Bummer. So far the Advent season was really an entire disappointment in STT. No cool offerings for real cash, no honor sale, nothing special at all basically apart from Data who was due to his skill set no reason for excitement either.
I have never seen a game (or company in general) which takes that little advantage of the willingness of customers to spend money around this time of year.
Fingers crossed that the few remaining days will compensate this lack.
To be fair what most people are talking about in this thread does not involve giving DB any more money
And you can see the danger of running these sales at all, as you can permanently modify some people's behaviour.
The fact that people are holding these enormous stashes of honor is possibly why we don't have new honor hall crew. Why would DB create a new crew that won't drive any immediate revenue or really any valuable game interaction. Many of us are at one click and done for honor hall crew.
What's needed is something to do with all of these crew, more and more players are realising that many of their immortalised legendary cards are basically useless beyond being pretty to look at. That can't be healthy for the future of the game. Scrooge Data is a great example of this. Cool card at a great price point? Absolutely. Will I cite him? Nope, because he's got a mediocre triplet without either Med or Eng. Therefore is it even worth levelling him? Probably not until a Data event comes around.
Don't get me wrong, I think Scrooge Data is a perfect card in many ways. He is thematic and a popular character and he is cheap and therefore should have less utility than the Gary Seven's of the world, but as I already have Surak and many others who will do Scrooge Data's job just fine, I just don't need him.
Anyway, Happy Holidays everyone (and a Merry Christmas to those for whom that is also a thing)!
To be fair what most people are talking about in this thread does not involve giving DB any more money
And you can see the danger of running these sales at all, as you can permanently modify some people's behaviour.
The fact that people are holding these enormous stashes of honor is possibly why we don't have new honor hall crew. Why would DB create a new crew that won't drive any immediate revenue or really any valuable game interaction. Many of us are at one click and done for honor hall crew.
All of your points are valid, but this one shouldn't be. There is currently no good way to earn honor through real money. I recently cashed in 40 premium 10-packs, and wound up with, as expected, around 800 honor per pack. Not even enough for a gold citation. 40 10-packs is a minimum of $40 if the 10-for-$10 deal is going, and at worst $400 worth of dil. You need 63 packs to get enough for a citation, and 105 for Kahless/Beverly! It’s totally out of whack.
Hah, this is gonna turn into another honor rant. Sorry! Also happy holidays!
To be fair what most people are talking about in this thread does not involve giving DB any more money
True but I did not feel like starting a new thread for cash purchases. Still I wish for some extraordinary LTOs like in other games.
There is nothing wrong with low price special offers on special occasions to make customers happy with a bargain as well as the finance department with some late year turnover and cash flow. Let's not forget that the marginal cost for virtual products are like... zero.
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To be fair what most people are talking about in this thread does not involve giving DB any more money
And you can see the danger of running these sales at all, as you can permanently modify some people's behaviour.
The fact that people are holding these enormous stashes of honor is possibly why we don't have new honor hall crew. Why would DB create a new crew that won't drive any immediate revenue or really any valuable game interaction. Many of us are at one click and done for honor hall crew.
All of your points are valid, but this one shouldn't be. There is currently no good way to earn honor through real money. I recently cashed in 40 premium 10-packs, and wound up with, as expected, around 800 honor per pack. Not even enough for a gold citation. 40 10-packs is a minimum of $40 if the 10-for-$10 deal is going, and at worst $400 worth of dil. You need 63 packs to get enough for a citation, and 105 for Kahless/Beverly! It’s totally out of whack.
Hah, this is gonna turn into another honor rant. Sorry! Also happy holidays!
Whilst your point is also true (Red Alert, people on the forums are agreeing with one another. Too much Cinnamon and Nutmeg in the air!!), I will also point out as others have before that we get a lot of honor from other sources. It's not *that* hard to muster 50k honor. Many players do that in a month or less.
If we assume 12 legendary citations from just playing in a year, add in 6 mega events and then lets say 1 drop from a random pack each month for a free player assuming they play events, then you are looking at 48 legendaries a year, more if they rank in those events.
If you buy the monthly card, you should end up with another 5 or 6 event legendaries from packs, even more if you wait for mega event packs.
And if you buy the campaigns, well, there's another 12 immortalised legendaries right there. How many do we need to actually play the game at a high level. Probably around 50 at most.
And this is without buying any 10x10s or any other more expensive offer. The issue is that there is no progression in the game beyond that point. Once you can do a 10hr Voyage without refresh , 12hr without refresh isn't really possible. My shuttles are regularly 90+%, You only need a handful of 1/5s for Gauntlet. Arena you need another handful and honestly both Gauntlet and Arena provide so little in the way of progression that they aren't super important.
Other games would just increase the level cap, and add in more advanced content to farm that required higher level crew that were increasingly hard to get to that level. Or they'd bring out more game modes that required a larger and deeper set of characters to be able to play all of them at an advanced level. There is no sign that any of that is on the horizon with this game.
(Sidenote: I really like this game, I have no beef with DB, no malice towards any players, I am just making observations, the same observations that I and others have been making for a long time now, that DBs lack of visible investment in the game is leading to inevitable problems as even casual players run up against this wall of content drought.)
Basically, honor isn't part of the problem. That people can sit on 1mil honor and it doesn't affect their progression in a noticeable way. That's the canary in the coal mine right there.
To be fair what most people are talking about in this thread does not involve giving DB any more money
And you can see the danger of running these sales at all, as you can permanently modify some people's behaviour.
The fact that people are holding these enormous stashes of honor is possibly why we don't have new honor hall crew. Why would DB create a new crew that won't drive any immediate revenue or really any valuable game interaction. Many of us are at one click and done for honor hall crew.
