I'm praying to the angels of the Honor Hall that we get another Champion this year. I would also love if there was another low-star variant from any show that's not ENT.
As a regular player, I now feel comfortable saying that I really REALLY did not enjoy Enterprise (but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't).
I'm praying to the angels of the Honor Hall that we get another Champion this year. I would also love if there was another low-star variant from any show that's not ENT.
As a regular player, I now feel comfortable saying that I really REALLY did not enjoy Enterprise (but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't).
T'Pol made ENT for me. That and Archer grew on me over time. But it was mostly T'Pol
I'm praying to the angels of the Honor Hall that we get another Champion this year. I would also love if there was another low-star variant from any show that's not ENT.
As a regular player, I now feel comfortable saying that I really REALLY did not enjoy Enterprise (but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't).
So you’re the one who kept Enterprise off the STT map! I suspect others in the company shared your sentiments
As a regular player, I now feel comfortable saying that I really REALLY did not enjoy Enterprise (but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't).
I've warmed to ENT over time, but mostly because I'm highly selective of the episodes I'll watch.
Season 1 & 2: only episodes that feature Shran, or center on Phlox
Season 3: Xindi core episodes only, skipping over the T'Pucker scenes and T'Pol's drug habit
Season 4: this one is mostly good, excepting the notorious finale
If continuity is important you'll have to toss in most of the temporal cold war episodes. I find these are more palatable when I compare the different ways that Silik and Daniels treat Archer like a bumpkin.
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As a regular player, I now feel comfortable saying that I really REALLY did not enjoy Enterprise (but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't).
I've warmed to ENT over time, but mostly because I'm highly selective of the episodes I'll watch.
Season 1 & 2: only episodes that feature Shran, or center on Phlox
Season 3: Xindi core episodes only, skipping over the T'Pucker scenes and T'Pol's drug habit
Season 4: this one is mostly good, excepting the notorious finale
If continuity is important you'll have to toss in most of the temporal cold war episodes. I find these are more palatable when I compare the different ways that Silik and Daniels treat Archer like a bumpkin.
I agree with your statement wholeheartedly. Those are my exact thoughts on Enterprise as well. I would expand them slightly to say the best thing about Enterprise is Jeffrey Combs. I believe Shran to be his best character of all. I loved the character development arc of Shran and his friendship with Archer. Towards season 4 they are as close as brothers. Every Shran ep is great. I would love to see a star trek show with Jeffrey Combs as the captain. He is an excellent actor and he has earned it.
As with most series they did not get their footing until season 3 or beyond. Even the showmakers say to skip TNG season 1 and part of 2. DS9 really didn't get going until they introduced the Dominion, and Voyager didn't take off until the Borg and Seven were introduced.
As with most series they did not get their footing until season 3 or beyond. Even the showmakers say to skip TNG season 1 and part of 2. DS9 really didn't get going until they introduced the Dominion, and Voyager didn't take off until the Borg and Seven were introduced.
Very true. There are still many DS9 episodes from the first two or three seasons that I have never watched and likely never will. A few episodes here and there were done very nicely, though TOS stands alone in sheer excellence across the first two seasons. Not that there weren’t some stinkers there, of course, but the ratio of garbage episodes to epic episodes is completely inverted compared to all of the spinoff series.
You all are right that many series were a little rough in their opening season or two, but I had DB friends show me their favorite ENT episodes and... it just wasn't for me. It felt more like someone's attempt to make Firefly serious rather than what I'd come to think of as Star Trek.
Not that it isn't Star Trek! Just not my cup of earl grey, hot.
You all are right that many series were a little rough in their opening season or two, but I had DB friends show me their favorite ENT episodes and... it just wasn't for me. It felt more like someone's attempt to make Firefly serious rather than what I'd come to think of as Star Trek.
Not that it isn't Star Trek! Just not my cup of earl grey, hot.
It had to be different. It was when we first starting going out there. All other Treks were crews established in space travel already. This one was literally trial and error. Let’s see what’s out there
As a parallel, let me illustrate with several different series about the American Revolution: a historical documentary series, a historical drama, a historical romance, and a historical action/adventure series.
Some people prefer just the facts without speculation or interpretation (documentary), some enjoy an examination of how people influenced the events (drama), some like to explore the personal interactions between the important people of the period (romance) and others appreciate the courage, sacrifice, and on-the-spot decisions that created history (action/adventure).
All love the same material (American Revolution), each prefers to focus on a certain aspect of that history, and nobody is wrong for preferring their chosen format.
