For everyone who fought for Silva LaForge, leveled up event crews, used shuttle boosts etc etc, I hope we can all get a MUCH quicker resolution than Yar Gate this time. Things like this really put a downer on the game
And it's not even the first, second or fifth time the "error during Galaxy, quick, throw chronitons at them" (aka throw a Molotov at a burning gas station) scenario has happened AND had THIS very reaction from the community AND be promised that they won't make that mistake again.
Chronitons are a post event apology.
Dilithium, citations or, a free copy of the event rank 5* are the proper and previously established corrections.
This and the last event (lol, because they are ALL linked now ) were / are a waste of Time and resources.
Oh, and for future consideration..
Because the Data isn't purchasable yet
You could fix HIS bonus only, send -him- with 1000 chronitons and that I think would be a good fix.
Then.. if people end bow out, they can.
If prior want to press on and try for a second star, then they know what's up and how things are.
1)You screwed up, this is your fault, you need to make it right. Fixing an error needs to provide GREATER compensation then doing it right the first time.
2) People are upset because the whole game is based around getting and using crew to have an advantage. People feel that they wasted resources, time & effort. The cost is not just the bug, it’s the opportunity cost of what else we could have done if DB didn’t screw up.
3) compensation needs to be standardized transparent and consistent. The only appropriate compensation for when you mess up this bad and ruin an event starts with choice of the 5* crew or a Gold Citation. This was compensation for Yar, this was compensation for when your bug hosed the “they come from the holodeck” event about a year ago.
4) the chrons dropping during a galaxy was a bad idea it doesn’t actually help anyone competingin the event. They would have been good additional compensation after.
5)anything less will upset people and make things worse. Again, your fault, make it right
6) PS if people spent real money/packs on crew that they couldn’t use, they deserve refunds
6) PS if people spent real money/packs on crew that they couldn’t use, they deserve refunds
^^^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE.
You either:
1. Give me a copy of Pinafore Data or
2. Refund the money I spent on Bateson thinking he'd at least be useful for this event or
3. That's the last money you get from me.
I am so angry about this I can't even see straight.
Give EVERYONE in the game a copy of Data, you still owe me money.
I know I'm not the only one in this boat. Make it right, DB.
I say since DB can't launch a clean event, not fix it while it's going wrong, let us boycott the next one and, not spend a penny on this game till it's end. "NUTS" to their 1k sorries!
Might it make sense to allow us to trade our Silva La Forges for HMS Pinafore Datas?
That way, we didn't compete in last week's event for a largely useless card (that would have been useful, had the bonuses been working). It's in keeping with the spirit of DB's new idea of getting a legendary that will be useful in the following event. Clearly, Silva wasn't!
Well, I am clearly in the extreme minority here, but I think this was handled properly. OBVIOUSLY all parties agree it would have been better had the event worked properly, but since that did not happen all DB was left with was how to address the situation.
They have chosen to give EVERYONE 1,000 chronitons, in theory to offset the extra chronitons we have been forced to spend to hit threshold+ given the horrible bonus chance rates.
If they did anything else it would have drastically manipulated the results, and for that reason I 100% agree with them that doing anything now would be wrong.
Instead of complaining about it, why not see it for what it is, an opportunity? If you want to keep going, congratulations, you are still on an level playing field with everyone else who is still trying, only you get 1,000 more chronitons to use. If you are threshold and out, congratulations, you now have 1,000 more chronitons to use net week! Like seriously, sometimes this forum is just soul-crushing with all the complaining, whining, etc. Take a deep breath, process the situation, exhale slowly, and move on!
Well, I am clearly in the extreme minority here, but I think this was handled properly. OBVIOUSLY all parties agree it would have been better had the event worked properly, but since that did not happen all DB was left with was how to address the situation.
They have chosen to give EVERYONE 1,000 chronitons, in theory to offset the extra chronitons we have been forced to spend to hit threshold+ given the horrible bonus chance rates.
If they did anything else it would have drastically manipulated the results, and for that reason I 100% agree with them that doing anything now would be wrong.