All of your points are valid, but this one shouldn't be. There is currently no good way to earn honor through real money. I recently cashed in 40 premium 10-packs, and wound up with, as expected, around 800 honor per pack. Not even enough for a gold citation. 40 10-packs is a minimum of $40 if the 10-for-$10 deal is going, and at worst $400 worth of dil. You need 63 packs to get enough for a citation, and 105 for Kahless/Beverly! It’s totally out of whack.
Hah, this is gonna turn into another honor rant. Sorry! Also happy holidays!
Whilst your point is also true (Red Alert, people on the forums are agreeing with one another. Too much Cinnamon and Nutmeg in the air!!), I will also point out as others have before that we get a lot of honor from other sources. It's not *that* hard to muster 50k honor. Many players do that in a month or less.
If we assume 12 legendary citations from just playing in a year, add in 6 mega events and then lets say 1 drop from a random pack each month for a free player assuming they play events, then you are looking at 48 legendaries a year, more if they rank in those events.
If you buy the monthly card, you should end up with another 5 or 6 event legendaries from packs, even more if you wait for mega event packs.
And if you buy the campaigns, well, there's another 12 immortalised legendaries right there. How many do we need to actually play the game at a high level. Probably around 50 at most.
And this is without buying any 10x10s or any other more expensive offer. The issue is that there is no progression in the game beyond that point. Once you can do a 10hr Voyage without refresh , 12hr without refresh isn't really possible. My shuttles are regularly 90+%, You only need a handful of 1/5s for Gauntlet. Arena you need another handful and honestly both Gauntlet and Arena provide so little in the way of progression that they aren't super important.
Other games would just increase the level cap, and add in more advanced content to farm that required higher level crew that were increasingly hard to get to that level. Or they'd bring out more game modes that required a larger and deeper set of characters to be able to play all of them at an advanced level. There is no sign that any of that is on the horizon with this game.
(Sidenote: I really like this game, I have no beef with DB, no malice towards any players, I am just making observations, the same observations that I and others have been making for a long time now, that DBs lack of visible investment in the game is leading to inevitable problems as even casual players run up against this wall of content drought.)
Basically, honor isn't part of the problem. That people can sit on 1mil honor and it doesn't affect their progression in a noticeable way. That's the canary in the coal mine right there.
Couple points:
-When people like Paladin27 or SilverRose have a million honor laying around, it definitely doesn’t affect their progression. For most others, though, I have a hard time believing that there isn’t someone deserving of citations or a top in-portal voyager or gauntleteer that couldn’t improve their situation. I know I could spend a million honor on citations alone and get a massive boost to my voyages with all of the top-50 voyagers I have in various states of partial fusion.
-Although it’s troubling that resources for this game seem to be limited, I do understand that DB is also developing a new game and probably learned some very hard lessons when it comes to resource allocation from the failed Walking Dead game. Hopefully that means that STT will get a little more long-term development love once the Archer game is up and running...I certainly would take that approach if I were in charge, since I think Archer only has one more season planned (unless something changed since the last time I looked) and Trek has three active or upcoming TV series and almost certainly another Kelvinverse film coming out in the next few years.
The most irritating thing to me is not that they don't appear to be having an Honor Sale ...
Last year, I remember when it came up. It was a little frustrating then - they designed something that was designed to REQUIRE a large amount of honor - with no notice - to fully participate in and enjoy.
Most normal players (I believe) spend their honor to enhance their crew - be it by purchasing trainers or citations once they are available. A few will hoard them for long enough to save up 100k and buy Kahless or something. Most don't accumulate.
You needed 484,000 honor stored in advance of last year's event to fully participate. That is far in excess of what most players who play normally have accumulated, and nearly 10x what most players who are really invested in improving their crew will bother to save.
This year - many players remembering this, decided to try and stockpile. You know, so they could participate this year, instead of being punished for using the honor mechanic as intended throughout 2018.
I'm giving up today ... once the day's specials are posted up, I'm buying citations. If an honor sale gets posted after that - well, honestly, I think it is going to generate some ill will. You can't just drop something like this the day of. A sale like this ONLY makes sense if players know it is going to happen at a certain time every year. Hell - they could make a fortune if they just made sure to have lots of good pack offerings in the weeks leading up to it - so the idea that this ISN'T a moneymaker for them is a bit off the mark.
So yeah - I completely understand them not wanting to run it again. But that will make last year's "event" so much worse, because it ended up rewarding all of the players who were indifferent about maximizing their crew, while the players who enthusiastically use every mechanism possible to get the best crew they can got to watch the rest get rewarded for that indifference.
It would have been less insulting if they offered it again this year, when we knew to expect it, but instead we hoarded for nothing it appears.
Very disappointing, DB.
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The dollars-to-honor conversion ratio is something like $1 per 80 honor. At 50,000 honor per gold citation, that's a lot of money.
The sale last time had no advance notice. One could argue that DB may lose money announcing the sale, but given the unfavorable dollars-to-honor conversion above, I would say such a loss is negligible.
So... What would be a reasonable lead time to announce an honor sale?
1 week?
1 month?
Make it a planned yearly event?
I still think we aren't aiming high enough, maybe this year Honor will literally be on sale...for money. Dare to dream, people! Make this thread name come true!
The most irritating thing to me is not that they don't appear to be having an Honor Sale ...
Last year, I remember when it came up. It was a little frustrating then - they designed something that was designed to REQUIRE a large amount of honor - with no notice - to fully participate in and enjoy.
Most normal players (I believe) spend their honor to enhance their crew - be it by purchasing trainers or citations once they are available. A few will hoard them for long enough to save up 100k and buy Kahless or something. Most don't accumulate.
You needed 484,000 honor stored in advance of last year's event to fully participate. That is far in excess of what most players who play normally have accumulated, and nearly 10x what most players who are really invested in improving their crew will bother to save.
