Awww for those of us citing / keeping Voyager crew out of the vault, this stinks. I was really hoping we'd get some use out of the existing Annorax or Krenim Guest Paris during a YOH themed mega.
I think we knew there would be some twist to the event so as to include crew from other series and not include all Voyager crew but it is very surprising that they do not give bonus to a event month based on the episode their characters were taken from. DB should add Annorax and Krenim Guest Paris to bonus crew for the month.
Awww for those of us citing / keeping Voyager crew out of the vault, this stinks. I was really hoping we'd get some use out of the existing Annorax or Krenim Guest Paris during a YOH themed mega.
I pretty much didn’t freeze anyone I took out last week just in case...except Desert T’Pol. Oops.
I sympathize with you VOY fans who hoped this would be an all-inclusive VOY mega. I had that disappointment last year as a Niner with "Captive Intent", even though I figured it was unlikely they'd cast a net that wide for bonus crew. It would have been glorious!
Would have been nice to see more VOY crew as bonuses, but it is what it is. I am not a fan of Neelix as the 5* reward for our first event. I look at Neelix as the JarJar Binks of Star Trek imho.
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Would have been nice to see more VOY crew as bonuses, but it is what it is. I am not a fan of Neelix as the 5* reward for our first event. I look at Neelix as the JarJar Binks of Star Trek imho.
Neelix did a ton of jobs to ensure Voyager's survival. He shared his knowledge of the area including places and peoples. He helped them finding trading partners, he helped them find food and he cooked the food for them so they could save replicator energy. Neelix also helped raise Naomi Wildman, the only baby on Voyager. Then Neelix helped babysit the borg children. Neelix did everything he could to help Voyager and its crew even doing things to try to cheer people up. Even when people constantly made fun of him and his cooking he still continued helping. Neelix had so much tragedy in his life, he lost his family to war, he lost almost all of his loved ones, the one woman he loves, Kes, dumps him then turns crazy and leaves the ship. Neelix always tried to stay positive and to help. I like him.
Would have been nice to see more VOY crew as bonuses, but it is what it is. I am not a fan of Neelix as the 5* reward for our first event. I look at Neelix as the JarJar Binks of Star Trek imho.
Neelix did a ton of jobs to ensure Voyager's survival. He shared his knowledge of the area including places and peoples. He helped them finding trading partners, he helped them find food and he cooked the food for them so they could save replicator energy. Neelix also helped raise Naomi Wildman, the only baby on Voyager. Then Neelix helped babysit the borg children. Neelix did everything he could to help Voyager and its crew even doing things to try to cheer people up. Even when people constantly made fun of him and his cooking he still continued helping. Neelix had so much tragedy in his life, he lost his family to war, he lost almost all of his loved ones, the one woman he loves, Kes, dumps him then turns crazy and leaves the ship. Neelix always tried to stay positive and to help. I like him.
He could have built a stable wormhole from the Delta to the Alpha Quadrant...I still wouldn’t like his character. Having utility and likability aren’t mutually exclusive.
“A committee is a cul-de-sac, down which good ideas are lured and quietly strangled.” —Mark TwainMEMBER: [BoB] Barrel of Bloodwine... We are recruiting and putting the “curv” in scurvy! Best Event Finish: #3 Honor Debt: Inconceivable...Honor Bank Account: Slowly building...
Would have been nice to see more VOY crew as bonuses, but it is what it is. I am not a fan of Neelix as the 5* reward for our first event. I look at Neelix as the JarJar Binks of Star Trek imho.
Neelix did a ton of jobs to ensure Voyager's survival. He shared his knowledge of the area including places and peoples. He helped them finding trading partners, he helped them find food and he cooked the food for them so they could save replicator energy. Neelix also helped raise Naomi Wildman, the only baby on Voyager. Then Neelix helped babysit the borg children. Neelix did everything he could to help Voyager and its crew even doing things to try to cheer people up. Even when people constantly made fun of him and his cooking he still continued helping. Neelix had so much tragedy in his life, he lost his family to war, he lost almost all of his loved ones, the one woman he loves, Kes, dumps him then turns crazy and leaves the ship. Neelix always tried to stay positive and to help. I like him.