Instead of complaining about it, why not see it for what it is, an opportunity? If you want to keep going, congratulations, you are still on an level playing field with everyone else who is still trying, only you get 1,000 more chronitons to use. If you are threshold and out, congratulations, you now have 1,000 more chronitons to use net week! Like seriously, sometimes this forum is just soul-crushing with all the complaining, whining, etc. Take a deep breath, process the situation, exhale slowly, and move on!
And if you are actually competing for the top 1k because you planned and built resources, you are not ahead
It’s like no one thinks things through. lol. I would love to see the decision making flow chart.
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If you want to keep going, congratulations, you are still on an level playing field with everyone else who is still trying
First let me begin with I have great respect for you @ByloBand always have and always will. The event crew I have that is immortalized should be an advantage which is the whole purpose behind events having event crew. As it is, all of my immortalized main event crew now give basically the same bonus as other non-event crew that others may have, thus negating the advantage that I worked hard for over the 20 months of playing the game. Simply put, if they don't have immortalized main event crew and I do we should not be "on a level playing field". I didn't create these parameters, DB did and it is unfair to those of us that should have an advantage when we don't.
If you want to keep going, congratulations, you are still on an level playing field with everyone else who is still trying
First let me begin with I have great respect for you @ByloBand always have and always will. The event crew I have that is immortalized should be an advantage which is the whole purpose behind events having event crew. As it is, all of my immortalized main event crew now give basically the same bonus as other non-event crew that others may have, thus negating the advantage that I worked hard for over the 20 months of playing the game. Simply put, if they don't have immortalized main event crew and I do we should not be "on a level playing field". I didn't create these parameters, DB did and it is unfair to those of us that should have an advantage when we don't.
Yes, this goes back way further than this weekend. I spent money the first time around with this event, and was able to get 2 stars on Bateson from that event, was fortunate enough to get a third from 10x pulls along the way, then used a citation before this event knowing I'd get the fifth star during the event to actually compete for a top 1000 finish and a cool new Data. All of that amounts to nothing because Mirror Picard, who nearly everyone has FF/FE, is almost as useful as the Bateson I'd prepared, and thats not the only "other" crew that competes or is equal to Sulu and Harriman, who I had FF/FE before the event.
How do I get help on this? I spent way more than a thousand crons are worth who do I talk to
As stated by others, submit a ticket. However, I advise patience. They will doubtless give us more information tomorrow. Whatever compensation is offered will not meet everyone's expectations, but if it fills your personal needs, then be happy and move on with your life. If it does not, submit a ticket. I also recommend looking at what is offered in a vacuum: forgetting about if it advantages or disadvantages others, is it what you feel is fair for you. That will keep you sane.
I am benefiting quite greatly from the way this error is being handled. I didn't go for Data. I really focused on the shuttles to hit threshold and get the one remaining Sulu that I need (top 3,000). Since the error is making it harder for players who are using chronitons in the Galaxy portion, I have an advantage. I may have to spend a few chronitons to maintain my rank, but probably won't need to touch the 1,000 chronitons that were sent out. So I'll have them for the next Galaxy event.
If DB sends out a citation or a Pinafore Data to all players, I'll get an even bigger reward for low participation. I mean, I'm fine with that if that's what everyone wants, but are you all really willing to give that to me when you spent much more resources?
The timing of the Sorrytons was pretty bad. Some players will use them to try to get into or stay in the top 1,000. That just makes my 1,000 Sorrytons more valuable because I'll still have them next week. It would have been better for the players who are actually trying hard this event if the Sorrytons were sent out an hour after the event ends.
I find it very unfortunate that so many players are mad. I generally like the community and the other players. I don't want anyone to leave or stop spending money (which funds the game). The unfortunate thing is that I suspect that both of those things may happen.