This year - many players remembering this, decided to try and stockpile. You know, so they could participate this year, instead of being punished for using the honor mechanic as intended throughout 2018.
I'm giving up today ... once the day's specials are posted up, I'm buying citations. If an honor sale gets posted after that - well, honestly, I think it is going to generate some ill will. You can't just drop something like this the day of. A sale like this ONLY makes sense if players know it is going to happen at a certain time every year. Hell - they could make a fortune if they just made sure to have lots of good pack offerings in the weeks leading up to it - so the idea that this ISN'T a moneymaker for them is a bit off the mark.
So yeah - I completely understand them not wanting to run it again. But that will make last year's "event" so much worse, because it ended up rewarding all of the players who were indifferent about maximizing their crew, while the players who enthusiastically use every mechanism possible to get the best crew they can got to watch the rest get rewarded for that indifference.
It would have been less insulting if they offered it again this year, when we knew to expect it, but instead we hoarded for nothing it appears.
Very disappointing, DB.
Not enough "Awesomes" to point out how on point that point is. DB seems to actually have found a way to mess up what should have been a great thing not once, but two years in a row........
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There's a new message in our inboxes announcing "12 days of offers and a sale!" New crew slots, half-priced stuff—and no mention of honor sales. Should we take this to assume there won't be any of them this year? Official confirmation would be nice so I can finally grab some beholds and citations.
There's a new message in our inboxes announcing "12 days of offers and a sale!" New crew slots, half-priced stuff—and no mention of honor sales. Should we take this to assume there won't be any of them this year? Official confirmation would be nice so I can finally grab some beholds and citations.
I think that's as close to official confirmation as we are going to get.
I am waiting until the first "Offer" drops - but I think no matter what is offered over the 12 days, if they end up doing an honor offering - it will be a one-day thing on one of the days. Not worth maintaining the stockpile.
We'll see in a half hour what the first "deal" looks like, but I am feeling more and more confident that it is time to buy those citations.
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There's a new message in our inboxes announcing "12 days of offers and a sale!" New crew slots, half-priced stuff—and no mention of honor sales. Should we take this to assume there won't be any of them this year? Official confirmation would be nice so I can finally grab some beholds and citations.
It also says that the offer(s) will go live at 12:00 PM ET, which is still a few minutes away. 🖖
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There's a new message in our inboxes announcing "12 days of offers and a sale!" New crew slots, half-priced stuff—and no mention of honor sales. Should we take this to assume there won't be any of them this year? Official confirmation would be nice so I can finally grab some beholds and citations.
Just like it wasn't safe to assume that there would be an honor sale on the exact same holiday in 2019 as 2018, its also not safe to assume they wouldn't have one in the future.
Last year they didn't have crew slot sales on either thanksgiving or xmas, but did have it on convergence day in January. This year we have had slot sales for both thanksgiving and xmas, so they are quite capable of varying things some.
With no sale, DB would be saving hoarders from themselves. If you want to improve your roster, citations are still better than 60% priced beholds. If you want to have fun, you're looking at 3 days out of 365. (The anticipation is often more fun than the event, so I suppose saying it's only three days is a bit grinchy.)
If it doesn't come, I'll feel bad for those who are looking forward to it (Was going to pull one with my buddies so we could laugh at the unfortunate among us), but in terms of competition, I'm more than happy to see players hinder their progress the entire year just to spend their resources in a slightly less inefficient matter.
Frankly, I think begold sales make sense for DB. More 1/5s to eat crew slots and it slows progress for players, some of whom would get bored and quit when they reach the farming-for-events-only phase of the game.
The dollars-to-honor conversion ratio is something like $1 per 80 honor. At 50,000 honor per gold citation, that's a lot of money.
The conversion rate is closer to 800 honor to $1 since by and large there are plenty of offers valuing packs at $1 per premium pack. That works out to $62.5 per gold cite.
Considering event crew can be purchased for roughly $30 a star (mix of $100/$50 and dyc offers) and new tuesday golds crew are roughly 18k dil per star (over $100 per star), this is in line with other pricing considering the cite is much more flexible than buying specific crew.
The dollars-to-honor conversion ratio is something like $1 per 80 honor. At 50,000 honor per gold citation, that's a lot of money.
The conversion rate is closer to 800 honor to $1 since by and large there are plenty of offers valuing packs at $1 per premium pack. That works out to $62.5 per gold cite.
Considering event crew can be purchased for roughly $30 a star (mix of $100/$50 and dyc offers) and new tuesday golds crew are roughly 18k dil per star (over $100 per star), this is in line with other pricing considering the cite is much more flexible than buying specific crew.
Thank you for correcting my math. $60ish per cite seems much more reasonable. Still a bit steep, but a far cry from my miscalculation.
Whilst your point is also true (Red Alert, people on the forums are agreeing with one another. Too much Cinnamon and Nutmeg in the air!!), I will also point out as others have before that we get a lot of honor from other sources. It's not *that* hard to muster 50k honor. Many players do that in a month or less.
If we assume 12 legendary citations from just playing in a year, add in 6 mega events and then lets say 1 drop from a random pack each month for a free player assuming they play events, then you are looking at 48 legendaries a year, more if they rank in those events.
If you buy the monthly card, you should end up with another 5 or 6 event legendaries from packs, even more if you wait for mega event packs.
And if you buy the campaigns, well, there's another 12 immortalised legendaries right there. How many do we need to actually play the game at a high level. Probably around 50 at most.
And this is without buying any 10x10s or any other more expensive offer. The issue is that there is no progression in the game beyond that point. Once you can do a 10hr Voyage without refresh , 12hr without refresh isn't really possible. My shuttles are regularly 90+%, You only need a handful of 1/5s for Gauntlet. Arena you need another handful and honestly both Gauntlet and Arena provide so little in the way of progression that they aren't super important.
