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Discovery Season Two. Please do not post spoilers.
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It was Spock that did it.
(only joking, not watched it yet.)
(only joking, not watched it yet.)
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You have already posted your dislike of Discovery in another thread so I suggest anyone reading his post take his bias into account. I enjoyed the episode.
Guess you didn't actually watch the episode then?
Let's stay nice
I fell on a YouTube video of someone reviewing the show who started off by saying "I will never enjoy this show unless they erase the relationship between Burnham and Spock" and had to turn it off. If you can't get past something so integral to the plot - why are you watching it? If you hate it that much - why are you putting yourself through it? Spend your time and energy on stuff that brings you joy - you only get so many heartbeats.
Yeah there is a little clique of streamers that do that. Picking fault with tiniest detail that doesn't fit in with their precious concept of "canon".
They love the Orville because it is a carbon copy of tng from 30 years ago, they are like tos fans were when tng first aired.
There is no room for fresh creativity in their trek universe.
*cough*
TOS fan who loved it when TNG aired. In hindsight the first two seasons weren't very good, but after that gave us some of the best Trek out there.
And without giving any spoilers, I see a pretty wicked addition to our Eng-Med crew.
There were parts in S1 I really enjoyed such as the Mirror Universe episodes. I also like a lot of the characters, especially Stammets and Saru. And some episodes were almost classic Trek episodes such as the Time Loop episode with Harry Mudd. I also don't mind that Burnham is Spock's foster sister, or the Spore Drive or even the Klingons looking the way they do.
But there are cringe-worthy scenes that just grate on me. The scene in S1 where Burnham is crawling through a Jeffries tube reciting Alice in Wonderland, Tilly's swearing for example.
And theres quite a few scenes where Starfleet officers are not behaving like Starfleet officers. In S1,Landry doesn't listen to advice and is killed, and the treatment Burnham gets when she first arrives on Discovery is shocking. I know she "started" the war, but these are supposed to be enlightened humans who know how to forgive.
I'm hoping that my issues with Discovery will go away. I'm hoping its just a case of the show finding it's feet. After all, the first seasons of most Trek series are generally considered to be the worst.
LLAP.
I'm not in disagreement with you, I just try to be kind to the Orville because it has its moments and is harmless enough.
Totally agree about it being hijacked by spiteful anti-trek fans, they want it disco fail, they won't say a good word about anything in it. They kind of talked themselves into a bitter position and can't be seen to lose face by changing their minds.
Same here! Tng was lucky the internet wasn't big those first couple of seasons though hehe.
And then it turned into sheet. (sheet is that thing which is a byproduct of eating food, and a real word is censored)
Boring, dull and stupid action sequences. I wanted to skip scenes because it feels like a stupid Marvel or any other modern franchise that I don't even want to watch.
Watching actors in front of the green screen while they are screaming and yelling isn't exciting or fun, it's boring and all that scenes are skippable.
Good points: PIKE! He is incredible. That science officer from Enterprise was funny with his bickering.
Tilly has her moments if you like her, Stamets finally feels like a real person without a mushroom addiction.
Bad points: Michael Burnham. She is just a female version of Wesley Crusher. If she would be written off and replaced with Number One Discovery could become an awesome show.
I don't care about her, she isn't interesting and she never struggles for anything.
I don't mean this as an attack on you, but I don't get this hate on the "political correctness" of the show. That's literally what Star Trek has been since the beginning - Fuller and Kurtzman are executing on Roddenberry's mission (one Berman did a good job of squashing for nearly two decades). A woman on the bridge was progressive Social Justice Warrior AF in 1966. A black woman even moreso. An Asian, and eventually a Russian, at the helm? Progressive. The first interracial kiss featuring a black person on television? Progressive.
Discovery is trying to live up to that idyllic future that Roddenberry believed in. In some ways the show may fail spectularly, but this is definitely one way in which it excels brilliantly.
The show means so much to so many people because of that vision, myself included. And it bothers me that we're at the point now where our society is so divided that people can actually say (and believe) that Discovery is not Trek.
Burnham us simply not likable as a character to a lot of people
It has nothing to do with her gender or color
As an actress she is just unlikable
Honestly, I agree that Sonequa Martin-Green isn't the most amazing actress, and that Burnham is a bit too Mary Sue-like. She does a serviceable job, but she's no Patrick Stewart, and Burnham is no Picard.
But that works when the argument is "I don't like Martin-Green's acting." It doesn't work when the argument is "the show is too politically correct."
I did have two big issues with that episode, though, which I'll place in spoilers for those who've not had a chance to watch.
My guess is that this is supposed to account for why Pike isn't a grizzled war veteran, in stark contrast to Lorca. If so, I think they did him a disservice by not tying his personality into the aforementioned burnout circa "The Cage". I'd have greater appreciation for a guy who had reached that point a few years ago, worked through it, then fought through a desperate war, and came out of it with hopefulness intact.
The other issue I took was that there is just no way that Sarek wanted Spock to learn empathy, not from Michael or Amanda or anyone else. That's entirely antithetical to everything we know about their relationship and Sarek's parenting of Spock.
These issues could be explored and more satisfactorily explained later, but I was rather put off by them up front. We'll see.
If TNG had aired fresh today, I don't know if it would have been kept on the air after Code of Honor.
Yeah even the most ardent right wing fan can't defend that one. It stunk.
It's not even a right-left thing, that episode was downright offensive.
Code of Honor aside, if TNG season 1 aired today I don't know if it would have been renewed for a second or third season. Those first two seasons were really rough, and ending the 2nd season in a clip show was particularly terrible.
The first interracial kiss on tv was nine years before Star Trek episode aired.
Anyway, I like disco and i like Orville.
I have problems with both but it is to enjoy tv time with family and both come through.
I think acting has anyway deteriorated across board in all media as well as story writing and having raised in multiple cultures I can identify how derivative or copycat even disco ideas are. Orville does not pretend otherwise and I think Seth MacFarlane is holding back on either turning the comedy higher or afraid that taking that tack can sink the ship.
On other hand, canon aside and I am still reeling from Disney destroying 30 years of star wars cannon...
In disco they are ten years ahead of tos with 50 years of special affects tech and uniforms and i still remember pike uncomfortable with woman on bridge in original series and now he has five... :-)
So enjoy
Starfleet officers not behaving like Starfleet has been a Trek trope since TOS' Enemy Within, a number of episodes and movies pivot around that point.
Landry is a bit of an odd one, I'd hoped she'd have turned out to be MU too to explain her stupidity.
As for the crew, Trek is rooted in interpersonal conflict - why TNG ended up the way it did is a bit of a sorry tale, and if Roddenberry hadn't surrendered to his inner demons, we'd have seen more conflict.
And DISCO isn't the first series to show a level of unforgiveness, DS9 did do so too when they went undercover as Klingons.
It was voted as the second worse episode of any Star Trek show at the 50th anniversary Star Trek convention by the fans. Only "These Are the Voyages" was considered worse (I don't like the episode either, especially as ENT finale, but it is an "okish" episode if you consider it a special TNG episode).
https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/10-worst-episodes-of-star-trek/
And I agree, the first TNG season was in most parts awefull. I have no idea how the show could make it into a second season to eventually become one of the best Star Trek shows.
Yes, the people are supposed to be enlightened, but that doesn’t mean they are perfect. To be enlightened is to have a rational, modern, or well-informed outlook. While that does mean that they are open-minded, it doesn’t mean that they don’t have their own opinions. People always want a scapegoat, and Michael was the perfect candidate.