone four copies of each (plus three copies each of Worf & Guinan). I regularly run 8h voyages with the occasional 10, but am not going to pay to extend them further in general.
I can confirm Champion of the People Part 3 Choice A. I got this at the 6 hour mark, which is incredible.
Assuming that each dilemma has an equal chance to drop (I don't think there is, because I have never gotten a dilemma that can reward a 4* at 2 hrs, and it is rare at 4 hrs), and there are 24 dilemmas you can get at the 2 hr mark (so not including any part 2/3), the chances of pulling Picard at the 6 hr dilemma are 1-in-13824. If you ran 6-hr voyages per day (not unreasonable), it would take an average of 19 years to get Picard (or Fierce Guinan or Colonel Worf or Dr McCoy).
Assuming that each dilemma has an equal chance to drop (I don't think there is, because I have never gotten a dilemma that can reward a 4* at 2 hrs, and it is rare at 4 hrs), and there are 24 dilemmas you can get at the 2 hr mark (so not including any part 2/3), the chances of pulling Picard at the 6 hr dilemma are 1-in-13824. If you ran 6-hr voyages per day (not unreasonable), it would take an average of 19 years to get Picard (or Fierce Guinan or Colonel Worf or Dr McCoy).
I think its a little better than that.
There are 19 Common Dilemmas. Assume you get Champ1.
At 4 hours there are 21 Dilemmas. 18 Commons, Champ 2, Talons and Winter. Other Uncommon Dilemma's are 2 parters that I'm assuming won't trigger (ex First Author).
At 6 hours there are 26 Dilemmas. Add the 5 Super Rare Dilemmas (excludes Higher3).
So 1in10374. Being able to run 2x 8hr Voyages per Day greatly improves your odds since there's a lot more variation in how Dilemmas appear.
Let's not forget how absolutely worthless those cards are. Especially McCoy, he is basically a 3-skiller.
Worf has Inspiring but is otherwise unremarkable. Picard is pretty decent I think. Almost getting to the point where if Picard's an event crew, every shuttle seat could be filled with him. There's also a decent cross section of skills too.
Ensign Picard is in fact pretty decent for a four star....
Number 3 among Super Rares with command skill
Dr. Leonard McCoy's 2 skills however make him a fairly weak card....
Number 6 among Super Rares with medical skill
Unless you really "must have them all", I personally don't think it's worth spending a lot of dil chasing either of these cards.
I had Colonel Worf drop within an 8 hour Voyage so I'll just roll the RNG dice with these two and see what happens.
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I can confirm Champion of the People Part 3 Choice A. I got this at the 6 hour mark, which is incredible.
Assuming that each dilemma has an equal chance to drop (I don't think there is, because I have never gotten a dilemma that can reward a 4* at 2 hrs, and it is rare at 4 hrs), and there are 24 dilemmas you can get at the 2 hr mark (so not including any part 2/3), the chances of pulling Picard at the 6 hr dilemma are 1-in-13824. If you ran 6-hr voyages per day (not unreasonable), it would take an average of 19 years to get Picard (or Fierce Guinan or Colonel Worf or Dr McCoy).
Sooooo...wow
So what are the odds of getting one of the new crew in 8 and 10 hour voyages?
Assuming that each dilemma has an equal chance to drop (I don't think there is, because I have never gotten a dilemma that can reward a 4* at 2 hrs, and it is rare at 4 hrs), and there are 24 dilemmas you can get at the 2 hr mark (so not including any part 2/3), the chances of pulling Picard at the 6 hr dilemma are 1-in-13824. If you ran 6-hr voyages per day (not unreasonable), it would take an average of 19 years to get Picard (or Fierce Guinan or Colonel Worf or Dr McCoy).
I think its a little better than that.
There are 19 Common Dilemmas. Assume you get Champ1.
At 4 hours there are 21 Dilemmas. 18 Commons, Champ 2, Talons and Winter. Other Uncommon Dilemma's are 2 parters that I'm assuming won't trigger (ex First Author).