Basically, honor isn't part of the problem. That people can sit on 1mil honor and it doesn't affect their progression in a noticeable way. That's the canary in the coal mine right there.
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Hah, I knew I shouldn't have chopped off the second half of my post! Again, all of this is perfectly correct. I think my point is more that I wish there were a way to muster 50k honor quickly. One of the things that's contributed to my hoarding is the amount of time the accumulation takes. (Which, in a way, is rooted in my early days in the game and not actually much of an issue anymore, considering the fact that I accumulate it much faster these days.)
I bought one of the LTOs today, and that pushed me over 1.4m honor. I didn't really keep track of dates, but my best guess is that the last honor I spent was in mid-February (on Kol), which at the time left me with 50k. So, aided by moderate (more than I'd like to admit but very far from cetacean) spending, the solid intake from Skirmishes and voyages, and everything else, I have earned enough honor for 27 legendary citations in around 10 months, bringing me to a total of 28. That sounds like a lot, but thinking about it terms of crew is a bit sobering. I can IM seven 1/5 cards and then nearly a year of collecting is gone. Seven cards out of hundreds seems depressingly low, doesn't it?
But you really do make good points about what will actually improve our games. Those seven IM legendaries would help a ton! It's just really difficult to think of it that way because it's in my nature to avoid depleting resources on something I don't feel completely confident and happy about.
Interestingly, the constant delayed gratification of hoarding honor hasn't really impacted my enjoyment of the game that much. The cheap packs at the end of the mega events have made it possible for me to FF the last three or four (however many there have been since those packs were created) mega crew without spending a citation or even much dil. The campaign citations have allowed me to FF a few cards that really made sense (I spent 3 of them on FO Burnham, for example). I can squeeze 10hr voyages out of 5 or 6 skill combos. I have more or less the gauntlet crew I need (though I still want a Bartender Guinan and a Defensive Phlox), and I've got all the 400% attack arena crew. I actually think that IMing a bunch of my legendaries at once would leave me feeling a bit like there are no more worlds to conquer.
The only two things I've really been an idiot about: I've left my Gary Seven at 2/5 and my Cheesecake Seven at 1/5. I could finish Gary with my three remaining campaign citations and Cheesecake without even dipping below 1.2m honor. There's no reason not to do that, especially since I'll never get another star on Cheesecake through normal means. No idea why I don't do it!
Why do I feel like I'm sitting on a therapist's couch?
I've finally given up waiting and added a couple of stars to Warship EMA. You're all welcome ahead of the inevitable honor sale this afternoon!
Thank you!
I will not cite anyone before the final mega packs anyway as jury rigging non-jury rigger McCoy and brooming Kirk are great citation candidates and I will spend a good share of yesterday's dil on those packs.
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The most irritating thing to me is not that they don't appear to be having an Honor Sale ...
Last year, I remember when it came up. It was a little frustrating then - they designed something that was designed to REQUIRE a large amount of honor - with no notice - to fully participate in and enjoy.
Most normal players (I believe) spend their honor to enhance their crew - be it by purchasing trainers or citations once they are available. A few will hoard them for long enough to save up 100k and buy Kahless or something. Most don't accumulate.
You needed 484,000 honor stored in advance of last year's event to fully participate. That is far in excess of what most players who play normally have accumulated, and nearly 10x what most players who are really invested in improving their crew will bother to save.
This year - many players remembering this, decided to try and stockpile. You know, so they could participate this year, instead of being punished for using the honor mechanic as intended throughout 2018.
I'm giving up today ... once the day's specials are posted up, I'm buying citations. If an honor sale gets posted after that - well, honestly, I think it is going to generate some ill will. You can't just drop something like this the day of. A sale like this ONLY makes sense if players know it is going to happen at a certain time every year. Hell - they could make a fortune if they just made sure to have lots of good pack offerings in the weeks leading up to it - so the idea that this ISN'T a moneymaker for them is a bit off the mark.
So yeah - I completely understand them not wanting to run it again. But that will make last year's "event" so much worse, because it ended up rewarding all of the players who were indifferent about maximizing their crew, while the players who enthusiastically use every mechanism possible to get the best crew they can got to watch the rest get rewarded for that indifference.
It would have been less insulting if they offered it again this year, when we knew to expect it, but instead we hoarded for nothing it appears.
Very disappointing, DB.
My biggest disappointment from last year, since it was not announced I bought 2 begolds from the honor store literally minutes before the sale went live. I sent a ticket to CS, but they were basically, "too bad for you" attitude. Would it really have cost them anything to refund the balance of honor for just 2 begolds?
I've finally given up waiting and added a couple of stars to Warship EMA. You're all welcome ahead of the inevitable honor sale this afternoon!
Thank you!
I will not cite anyone before the final mega packs anyway as jury rigging non-jury rigger McCoy and brooming Kirk are great citation candidates and I will spend a good share of yesterday's dil on those packs.
I did use a citation for a second star on McCoy, and am debating whether I want to use another one (probably early next week when I have enough honor) or just use my burgeoning hoard of dil on the wrap-up packs.
The most irritating thing to me is not that they don't appear to be having an Honor Sale ...
Last year, I remember when it came up. It was a little frustrating then - they designed something that was designed to REQUIRE a large amount of honor - with no notice - to fully participate in and enjoy.
Most normal players (I believe) spend their honor to enhance their crew - be it by purchasing trainers or citations once they are available. A few will hoard them for long enough to save up 100k and buy Kahless or something. Most don't accumulate.
You needed 484,000 honor stored in advance of last year's event to fully participate. That is far in excess of what most players who play normally have accumulated, and nearly 10x what most players who are really invested in improving their crew will bother to save.