If you want to keep going, congratulations, you are still on an level playing field with everyone else who is still trying
First let me begin with I have great respect for you @ByloBand always have and always will. The event crew I have that is immortalized should be an advantage which is the whole purpose behind events having event crew. As it is, all of my immortalized main event crew now give basically the same bonus as other non-event crew that others may have, thus negating the advantage that I worked hard for over the 20 months of playing the game. Simply put, if they don't have immortalized main event crew and I do we should not be "on a level playing field". I didn't create these parameters, DB did and it is unfair to those of us that should have an advantage when we don't.
Thank you for your respect, I try to conduct myself honorably and with integrity. Likewise, I have tremendous respect for you as well, you speak the truth and I admire that immensely.
I understand your position, but how about I raise you the other end? Not sure if you saw my comment in the official announcement thread, but when this week started I had literally ZERO copies of ANY of these event crew. Zero. So I spent over $20 of money I really didn't even have and wiped out my dilithium reserves to buy up a few deals and event pack bundles in the Time Portal and then dropped nearly 3,000 chronitons before the event even started to get myself up to speed for this event. I did that freely of my own will, and I did so in part because I am the leader of my squadron in our relatively new and growing fleet, and I always try to give it 100% effort to show everyone that we mean business and intend to become a force, but also to repay the trust my squadmates placed in me by joining my squad.
I then pushed HARD in phase one, sending out shuttles around the clock, using up boosts constantly, and encouraging everyone in my fleet and squad to do their best. By the time phase one was over I was over 100K victory, which is IMO impressive considering I've been playing 6 months, had no event crew two days prior, and only have three shuttles. I pushed hard and was competing with people far above my level.
And now this mess happens of phase two. If anything I should be more upset than most given all I had invested this week in both dollars, time, boosts, chronitons, etc, but you know what? I'm actually at peace with it, because for me this is what it is like EVERY week. EVERY week is a brutal struggle for people like me who have only been playing 6 months, we are up against literally thousands of "seasoned" players who already have hundreds and hundreds of crew in their freezers and who have the resources to just squash the field if they so choose (I work HARD to maintain a chroniton reserve around 11,000, and I have to spend about 6,000 every week just to compete) so for me, having something like this set me back is just how this game works, because even when everything works perfectly, I'm still so screwed it is a wonder I even keep playing.
So yeah, when I see something like this happen where the "haves" are actually inconvenienced for one week and they throw a massive public pity party, I am going to say something, because that is how the rest of us live every minute of every day in this game, and yet we keep playing with a smile on our faces because we love this game, and we quite frankly cannot understand why people in such a better position cannot just be happy. Or at the very least content. I would never try and tell someone in this situation not to be upset, but man when the crowd starts to instantly start screaming loudly for compensation, it is very off-putting.
That is just how I feel, I'm not trying to start a bonfire here, just trying to get people to maybe realize that other people have it a lot worse off. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment in a dignified and respectful way, I appreciate your contributions both to this thread and to the forums, and I look forward to having continued positive interactions with you
You're welcome. Call me David. I was so mad at the Yar fiasco that it affected my feelings around others and my attitude. That was so unnecessary. DB knows what is going on. They will make mistakes, but they will make it acceptable in the end for 95% of players. My Yar recompense was not ideal, but it was satisfactory. This time, I'm not as affected as many, but I am affected more than many others. Frankly I trust that DB will do fine by me. As for others, I wish them well. I don't look at others as competition. For me, this is only for me.
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Oddly I had 15 event crew and I wasted over 1000 merits defrosting crew. Stopped aiming high when I saw the bonus error and started looking for 2/4 Sulu instead. This game is getting more and more messed up by the week.
And if you are actually competing for the top 1k because you planned and built resources, you are not ahead
Actually, you and not ahead nor behind. You are in exactly the same state as before as the only people aiming for top 1k will be the ones who got De Silva and finished her, and Bateson and finished him as well. Since no one has any advantage from the crew, you are in the same competitive state as before...
I think the bottom line is people want credit for the crew they had, and the advantages that those crew should have yielded, I really don't think that is expecting too much. Its pretty bad if you worked hard, or spent hard, to get Maxed De silva, in hopes of being able to utilize her for this event, only to have that advantage servery reduced.