Star Trek is the same. Each series tends to emphasize or embody a certain feel of storytelling and thus will appeal more strongly to some than to others. We all have our favorites, still appreciate others, and find others not all that appealing.
This doesn't mean that people who don't share our opinions are wrong, need to be "converted" or "shown the error of their ways."
While none of us will like every series, and of course wish there was more of the kind which is our favorite, there is a positive aspect to this variety, including the types which aren't our cup of Earl Grey, hot: the more types of people who find a series type they enjoy, the more likely it is we will continue to see new Trek, and thus more chances to see our favorite types, or to find a new one.
I'd say Season 3 of Enterprise was what Voyager should have been and was overall one of the best Star Trek seasons. You really had to watch from S02 E25 onwards, if you watch single episodes you probably won't care why they are in the Expanse in the first place. I think Episode 1 (S03) where they spent several minutes just thinking what to do next when for weeks they had no clues where to go and Earth was going to be blown up soon was really good acting and writing. Also the episode where they had to steal the warp coil from the friendly ship and where Archer goes to Xindi base with the intention to blow it up and kill himself were some of the finest Star Trek episodes. Those episides would never have happened during TNG where they would have probably found some plot armor and dodged everything. Too bad the show got good too late when already most people had checked out.
I'll say this about ENT: there were actually consequences for things that happened in previous episodes, unlike VOY which undid a lot of things by the end of the episode in which they happened. It got into trouble when it tried to engage the canon, though. Those often felt like glorified fanfic. The Ferengi episode was ridiculously convoluted, as was the Borg episode (though it was kinda sorta cool, at least). The story about Klingon ridges was stupid. And the Rura Penthe episode genuinely angered me.
I'll say this about ENT: there were actually consequences for things that happened in previous episodes, unlike VOY which undid a lot of things by the end of the episode in which they happened. It got into trouble when it tried to engage the canon, though. Those often felt like glorified fanfic. The Ferengi episode was ridiculously convoluted, as was the Borg episode (though it was kinda sorta cool, at least). The story about Klingon ridges was stupid. And the Rura Penthe episode genuinely angered me.
"In a Mirror Darkly" was dope, though.
The thing that got me about the Borg episode was the Zefram Cochrane thing. In his speech he said he saw the Borg on his first warp flight. Brings tgat wanted to take over the galaxy. They should not have thrown that in there. That’s a pretty huge “by the way” that was never referenced. Also, his flight was 100 years before that. They said the Borg were buried under the ice for 1,000 years
Every time I re-watch TNG I dislike it slightly more (I have NO problem expanding on explaining why this is, but I don't want to sidetrack this thread any more than is necessary), and every time I re-watch Enterprise I like it slightly more. I am not sure it is possible for Enterprise to ever overtake TNG, but the gap has absolutely been narrowed significantly.
Every time I re-watch TNG I dislike it slightly more (I have NO problem expanding on explaining why this is, but I don't want to sidetrack this thread any more than is necessary), and every time I re-watch Enterprise I like it slightly more. I am not sure it is possible for Enterprise to ever overtake TNG, but the gap has absolutely been narrowed significantly.
Every time I re-watch TNG I dislike it slightly more (I have NO problem expanding on explaining why this is, but I don't want to sidetrack this thread any more than is necessary), and every time I re-watch Enterprise I like it slightly more. I am not sure it is possible for Enterprise to ever overtake TNG, but the gap has absolutely been narrowed significantly.
I feel noooot so different from this, too. Though I don't dislike TNG more, so much as I realize more and more how low the production values were.
Aaaand please, please do have an honor sale soon. I've got nearly 450k stocked up!
Good news for anyone waiting for a sale, I got bored of hoarding 450k of honor and have splurged on 5 ill advised citations. Do bargains are surely only round the corner...
I don't get why you'd hoard honor. Hasn't there ever been only one honor begold discount on Christmas? Were you planning to hoard for an entire year till next Christmas? You're sacrificing the benefit of stronger crew for an entire year potentially (assuming they even do another begold sale).
As soon as I get 50k honour I citation a 5* crew. I don’t get how anyone would hoard honour and hold out for a sale. My honour is used immediately to strengthen crew.
As soon as I get 50k honour I citation a 5* crew. I don’t get how anyone would hoard honour and hold out for a sale. My honour is used immediately to strengthen crew.
After a while you’ve got a lot of really strong crew sitting at 3/5, 4/5, and 5/5 to the point where you can regularly send out 8-10 hour voyages and still have good crew left over for shuttle missions, so at that point for some people it makes sense to hoard honor for eventual new event crew that won’t be in the portal for a long time, as opposed to using it on crew who could easily pop up in a behold
As soon as I get 50k honour I citation a 5* crew. I don’t get how anyone would hoard honour and hold out for a sale. My honour is used immediately to strengthen crew.