This year - many players remembering this, decided to try and stockpile. You know, so they could participate this year, instead of being punished for using the honor mechanic as intended throughout 2018.
I'm giving up today ... once the day's specials are posted up, I'm buying citations. If an honor sale gets posted after that - well, honestly, I think it is going to generate some ill will. You can't just drop something like this the day of. A sale like this ONLY makes sense if players know it is going to happen at a certain time every year. Hell - they could make a fortune if they just made sure to have lots of good pack offerings in the weeks leading up to it - so the idea that this ISN'T a moneymaker for them is a bit off the mark.
So yeah - I completely understand them not wanting to run it again. But that will make last year's "event" so much worse, because it ended up rewarding all of the players who were indifferent about maximizing their crew, while the players who enthusiastically use every mechanism possible to get the best crew they can got to watch the rest get rewarded for that indifference.
It would have been less insulting if they offered it again this year, when we knew to expect it, but instead we hoarded for nothing it appears.
Very disappointing, DB.
My biggest disappointment from last year, since it was not announced I bought 2 begolds from the honor store literally minutes before the sale went live. I sent a ticket to CS, but they were basically, "too bad for you" attitude. Would it really have cost them anything to refund the balance of honor for just 2 begolds?
That is bad luck, but there really is no obligation on them in the slightest.
I couldn’ t care less about an honor sale or not. Honestly, i am glad there isn t one. Why? Because last sale i used way more honor than i should ,to gamble
and ended up with mainly ****. Selfish reason, i know.
I couldn’ t care less about an honor sale or not. Honestly, i am glad there isn t one. Why? Because last sale i used way more honor than i should ,to gamble
and ended up with mainly ****. Selfish reason, i know.
I get that, and agree.
I actually find the entire concept of hoarding Honor for an "Honor Sale" very puzzling; all year long you buy packs, convert those packs into Honor, and then save all that Honor to buy more packs?
I couldn’ t care less about an honor sale or not. Honestly, i am glad there isn t one. Why? Because last sale i used way more honor than i should ,to gamble
and ended up with mainly ****. Selfish reason, i know.
I get that, and agree.
I actually find the entire concept of hoarding Honor for an "Honor Sale" very puzzling; all year long you buy packs, convert those packs into Honor, and then save all that Honor to buy more packs?
Yeah, honor for packs is a terrible idea from a player's perspective. Maybe if it were 1000 honor per pack, it might make sense (you'd lose a bit on average but there'd always be a chance at a gold, or a purple you want), but at 4000 it's nuts.
I couldn’ t care less about an honor sale or not. Honestly, i am glad there isn t one. Why? Because last sale i used way more honor than i should ,to gamble
and ended up with mainly ****. Selfish reason, i know.
I get that, and agree.
I actually find the entire concept of hoarding Honor for an "Honor Sale" very puzzling; all year long you buy packs, convert those packs into Honor, and then save all that Honor to buy more packs?
Yeah, honor for packs is a terrible idea from a player's perspective. Maybe if it were 1000 honor per pack, it might make sense (you'd lose a bit on average but there'd always be a chance at a gold, or a purple you want), but at 4000 it's nuts.
No what is nuts is getting 550 honor for dismissing a 1F legendary. Doing that 91 times gives you enough for a legendary citation.
But looking at it that way either 8 dismissed legendaries get you a pack at 4000 honor or 20 superrares.
Actually continuing this train of thought. 45000 honor gets you a begold. So buying 11 x10 packs will give you 1.397 chance at a begold on the average.
But when they did the offer they reduced the price of the begold. So the better honor sale was the reduced price begold. But second is the 4000 honor for a pack , and then the normal honor price begold.
However, there is a point where the chance of getting an all immortalized begold is high enough to warrant only going for citations.
Edit: Unless you do not have the crew. But make sure the crew is in the portal before trying to get them with begolds.
Some players ... like me .... don't spend a ton of money on this game (if at all) ... and if you have poor luck ... like me ... 5* beholds are few and far between (just read my posts for each event's threshold/community reward) from the very limited amount pulls I already get to do.
27k Honor is a way that I can unlock those great crew other people already own ... thinking FO Burnham, Gary Seven, Away Team Burnham, Warship EMA, Stranded Quark, Tainer etc. etc. etc. ... or unlock crew that are handy for collections (currently my main reason for playing) ... think Satin Dress Lily, Sphere-Builder, Delta-Flyer Paris etc. etc.
These crew I can then start citing up ... e.g. when I unlocked TP Chakotay he instantly got 4 citations and my current citation project is the insect.
27k is less than 45k ... and even though I can't afford much, it is something I'd go for, just to have that chance to pick up crew that people here go on and on and on and on and on and on and ... about. If I don't unlock some of the above-mentioned crew, I might be able to add stars to those I already own and at least make my mediocre crew better.
As for the 4k pulls ... they would give me a chance, though small, to get in some crew I need. I manage to bring in 50k honor every 2 weeks ... so that's 12 packs at the cost of 1 citation/2 weeks' Honor ... and maybe my luck changes in those 12 packs ... who knows?
If you're there spending a sizable chunk of money on the game (e.g. the Christmas offers) then yes, an Honor sale (as it was last year) is worthless for you because you probably already own all the old crew you need/want and citing those up is a better option.
Some players ... like me .... don't spend a ton of money on this game (if at all) ...
27k Honor is a way that I can unlock those great crew other people already own
Those who invest (more) have more. The most normal thing in a game like this. You also made it clear many times that you cannot justify certain offers, your spending priorities are on other things. Perfectly fine. But this contant undertone of envy about the crew of others is uncool keeping in mind your chosen spending path for STT.
If you want to enjoy your gaming experience even more you should gracefully accept that you cannot have everything you desire, be content with what you have and make the most out of it.