You know DB i really wasn't sure about going for Silva, at 1/5 shes not exactly setting anyone knickers on fire and im so choked with 1/5 already. However, i thought shed be quite useful this event. I've been playing 8 months so I don't have a FF Mirror Picard or anything, I truly thought she'd be quite useful. I lead a squad and I take that far too seriously, and wanted a good card to share.
Without a doubt she's a sorry excuse in the second half, I don't even see her! But even in the first half some of my squad were complaining their 4/4 Robin Hood was getting more shuttle action.
My (Mirror) free account is a lot more happier. I managed to score enough VP to get the supply kit in thresholds, and I've just been sent 1000 chrons for a bug that didn't really affect me. I can only get my 3/4 Harriman to level 70 anyway, and the only crew member I have immortilised is 2* Crusher, so none of my crew get much bonus tbh!
And if you are actually competing for the top 1k because you planned and built resources, you are not ahead
Actually, you and not ahead nor behind. You are in exactly the same state as before as the only people aiming for top 1k will be the ones who got De Silva and finished her, and Bateson and finished him as well. Since no one has any advantage from the crew, you are in the same competitive state as before...
Really? The only people? I don't have De Silva at all and Bateson is 1/5 and sitting untouched yet I'm currently 27th.
I would be fine with it if they left it at 1000 chrons and gave refunds to those who spent money, dilithium and/or lots of chrons in an attempt to rank high (I'm not one of them).
But it appears that this is now some sort of "send out a ticket and make a convincing case of how high you could have ranked or how angry you are and you will get anything in between a free 5* and a pat on the shoulder". So, in a few days, there will be people who did exactly what I did in this event and were affected exactly as much as I was (not that much) who will have a free Pinafore Data or a bunch of dilithium or a gold citation that I will not have, since I don't plan to send a ticket. And others who were really bothered by the bug and maybe event contacted CS and didn't get anything.
That's why I think that, if they don't give refunds, then it would be better if they gave out some other general compensation, which could be scaled according to rank or available event crew or whatever. Obviously, it would also benefit people who were not affected by the bug or who even had an advantage because of it, but I don't really see that as a big issue. The event will be over anyway.
You know DB i really wasn't sure about going for Silva, at 1/5 shes not exactly setting anyone knickers on fire and im so choked with 1/5 already. However, i thought shed be quite useful this event. I've been playing 8 months so I don't have a FF Mirror Picard or anything, I truly thought she'd be quite useful. I lead a squad and I take that far too seriously, and wanted a good card to share.
Man I can't imagine playing this event without Mirror Picard - Him, North Star Archer and Arachnia are doing nearly 50% of the work for me.
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Chronitons are a post event apology.
Dilithium, citations or, a free copy of the event rank 5* are the proper and previously established corrections.
This and the last event (lol, because they are ALL linked now ) were / are a waste of Time and resources.
Oh, and for future consideration..
Because the Data isn't purchasable yet
You could fix HIS bonus only, send -him- with 1000 chronitons and that I think would be a good fix.
Then.. if people end bow out, they can.
If prior want to press on and try for a second star, then they know what's up and how things are.
1)You screwed up, this is your fault, you need to make it right. Fixing an error needs to provide GREATER compensation then doing it right the first time.
2) People are upset because the whole game is based around getting and using crew to have an advantage. People feel that they wasted resources, time & effort. The cost is not just the bug, it’s the opportunity cost of what else we could have done if DB didn’t screw up.
3) compensation needs to be standardized transparent and consistent. The only appropriate compensation for when you mess up this bad and ruin an event starts with choice of the 5* crew or a Gold Citation. This was compensation for Yar, this was compensation for when your bug hosed the “they come from the holodeck” event about a year ago.
4) the chrons dropping during a galaxy was a bad idea it doesn’t actually help anyone competingin the event. They would have been good additional compensation after.
5)anything less will upset people and make things worse. Again, your fault, make it right
6) PS if people spent real money/packs on crew that they couldn’t use, they deserve refunds
^^^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE.