I always interpreted Neelix's annoying exuberance as a sort of coping mechanism. I found him quite a tragic character, really.
Neelix is a great microcosm of Voyager in general: on paper he is a very interesting character, Ethan Phillips is a well-respected/talented actor, and yet the character was pretty much a dumpster fire because the writing was abysmal.
Pretty early on his character arc seemed to center around his extreme jealousy with respect to his relationship with a one year old (which, not gonna lie, is creepy no matter how many time you explain that Ocampa only live 9 years!) and thankfully the writers stopped that and then later still Kes was removed completely.
But like the rest of Voyager, the writers COMPLETELY failed to utilize Neelix correctly. The original premise of Voyager was essentially: Star Fleet crew stranded 70 years from home are forced to combine with the Maquis crew they were original hunting and scrounge to survive in an unknown region of space with the help of a couple of local scamps. But after about 3 episodes this entire premise was essentially scrapped when the Maquis/Star Fleet dynamic was just ignored, and shortly thereafter they went from scrounging to essentially The Next Generation: Delta Quadrant as Janeway and company were just sort of moving in the general direction of the alpha quadrant with ample supplies/shuttle craft/torpedoes/replicator rations/etc, attending various symposiums, visiting various peoples on their planets, occasionally duking it out with the Kazon, with all the scavenging and sense f urgency replaced with complacency and a holographic attention hog.
This to me is where the writers completely and utterly failed Neelix; he went from a necessary asset to articulate humanoid hamster. He just became the catchall/Swiss army knife/plot mover that would be used briefly when they needed somebody to have a non-traditional Star Fleet skill, but then blended into the background.
I'm rambling at this point, but that is essentially how I feel about Neelix; he should have been WAY better than the Neelix the writers gave us, so I dislike him greatly, but it is not his fault.
Well put, @ByloBand
I feel the same way about Voyager in general. A good enough show, but not what it could be.
I found Neelix annoying and childish. When well written, he wasn't bad. He was actually pretty good in the last season. The problem was that they gave him a backstory that works for how he was SOMETIMES portrayed, but not for how he was usually portrayed. Chakotay had the same problem. His backstory was great for the renagade commander they SOMETIMES showed us, but usually we got a submissive treehugger yes-man. There is a place for such a character: I would make him my Diplomatic envoy. However, he was seldom who his backstory indicated. If you believe the backstory, Neelix is a skilled trader and war veteran with enough cunning and jack-of-all-trades cred to be running his own operations, but who volunteered to stick with the Voyager crew for a but of ease. But he was portrayed constantly as a complaining buffoon who couldn't understand chian-of-command and was always saying, "look at me, I'm special." He has many redeeming qualities, such as a good work ethic, willingness to do what needs to be done, and loyalty. But he was made into the annoying ten-year-old until season seven.
Neelix knew life was bleek and tough so he was grabbing as much joy as he could and spreading the joy to others. He knew no matter how bad it got on Voyager it was far better than his previous life of sorrow, scavenging and bare subsistence. But yes Bylo, you are correct, the writing for the characters and their dialogue was not always there in voyager. They would often fall back into making the characters flat one dimensional caricatures. I would have liked to have seen more two, three, four episode arcs where they would stay a place for a bit and immerse themselves instead of the constant wandering they could not do.
Re: the number of Survivalists, I have 31 (of 42) FE at either N/5* or 4/4*. I don’t recall a Mega-Event with this many bonus crew since the Klingon one with Kortar, but I could be wrong. Maybe the Mirror Picard one? @[7TW] UnkieB , help me out here. 🖖🏻
Guess I will might finally use some of these shuttle tokens that have been piling up.