In reality I collect watches. Certain brands like Rolex are out of my reach or, to use your term, I could not justify spending 30000 bucks or more for a watch. But I don´t care, don´t think about the fact that others have them. I am very content with the ones I have and enjoy them massively. Focus on what one does NOT have instead of a focus on what one HAS doesn´t make happy...
Some players ... like me .... don't spend a ton of money on this game (if at all) ... and if you have poor luck ... like me ... 5* beholds are few and far between (just read my posts for each event's threshold/community reward) from the very limited amount pulls I already get to do.
I am one of these people... I have some honour saved up. If there is an honour sale, guaranteed that I will use it to the full. I might be able to finish/add stars to some of my Super Rares, or I might get lucky to add a star to a Legendary... or I might get a brand new crew (which I now have space for!). Or I get bupkis.
If there is no honour sale, I will buy a legendary citation. To take Dr. Ann Mulhall up to 3/5*.
I dunno about others, but part of playing the game is the excitement. And, although the latter option is useful (albeit somewhat mediocre), I still don't exactly get very enthused by it!
I would rather spend my 50K honour on a bunch of possibly awful 10-packs, in the hope that I might get something good.
It's also the reason why I put in the time and effort to get that purple portal pull at the end of each event!
Yes, I complain when it doesn't end well. But that's part of the fun, right?
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Some players ... like me .... don't spend a ton of money on this game (if at all) ... and if you have poor luck ... like me ... 5* beholds are few and far between (just read my posts for each event's threshold/community reward) from the very limited amount pulls I already get to do.
27k Honor is a way that I can unlock those great crew other people already own ... thinking FO Burnham, Gary Seven, Away Team Burnham, Warship EMA, Stranded Quark, Tainer etc. etc. etc. ... or unlock crew that are handy for collections (currently my main reason for playing) ... think Satin Dress Lily, Sphere-Builder, Delta-Flyer Paris etc. etc.
These crew I can then start citing up ... e.g. when I unlocked TP Chakotay he instantly got 4 citations and my current citation project is the insect.
27k is less than 45k ... and even though I can't afford much, it is something I'd go for, just to have that chance to pick up crew that people here go on and on and on and on and on and on and ... about. If I don't unlock some of the above-mentioned crew, I might be able to add stars to those I already own and at least make my mediocre crew better.
As for the 4k pulls ... they would give me a chance, though small, to get in some crew I need. I manage to bring in 50k honor every 2 weeks ... so that's 12 packs at the cost of 1 citation/2 weeks' Honor ... and maybe my luck changes in those 12 packs ... who knows?
If you're there spending a sizable chunk of money on the game (e.g. the Christmas offers) then yes, an Honor sale (as it was last year) is worthless for you because you probably already own all the old crew you need/want and citing those up is a better option.
right there with you - i put together a list of all of the 5* i would need to finish every collection, and that gave me an "honor debt" of just below 3 million honor to finish them all.
i'm currently sitting on 100K honor, so i could reduce that by two stars...or, if this sale actually happens again, try five lottery tickets each day with a chance of reducing my "debt" by 50K for ONLY 4K honor instead! isn't that worth the gamble?
...or should i just cite up torpedo mccoy twice now because he is awesome?
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To be fair what most people are talking about in this thread does not involve giving DB any more money
And you can see the danger of running these sales at all, as you can permanently modify some people's behaviour.
The fact that people are holding these enormous stashes of honor is possibly why we don't have new honor hall crew. Why would DB create a new crew that won't drive any immediate revenue or really any valuable game interaction. Many of us are at one click and done for honor hall crew.
What's needed is something to do with all of these crew, more and more players are realising that many of their immortalised legendary cards are basically useless beyond being pretty to look at. That can't be healthy for the future of the game. Scrooge Data is a great example of this. Cool card at a great price point? Absolutely. Will I cite him? Nope, because he's got a mediocre triplet without either Med or Eng. Therefore is it even worth levelling him? Probably not until a Data event comes around.
Don't get me wrong, I think Scrooge Data is a perfect card in many ways. He is thematic and a popular character and he is cheap and therefore should have less utility than the Gary Seven's of the world, but as I already have Surak and many others who will do Scrooge Data's job just fine, I just don't need him.
Anyway, Happy Holidays everyone (and a Merry Christmas to those for whom that is also a thing)!
All of your points are valid, but this one shouldn't be. There is currently no good way to earn honor through real money. I recently cashed in 40 premium 10-packs, and wound up with, as expected, around 800 honor per pack. Not even enough for a gold citation. 40 10-packs is a minimum of $40 if the 10-for-$10 deal is going, and at worst $400 worth of dil. You need 63 packs to get enough for a citation, and 105 for Kahless/Beverly! It’s totally out of whack.
Hah, this is gonna turn into another honor rant. Sorry! Also happy holidays!
True but I did not feel like starting a new thread for cash purchases. Still I wish for some extraordinary LTOs like in other games.
There is nothing wrong with low price special offers on special occasions to make customers happy with a bargain as well as the finance department with some late year turnover and cash flow. Let's not forget that the marginal cost for virtual products are like... zero.
Whilst your point is also true (Red Alert, people on the forums are agreeing with one another. Too much Cinnamon and Nutmeg in the air!!), I will also point out as others have before that we get a lot of honor from other sources. It's not *that* hard to muster 50k honor. Many players do that in a month or less.
If we assume 12 legendary citations from just playing in a year, add in 6 mega events and then lets say 1 drop from a random pack each month for a free player assuming they play events, then you are looking at 48 legendaries a year, more if they rank in those events.
If you buy the monthly card, you should end up with another 5 or 6 event legendaries from packs, even more if you wait for mega event packs.
And if you buy the campaigns, well, there's another 12 immortalised legendaries right there. How many do we need to actually play the game at a high level. Probably around 50 at most.