At 6 hours there are 26 Dilemmas. Add the 5 Super Rare Dilemmas (excludes Higher3).
So 1in10374. Being able to run 2x 8hr Voyages per Day greatly improves your odds since there's a lot more variation in how Dilemmas appear.
You're right. I made the assumption that each dilemma is possible at 2hr (not including part 2/3) and I miscounted the possible dilemmas somehow. Still, 10k is better than 13k, but not by a huge margin. It would still take 14 years of 6hr voyages at 2 voyages per day.
As for 8hr voyages, it depends on when you get each part and if the non-Champ has a second part (I assume that you can't get the same dilemma twice in an 8hr voyage, so getting, say, Winter's Price, which has no second part, removes it from the pool of possible dilemmas, increasing your chances of getting Champ on the next one).
I ran the numbers and got a 1-in-1717 chance in an 8hr voyage, including getting part 3 at the 6hr mark (or 0.058%, for those of us who like percents more). Your chances decrease by 50% if you get a non-Champ dilemma with a second part at the 2hr mark as compared to getting Part 3 at the 6hr or 8hr mark (6hr Part 3 is the same chance as getting an 8hr Part 3 with a single-part dilemma at the 6hr mark, with a slighly lower chance if you get a multi-part dilemma at the 6hr mark). If you run an 8hr voyage twice a day, thats down to about 2.5 years on average instead of 14 years.
Again, this assumes that a single-part dilemma exits the pool after getting it, for an 8hr voyage.
I might need some more time to figure out 10hr voyages. Lots of possible combos to add up, like getting a single-part and a multi-part vs. 2 parts of a multi-part vs. 2 single-parts. And this is assuming Ivanstone doesn't find another mistake in my numbers/assumptions. Probability was always my weakest of the maths.
I mean - I'm not saying the part 3's of both of those are statistically weighted to be rare and a lower percent chance of appearing - but I got them both as my last two dilemmas. As did other people basically.
So, there are 24 dilemmas possible, not 26. Assuming what Ivanstone said about certains ones being available only at 4 hours or 6 hours is correct (it seems right), we come to
1-in-7,752 chance to get it in a 6-hour voyage - 0.0129%
1-in-2,194 chance in an 8-hour voyage (includes getting it in 6 hours and still going on to the 8-hour mark) - 0.0456%
1-in-964 chance in a 10-hour voyage (same as above, but with both 6- and 8-hour successes) - 0.104%
Assumptions:
2 dilemmas are only available at or after 4 hours
5 dilemmas are only available at or after 6 hours
Any single-part dilemma (like The Greater Need) is removed from the pool after it appears. So if it shows up at the 6 hr dilemma, then instead of 24 possible choices for the 8 hr mark, there are only 23, increasing your chances slightly. Multi-part ones (like Off the Books or Retrofit) are replaced by their 2nd (or 3rd) part, and the number of choices remains the same.
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Same. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen part 2 of either of the 3 part chains, and I run 8hr voyages regularly since these were added.
Now that they've added additional cards to the same 3 parters...meh.
Let's not forget how absolutely worthless those cards are. Especially McCoy, he is basically a 3-skiller.
Worf has Inspiring but is otherwise unremarkable. Picard is pretty decent I think. Almost getting to the point where if Picard's an event crew, every shuttle seat could be filled with him. There's also a decent cross section of skills too.
Champion of the People, Part 3, Choice A.
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I can confirm Champion of the People Part 3 Choice A. I got this at the 6 hour mark, which is incredible.
I've seen some jam in my time, but that takes the whole jar.
Awesome, congrats.
I got Colonel Worf that way a while back, but have not once gotten the 3rd dilemma for any of the 3 part crew since. Doesn't give me much hope of being able to get these new ones let alone four copies of each (plus three copies each of Worf & Guinan). I regularly run 8h voyages with the occasional 10, but am not going to pay to extend them further in general.