After a while you’ve got a lot of really strong crew sitting at 3/5, 4/5, and 5/5 to the point where you can regularly send out 8-10 hour voyages and still have good crew left over for shuttle missions, so at that point for some people it makes sense to hoard honor for eventual new event crew that won’t be in the portal for a long time, as opposed to using it on crew who could easily pop up in a behold
That’s what I have been doing the last few weeks. I’m sitting on honor for a citation for the new Janeway (unless she’s got bad stats or is a dupe of someone I already have) and have nearly reached 100k...even if I crack that mark between now and Wednesday, I think I will wait to see Janeway’s stats. Maybe I get two citations, maybe I go for broke on Captain Bev.
I'm leaning towards citing Spock for the Com/Sci voyage help. Is this a bad idea? My next 2 honor projects are Mirror Stamets (currently 2/5) and Assimilated Hawk (currently 1/5.)
I'm leaning towards citing Spock for the Com/Sci voyage help. Is this a bad idea? My next 2 honor projects are Mirror Stamets (currently 2/5) and Assimilated Hawk (currently 1/5.)
Are you talking about the new Disco Spock? Science Officer Spock? He is very good. He has second highest base science in game and will give bonus in all Spock and Discovery events. You would not go wrong citing him though we are at month long event so you might get more immediate use out of adding a citation to the event recurring legendary janeway.
I'm leaning towards citing Spock for the Com/Sci voyage help. Is this a bad idea? My next 2 honor projects are Mirror Stamets (currently 2/5) and Assimilated Hawk (currently 1/5.)
I have both Hawk and Stamos immortalized, and they both are CONSTANTLY in use. Either way you will have made a good decision
I'm leaning towards citing Spock for the Com/Sci voyage help. Is this a bad idea? My next 2 honor projects are Mirror Stamets (currently 2/5) and Assimilated Hawk (currently 1/5.)
Are you talking about the new Disco Spock? Science Officer Spock? He is very good. He has second highest base science in game and will give bonus in all Spock and Discovery events. You would not go wrong citing him though we are at month long event so you might get more immediate use out of adding a citation to the event recurring legendary janeway.
Captain Spock, the current campaign reward. I plan to make him a 5/5 at tier 100, and use the next few honor citations to complete Mirror Stamets and Hawk next.
I'm leaning towards citing Spock for the Com/Sci voyage help. Is this a bad idea? My next 2 honor projects are Mirror Stamets (currently 2/5) and Assimilated Hawk (currently 1/5.)
Are you talking about the new Disco Spock? Science Officer Spock? He is very good. He has second highest base science in game and will give bonus in all Spock and Discovery events. You would not go wrong citing him though we are at month long event so you might get more immediate use out of adding a citation to the event recurring legendary janeway.
Captain Spock, the current campaign reward. I plan to make him a 5/5 at tier 100, and use the next few honor citations to complete Mirror Stamets and Hawk next.
You will not go wrong finishing a 4/5. Captain Spock has cmd-sci combo which can be helpful.
That's what I am thinking. I am tantalizing close to 10 hour voyages, and getting another 5/5 in my roster should help especially one with a rarer skill combo.
As soon as I get 50k honour I citation a 5* crew. I don’t get how anyone would hoard honour and hold out for a sale. My honour is used immediately to strengthen crew.
After a while you’ve got a lot of really strong crew sitting at 3/5, 4/5, and 5/5 to the point where you can regularly send out 8-10 hour voyages and still have good crew left over for shuttle missions, so at that point for some people it makes sense to hoard honor for eventual new event crew that won’t be in the portal for a long time, as opposed to using it on crew who could easily pop up in a behold
I’ve been at that stage for a while, but I keep getting more and more stat beasts that require my immediate attention haha. I’m not complaining, but it does eradicate any chance of saving honour.
The thing that should be changed in the system is the cost vs the rewards. That needs balanced. The honor hall cost is outrageous compared to the equivalent honor received for dismissal of crew.
Spot on. They need to drop trainers and credits out of the Gauntlet and replace those rewards with honor points.
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As a regular player, I now feel comfortable saying that I really REALLY did not enjoy Enterprise (but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't).
T'Pol made ENT for me. That and Archer grew on me over time. But it was mostly T'Pol
So you’re the one who kept Enterprise off the STT map! I suspect others in the company shared your sentiments
I've warmed to ENT over time, but mostly because I'm highly selective of the episodes I'll watch.