And this is without buying any 10x10s or any other more expensive offer. The issue is that there is no progression in the game beyond that point. Once you can do a 10hr Voyage without refresh , 12hr without refresh isn't really possible. My shuttles are regularly 90+%, You only need a handful of 1/5s for Gauntlet. Arena you need another handful and honestly both Gauntlet and Arena provide so little in the way of progression that they aren't super important.
Other games would just increase the level cap, and add in more advanced content to farm that required higher level crew that were increasingly hard to get to that level. Or they'd bring out more game modes that required a larger and deeper set of characters to be able to play all of them at an advanced level. There is no sign that any of that is on the horizon with this game.
(Sidenote: I really like this game, I have no beef with DB, no malice towards any players, I am just making observations, the same observations that I and others have been making for a long time now, that DBs lack of visible investment in the game is leading to inevitable problems as even casual players run up against this wall of content drought.)
Basically, honor isn't part of the problem. That people can sit on 1mil honor and it doesn't affect their progression in a noticeable way. That's the canary in the coal mine right there.
Couple points:
-When people like Paladin27 or SilverRose have a million honor laying around, it definitely doesn’t affect their progression. For most others, though, I have a hard time believing that there isn’t someone deserving of citations or a top in-portal voyager or gauntleteer that couldn’t improve their situation. I know I could spend a million honor on citations alone and get a massive boost to my voyages with all of the top-50 voyagers I have in various states of partial fusion.
-Although it’s troubling that resources for this game seem to be limited, I do understand that DB is also developing a new game and probably learned some very hard lessons when it comes to resource allocation from the failed Walking Dead game. Hopefully that means that STT will get a little more long-term development love once the Archer game is up and running...I certainly would take that approach if I were in charge, since I think Archer only has one more season planned (unless something changed since the last time I looked) and Trek has three active or upcoming TV series and almost certainly another Kelvinverse film coming out in the next few years.
Last year, I remember when it came up. It was a little frustrating then - they designed something that was designed to REQUIRE a large amount of honor - with no notice - to fully participate in and enjoy.
Most normal players (I believe) spend their honor to enhance their crew - be it by purchasing trainers or citations once they are available. A few will hoard them for long enough to save up 100k and buy Kahless or something. Most don't accumulate.
You needed 484,000 honor stored in advance of last year's event to fully participate. That is far in excess of what most players who play normally have accumulated, and nearly 10x what most players who are really invested in improving their crew will bother to save.
This year - many players remembering this, decided to try and stockpile. You know, so they could participate this year, instead of being punished for using the honor mechanic as intended throughout 2018.
I'm giving up today ... once the day's specials are posted up, I'm buying citations. If an honor sale gets posted after that - well, honestly, I think it is going to generate some ill will. You can't just drop something like this the day of. A sale like this ONLY makes sense if players know it is going to happen at a certain time every year. Hell - they could make a fortune if they just made sure to have lots of good pack offerings in the weeks leading up to it - so the idea that this ISN'T a moneymaker for them is a bit off the mark.
So yeah - I completely understand them not wanting to run it again. But that will make last year's "event" so much worse, because it ended up rewarding all of the players who were indifferent about maximizing their crew, while the players who enthusiastically use every mechanism possible to get the best crew they can got to watch the rest get rewarded for that indifference.
It would have been less insulting if they offered it again this year, when we knew to expect it, but instead we hoarded for nothing it appears.
Very disappointing, DB.
Ov (Overall) | Vo (Voyage) | Fa (Faction) | Ga (Gauntlet)
Sb (Ship Battle) | Bt (Boss Battle Traits) | Co (Collection) | (Cd (Cadet)
The dollars-to-honor conversion ratio is something like $1 per 80 honor. At 50,000 honor per gold citation, that's a lot of money.
The sale last time had no advance notice. One could argue that DB may lose money announcing the sale, but given the unfavorable dollars-to-honor conversion above, I would say such a loss is negligible.
So... What would be a reasonable lead time to announce an honor sale?
1 week?
1 month?
Make it a planned yearly event?
Not enough "Awesomes" to point out how on point that point is. DB seems to actually have found a way to mess up what should have been a great thing not once, but two years in a row........
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I think that's as close to official confirmation as we are going to get.
I am waiting until the first "Offer" drops - but I think no matter what is offered over the 12 days, if they end up doing an honor offering - it will be a one-day thing on one of the days. Not worth maintaining the stockpile.
We'll see in a half hour what the first "deal" looks like, but I am feeling more and more confident that it is time to buy those citations.
Ov (Overall) | Vo (Voyage) | Fa (Faction) | Ga (Gauntlet)
Sb (Ship Battle) | Bt (Boss Battle Traits) | Co (Collection) | (Cd (Cadet)
It also says that the offer(s) will go live at 12:00 PM ET, which is still a few minutes away. 🖖
Just like it wasn't safe to assume that there would be an honor sale on the exact same holiday in 2019 as 2018, its also not safe to assume they wouldn't have one in the future.
Last year they didn't have crew slot sales on either thanksgiving or xmas, but did have it on convergence day in January. This year we have had slot sales for both thanksgiving and xmas, so they are quite capable of varying things some.
If it doesn't come, I'll feel bad for those who are looking forward to it (Was going to pull one with my buddies so we could laugh at the unfortunate among us), but in terms of competition, I'm more than happy to see players hinder their progress the entire year just to spend their resources in a slightly less inefficient matter.
Frankly, I think begold sales make sense for DB. More 1/5s to eat crew slots and it slows progress for players, some of whom would get bored and quit when they reach the farming-for-events-only phase of the game.
The conversion rate is closer to 800 honor to $1 since by and large there are plenty of offers valuing packs at $1 per premium pack. That works out to $62.5 per gold cite.