You either:
1. Give me a copy of Pinafore Data or
2. Refund the money I spent on Bateson thinking he'd at least be useful for this event or
3. That's the last money you get from me.
I am so angry about this I can't even see straight.
Give EVERYONE in the game a copy of Data, you still owe me money.
I know I'm not the only one in this boat. Make it right, DB.
That way, we didn't compete in last week's event for a largely useless card (that would have been useful, had the bonuses been working). It's in keeping with the spirit of DB's new idea of getting a legendary that will be useful in the following event. Clearly, Silva wasn't!
They have chosen to give EVERYONE 1,000 chronitons, in theory to offset the extra chronitons we have been forced to spend to hit threshold+ given the horrible bonus chance rates.
If they did anything else it would have drastically manipulated the results, and for that reason I 100% agree with them that doing anything now would be wrong.
Instead of complaining about it, why not see it for what it is, an opportunity? If you want to keep going, congratulations, you are still on an level playing field with everyone else who is still trying, only you get 1,000 more chronitons to use. If you are threshold and out, congratulations, you now have 1,000 more chronitons to use net week! Like seriously, sometimes this forum is just soul-crushing with all the complaining, whining, etc. Take a deep breath, process the situation, exhale slowly, and move on!
And if you are actually competing for the top 1k because you planned and built resources, you are not ahead
Not to be picky here, as we are all on the same page, but FCC controls radio waves above your head. FTC controls the content of those radio waves.
First let me begin with I have great respect for you @ByloBand always have and always will. The event crew I have that is immortalized should be an advantage which is the whole purpose behind events having event crew. As it is, all of my immortalized main event crew now give basically the same bonus as other non-event crew that others may have, thus negating the advantage that I worked hard for over the 20 months of playing the game. Simply put, if they don't have immortalized main event crew and I do we should not be "on a level playing field". I didn't create these parameters, DB did and it is unfair to those of us that should have an advantage when we don't.
Yes, this goes back way further than this weekend. I spent money the first time around with this event, and was able to get 2 stars on Bateson from that event, was fortunate enough to get a third from 10x pulls along the way, then used a citation before this event knowing I'd get the fifth star during the event to actually compete for a top 1000 finish and a cool new Data. All of that amounts to nothing because Mirror Picard, who nearly everyone has FF/FE, is almost as useful as the Bateson I'd prepared, and thats not the only "other" crew that competes or is equal to Sulu and Harriman, who I had FF/FE before the event.
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As stated by others, submit a ticket. However, I advise patience. They will doubtless give us more information tomorrow. Whatever compensation is offered will not meet everyone's expectations, but if it fills your personal needs, then be happy and move on with your life. If it does not, submit a ticket. I also recommend looking at what is offered in a vacuum: forgetting about if it advantages or disadvantages others, is it what you feel is fair for you. That will keep you sane.
If DB sends out a citation or a Pinafore Data to all players, I'll get an even bigger reward for low participation. I mean, I'm fine with that if that's what everyone wants, but are you all really willing to give that to me when you spent much more resources?
The timing of the Sorrytons was pretty bad. Some players will use them to try to get into or stay in the top 1,000. That just makes my 1,000 Sorrytons more valuable because I'll still have them next week. It would have been better for the players who are actually trying hard this event if the Sorrytons were sent out an hour after the event ends.
I find it very unfortunate that so many players are mad. I generally like the community and the other players. I don't want anyone to leave or stop spending money (which funds the game). The unfortunate thing is that I suspect that both of those things may happen.
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Thank you for your respect, I try to conduct myself honorably and with integrity. Likewise, I have tremendous respect for you as well, you speak the truth and I admire that immensely.
I understand your position, but how about I raise you the other end? Not sure if you saw my comment in the official announcement thread, but when this week started I had literally ZERO copies of ANY of these event crew. Zero. So I spent over $20 of money I really didn't even have and wiped out my dilithium reserves to buy up a few deals and event pack bundles in the Time Portal and then dropped nearly 3,000 chronitons before the event even started to get myself up to speed for this event. I did that freely of my own will, and I did so in part because I am the leader of my squadron in our relatively new and growing fleet, and I always try to give it 100% effort to show everyone that we mean business and intend to become a force, but also to repay the trust my squadmates placed in me by joining my squad.