Assuming that each dilemma has an equal chance to drop (I don't think there is, because I have never gotten a dilemma that can reward a 4* at 2 hrs, and it is rare at 4 hrs), and there are 24 dilemmas you can get at the 2 hr mark (so not including any part 2/3), the chances of pulling Picard at the 6 hr dilemma are 1-in-13824. If you ran 6-hr voyages per day (not unreasonable), it would take an average of 19 years to get Picard (or Fierce Guinan or Colonel Worf or Dr McCoy).
Sooooo...wow
There are 19 Common Dilemmas. Assume you get Champ1.
At 4 hours there are 21 Dilemmas. 18 Commons, Champ 2, Talons and Winter. Other Uncommon Dilemma's are 2 parters that I'm assuming won't trigger (ex First Author).
At 6 hours there are 26 Dilemmas. Add the 5 Super Rare Dilemmas (excludes Higher3).
So 1in10374. Being able to run 2x 8hr Voyages per Day greatly improves your odds since there's a lot more variation in how Dilemmas appear.
Ensign Picard is in fact pretty decent for a four star....
Number 3 among Super Rares with command skill
Dr. Leonard McCoy's 2 skills however make him a fairly weak card....
Number 6 among Super Rares with medical skill
Unless you really "must have them all", I personally don't think it's worth spending a lot of dil chasing either of these cards.
I had Colonel Worf drop within an 8 hour Voyage so I'll just roll the RNG dice with these two and see what happens.
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So what are the odds of getting one of the new crew in 8 and 10 hour voyages?
You're right. I made the assumption that each dilemma is possible at 2hr (not including part 2/3) and I miscounted the possible dilemmas somehow. Still, 10k is better than 13k, but not by a huge margin. It would still take 14 years of 6hr voyages at 2 voyages per day.
As for 8hr voyages, it depends on when you get each part and if the non-Champ has a second part (I assume that you can't get the same dilemma twice in an 8hr voyage, so getting, say, Winter's Price, which has no second part, removes it from the pool of possible dilemmas, increasing your chances of getting Champ on the next one).
I ran the numbers and got a 1-in-1717 chance in an 8hr voyage, including getting part 3 at the 6hr mark (or 0.058%, for those of us who like percents more). Your chances decrease by 50% if you get a non-Champ dilemma with a second part at the 2hr mark as compared to getting Part 3 at the 6hr or 8hr mark (6hr Part 3 is the same chance as getting an 8hr Part 3 with a single-part dilemma at the 6hr mark, with a slighly lower chance if you get a multi-part dilemma at the 6hr mark). If you run an 8hr voyage twice a day, thats down to about 2.5 years on average instead of 14 years.
Again, this assumes that a single-part dilemma exits the pool after getting it, for an 8hr voyage.
I might need some more time to figure out 10hr voyages. Lots of possible combos to add up, like getting a single-part and a multi-part vs. 2 parts of a multi-part vs. 2 single-parts. And this is assuming Ivanstone doesn't find another mistake in my numbers/assumptions. Probability was always my weakest of the maths.
But this version has all the experience and actions of the future Captain Picard, since Q put his mind into his younger self
1-in-7,752 chance to get it in a 6-hour voyage - 0.0129%
1-in-2,194 chance in an 8-hour voyage (includes getting it in 6 hours and still going on to the 8-hour mark) - 0.0456%
1-in-964 chance in a 10-hour voyage (same as above, but with both 6- and 8-hour successes) - 0.104%
Assumptions:
2 dilemmas are only available at or after 4 hours
5 dilemmas are only available at or after 6 hours
Any single-part dilemma (like The Greater Need) is removed from the pool after it appears. So if it shows up at the 6 hr dilemma, then instead of 24 possible choices for the 8 hr mark, there are only 23, increasing your chances slightly. Multi-part ones (like Off the Books or Retrofit) are replaced by their 2nd (or 3rd) part, and the number of choices remains the same.