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I don’t recall a Mega-Event with this many bonus crew since the Klingon one with Kortar, but I could be wrong. Maybe the Mirror Picard one? @[7TW] UnkieB , help me out here. 🖖🏻
I don't know for sure, but we had Klingon for A Good Day to Lie, We All Become had both Vulcan & Romulan, Presents & Futures had Pilots (this would be my guess for the most), by the time Empire Reforged rolled around there were a lot of Discovery crew.
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I think we knew there would be some twist to the event so as to include crew from other series and not include all Voyager crew but it is very surprising that they do not give bonus to a event month based on the episode their characters were taken from. DB should add Annorax and Krenim Guest Paris to bonus crew for the month.
I pretty much didn’t freeze anyone I took out last week just in case...except Desert T’Pol. Oops.
He could have built a stable wormhole from the Delta to the Alpha Quadrant...I still wouldn’t like his character. Having utility and likability aren’t mutually exclusive.
I always interpreted Neelix's annoying exuberance as a sort of coping mechanism. I found him quite a tragic character, really.
Pretty early on his character arc seemed to center around his extreme jealousy with respect to his relationship with a one year old (which, not gonna lie, is creepy no matter how many time you explain that Ocampa only live 9 years!) and thankfully the writers stopped that and then later still Kes was removed completely.
But like the rest of Voyager, the writers COMPLETELY failed to utilize Neelix correctly. The original premise of Voyager was essentially: Star Fleet crew stranded 70 years from home are forced to combine with the Maquis crew they were original hunting and scrounge to survive in an unknown region of space with the help of a couple of local scamps. But after about 3 episodes this entire premise was essentially scrapped when the Maquis/Star Fleet dynamic was just ignored, and shortly thereafter they went from scrounging to essentially The Next Generation: Delta Quadrant as Janeway and company were just sort of moving in the general direction of the alpha quadrant with ample supplies/shuttle craft/torpedoes/replicator rations/etc, attending various symposiums, visiting various peoples on their planets, occasionally duking it out with the Kazon, with all the scavenging and sense f urgency replaced with complacency and a holographic attention hog.
This to me is where the writers completely and utterly failed Neelix; he went from a necessary asset to articulate humanoid hamster. He just became the catchall/Swiss army knife/plot mover that would be used briefly when they needed somebody to have a non-traditional Star Fleet skill, but then blended into the background.
I'm rambling at this point, but that is essentially how I feel about Neelix; he should have been WAY better than the Neelix the writers gave us, so I dislike him greatly, but it is not his fault.
I feel the same way about Voyager in general. A good enough show, but not what it could be.
I found Neelix annoying and childish. When well written, he wasn't bad. He was actually pretty good in the last season. The problem was that they gave him a backstory that works for how he was SOMETIMES portrayed, but not for how he was usually portrayed. Chakotay had the same problem. His backstory was great for the renagade commander they SOMETIMES showed us, but usually we got a submissive treehugger yes-man. There is a place for such a character: I would make him my Diplomatic envoy. However, he was seldom who his backstory indicated. If you believe the backstory, Neelix is a skilled trader and war veteran with enough cunning and jack-of-all-trades cred to be running his own operations, but who volunteered to stick with the Voyager crew for a but of ease. But he was portrayed constantly as a complaining buffoon who couldn't understand chian-of-command and was always saying, "look at me, I'm special." He has many redeeming qualities, such as a good work ethic, willingness to do what needs to be done, and loyalty. But he was made into the annoying ten-year-old until season seven.
Re: the number of Survivalists, I have 31 (of 42) FE at either N/5* or 4/4*. I don’t recall a Mega-Event with this many bonus crew since the Klingon one with Kortar, but I could be wrong. Maybe the Mirror Picard one? @[7TW] UnkieB , help me out here. 🖖🏻
Guess I will might finally use some of these shuttle tokens that have been piling up.
I don't know for sure, but we had Klingon for A Good Day to Lie, We All Become had both Vulcan & Romulan, Presents & Futures had Pilots (this would be my guess for the most), by the time Empire Reforged rolled around there were a lot of Discovery crew.
https://stt.wiki/wiki/Mega-Event