I then pushed HARD in phase one, sending out shuttles around the clock, using up boosts constantly, and encouraging everyone in my fleet and squad to do their best. By the time phase one was over I was over 100K victory, which is IMO impressive considering I've been playing 6 months, had no event crew two days prior, and only have three shuttles. I pushed hard and was competing with people far above my level.
And now this mess happens of phase two. If anything I should be more upset than most given all I had invested this week in both dollars, time, boosts, chronitons, etc, but you know what? I'm actually at peace with it, because for me this is what it is like EVERY week. EVERY week is a brutal struggle for people like me who have only been playing 6 months, we are up against literally thousands of "seasoned" players who already have hundreds and hundreds of crew in their freezers and who have the resources to just squash the field if they so choose (I work HARD to maintain a chroniton reserve around 11,000, and I have to spend about 6,000 every week just to compete) so for me, having something like this set me back is just how this game works, because even when everything works perfectly, I'm still so screwed it is a wonder I even keep playing.
So yeah, when I see something like this happen where the "haves" are actually inconvenienced for one week and they throw a massive public pity party, I am going to say something, because that is how the rest of us live every minute of every day in this game, and yet we keep playing with a smile on our faces because we love this game, and we quite frankly cannot understand why people in such a better position cannot just be happy. Or at the very least content. I would never try and tell someone in this situation not to be upset, but man when the crowd starts to instantly start screaming loudly for compensation, it is very off-putting.
That is just how I feel, I'm not trying to start a bonfire here, just trying to get people to maybe realize that other people have it a lot worse off. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment in a dignified and respectful way, I appreciate your contributions both to this thread and to the forums, and I look forward to having continued positive interactions with you
You're welcome. Call me David. I was so mad at the Yar fiasco that it affected my feelings around others and my attitude. That was so unnecessary. DB knows what is going on. They will make mistakes, but they will make it acceptable in the end for 95% of players. My Yar recompense was not ideal, but it was satisfactory. This time, I'm not as affected as many, but I am affected more than many others. Frankly I trust that DB will do fine by me. As for others, I wish them well. I don't look at others as competition. For me, this is only for me.
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Actually, you and not ahead nor behind. You are in exactly the same state as before as the only people aiming for top 1k will be the ones who got De Silva and finished her, and Bateson and finished him as well. Since no one has any advantage from the crew, you are in the same competitive state as before...
Without a doubt she's a sorry excuse in the second half, I don't even see her! But even in the first half some of my squad were complaining their 4/4 Robin Hood was getting more shuttle action.
My (Mirror) free account is a lot more happier. I managed to score enough VP to get the supply kit in thresholds, and I've just been sent 1000 chrons for a bug that didn't really affect me. I can only get my 3/4 Harriman to level 70 anyway, and the only crew member I have immortilised is 2* Crusher, so none of my crew get much bonus tbh!
So, next week I'm threshold and out 🙌
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Really? The only people? I don't have De Silva at all and Bateson is 1/5 and sitting untouched yet I'm currently 27th.
But it appears that this is now some sort of "send out a ticket and make a convincing case of how high you could have ranked or how angry you are and you will get anything in between a free 5* and a pat on the shoulder". So, in a few days, there will be people who did exactly what I did in this event and were affected exactly as much as I was (not that much) who will have a free Pinafore Data or a bunch of dilithium or a gold citation that I will not have, since I don't plan to send a ticket. And others who were really bothered by the bug and maybe event contacted CS and didn't get anything.
That's why I think that, if they don't give refunds, then it would be better if they gave out some other general compensation, which could be scaled according to rank or available event crew or whatever. Obviously, it would also benefit people who were not affected by the bug or who even had an advantage because of it, but I don't really see that as a big issue. The event will be over anyway.
Man I can't imagine playing this event without Mirror Picard - Him, North Star Archer and Arachnia are doing nearly 50% of the work for me.
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