Season 1 & 2: only episodes that feature Shran, or center on Phlox
Season 3: Xindi core episodes only, skipping over the T'Pucker scenes and T'Pol's drug habit
Season 4: this one is mostly good, excepting the notorious finale
If continuity is important you'll have to toss in most of the temporal cold war episodes. I find these are more palatable when I compare the different ways that Silik and Daniels treat Archer like a bumpkin.
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I agree with your statement wholeheartedly. Those are my exact thoughts on Enterprise as well. I would expand them slightly to say the best thing about Enterprise is Jeffrey Combs. I believe Shran to be his best character of all. I loved the character development arc of Shran and his friendship with Archer. Towards season 4 they are as close as brothers. Every Shran ep is great. I would love to see a star trek show with Jeffrey Combs as the captain. He is an excellent actor and he has earned it.
Very true. There are still many DS9 episodes from the first two or three seasons that I have never watched and likely never will. A few episodes here and there were done very nicely, though TOS stands alone in sheer excellence across the first two seasons. Not that there weren’t some stinkers there, of course, but the ratio of garbage episodes to epic episodes is completely inverted compared to all of the spinoff series.
Not that it isn't Star Trek! Just not my cup of earl grey, hot.
It had to be different. It was when we first starting going out there. All other Treks were crews established in space travel already. This one was literally trial and error. Let’s see what’s out there
As a parallel, let me illustrate with several different series about the American Revolution: a historical documentary series, a historical drama, a historical romance, and a historical action/adventure series.
Some people prefer just the facts without speculation or interpretation (documentary), some enjoy an examination of how people influenced the events (drama), some like to explore the personal interactions between the important people of the period (romance) and others appreciate the courage, sacrifice, and on-the-spot decisions that created history (action/adventure).
All love the same material (American Revolution), each prefers to focus on a certain aspect of that history, and nobody is wrong for preferring their chosen format.
Star Trek is the same. Each series tends to emphasize or embody a certain feel of storytelling and thus will appeal more strongly to some than to others. We all have our favorites, still appreciate others, and find others not all that appealing.
This doesn't mean that people who don't share our opinions are wrong, need to be "converted" or "shown the error of their ways."
While none of us will like every series, and of course wish there was more of the kind which is our favorite, there is a positive aspect to this variety, including the types which aren't our cup of Earl Grey, hot: the more types of people who find a series type they enjoy, the more likely it is we will continue to see new Trek, and thus more chances to see our favorite types, or to find a new one.
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.
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"In a Mirror Darkly" was dope, though.
The thing that got me about the Borg episode was the Zefram Cochrane thing. In his speech he said he saw the Borg on his first warp flight. Brings tgat wanted to take over the galaxy. They should not have thrown that in there. That’s a pretty huge “by the way” that was never referenced. Also, his flight was 100 years before that. They said the Borg were buried under the ice for 1,000 years
MY MAN!!!
I feel noooot so different from this, too. Though I don't dislike TNG more, so much as I realize more and more how low the production values were.
Aaaand please, please do have an honor sale soon. I've got nearly 450k stocked up!
After a while you’ve got a lot of really strong crew sitting at 3/5, 4/5, and 5/5 to the point where you can regularly send out 8-10 hour voyages and still have good crew left over for shuttle missions, so at that point for some people it makes sense to hoard honor for eventual new event crew that won’t be in the portal for a long time, as opposed to using it on crew who could easily pop up in a behold
That’s what I have been doing the last few weeks. I’m sitting on honor for a citation for the new Janeway (unless she’s got bad stats or is a dupe of someone I already have) and have nearly reached 100k...even if I crack that mark between now and Wednesday, I think I will wait to see Janeway’s stats. Maybe I get two citations, maybe I go for broke on Captain Bev.
Are you talking about the new Disco Spock? Science Officer Spock? He is very good. He has second highest base science in game and will give bonus in all Spock and Discovery events. You would not go wrong citing him though we are at month long event so you might get more immediate use out of adding a citation to the event recurring legendary janeway.
I have both Hawk and Stamos immortalized, and they both are CONSTANTLY in use. Either way you will have made a good decision
Captain Spock, the current campaign reward. I plan to make him a 5/5 at tier 100, and use the next few honor citations to complete Mirror Stamets and Hawk next.
I’ve been at that stage for a while, but I keep getting more and more stat beasts that require my immediate attention haha. I’m not complaining, but it does eradicate any chance of saving honour.
Spot on. They need to drop trainers and credits out of the Gauntlet and replace those rewards with honor points.