Considering event crew can be purchased for roughly $30 a star (mix of $100/$50 and dyc offers) and new tuesday golds crew are roughly 18k dil per star (over $100 per star), this is in line with other pricing considering the cite is much more flexible than buying specific crew.
Thank you for correcting my math. $60ish per cite seems much more reasonable. Still a bit steep, but a far cry from my miscalculation.
Hah, I knew I shouldn't have chopped off the second half of my post! Again, all of this is perfectly correct. I think my point is more that I wish there were a way to muster 50k honor quickly. One of the things that's contributed to my hoarding is the amount of time the accumulation takes. (Which, in a way, is rooted in my early days in the game and not actually much of an issue anymore, considering the fact that I accumulate it much faster these days.)
I bought one of the LTOs today, and that pushed me over 1.4m honor. I didn't really keep track of dates, but my best guess is that the last honor I spent was in mid-February (on Kol), which at the time left me with 50k. So, aided by moderate (more than I'd like to admit but very far from cetacean) spending, the solid intake from Skirmishes and voyages, and everything else, I have earned enough honor for 27 legendary citations in around 10 months, bringing me to a total of 28. That sounds like a lot, but thinking about it terms of crew is a bit sobering. I can IM seven 1/5 cards and then nearly a year of collecting is gone. Seven cards out of hundreds seems depressingly low, doesn't it?
But you really do make good points about what will actually improve our games. Those seven IM legendaries would help a ton! It's just really difficult to think of it that way because it's in my nature to avoid depleting resources on something I don't feel completely confident and happy about.
Interestingly, the constant delayed gratification of hoarding honor hasn't really impacted my enjoyment of the game that much. The cheap packs at the end of the mega events have made it possible for me to FF the last three or four (however many there have been since those packs were created) mega crew without spending a citation or even much dil. The campaign citations have allowed me to FF a few cards that really made sense (I spent 3 of them on FO Burnham, for example). I can squeeze 10hr voyages out of 5 or 6 skill combos. I have more or less the gauntlet crew I need (though I still want a Bartender Guinan and a Defensive Phlox), and I've got all the 400% attack arena crew. I actually think that IMing a bunch of my legendaries at once would leave me feeling a bit like there are no more worlds to conquer.
The only two things I've really been an idiot about: I've left my Gary Seven at 2/5 and my Cheesecake Seven at 1/5. I could finish Gary with my three remaining campaign citations and Cheesecake without even dipping below 1.2m honor. There's no reason not to do that, especially since I'll never get another star on Cheesecake through normal means. No idea why I don't do it!
Why do I feel like I'm sitting on a therapist's couch?
Thank you!
I will not cite anyone before the final mega packs anyway as jury rigging non-jury rigger McCoy and brooming Kirk are great citation candidates and I will spend a good share of yesterday's dil on those packs.
My biggest disappointment from last year, since it was not announced I bought 2 begolds from the honor store literally minutes before the sale went live. I sent a ticket to CS, but they were basically, "too bad for you" attitude. Would it really have cost them anything to refund the balance of honor for just 2 begolds?
I did use a citation for a second star on McCoy, and am debating whether I want to use another one (probably early next week when I have enough honor) or just use my burgeoning hoard of dil on the wrap-up packs.
That is bad luck, but there really is no obligation on them in the slightest.
I get your point and sympathise, but hard luck!
and ended up with mainly ****. Selfish reason, i know.
I get that, and agree.
I actually find the entire concept of hoarding Honor for an "Honor Sale" very puzzling; all year long you buy packs, convert those packs into Honor, and then save all that Honor to buy more packs?
Yeah, honor for packs is a terrible idea from a player's perspective. Maybe if it were 1000 honor per pack, it might make sense (you'd lose a bit on average but there'd always be a chance at a gold, or a purple you want), but at 4000 it's nuts.
No what is nuts is getting 550 honor for dismissing a 1F legendary. Doing that 91 times gives you enough for a legendary citation.
But looking at it that way either 8 dismissed legendaries get you a pack at 4000 honor or 20 superrares.
Actually continuing this train of thought. 45000 honor gets you a begold. So buying 11 x10 packs will give you 1.397 chance at a begold on the average.
But when they did the offer they reduced the price of the begold. So the better honor sale was the reduced price begold. But second is the 4000 honor for a pack , and then the normal honor price begold.
However, there is a point where the chance of getting an all immortalized begold is high enough to warrant only going for citations.
Edit: Unless you do not have the crew. But make sure the crew is in the portal before trying to get them with begolds.
27k Honor is a way that I can unlock those great crew other people already own ... thinking FO Burnham, Gary Seven, Away Team Burnham, Warship EMA, Stranded Quark, Tainer etc. etc. etc. ... or unlock crew that are handy for collections (currently my main reason for playing) ... think Satin Dress Lily, Sphere-Builder, Delta-Flyer Paris etc. etc.
These crew I can then start citing up ... e.g. when I unlocked TP Chakotay he instantly got 4 citations and my current citation project is the insect.
27k is less than 45k ... and even though I can't afford much, it is something I'd go for, just to have that chance to pick up crew that people here go on and on and on and on and on and on and ... about. If I don't unlock some of the above-mentioned crew, I might be able to add stars to those I already own and at least make my mediocre crew better.
As for the 4k pulls ... they would give me a chance, though small, to get in some crew I need. I manage to bring in 50k honor every 2 weeks ... so that's 12 packs at the cost of 1 citation/2 weeks' Honor ... and maybe my luck changes in those 12 packs ... who knows?
If you're there spending a sizable chunk of money on the game (e.g. the Christmas offers) then yes, an Honor sale (as it was last year) is worthless for you because you probably already own all the old crew you need/want and citing those up is a better option.
Those who invest (more) have more. The most normal thing in a game like this. You also made it clear many times that you cannot justify certain offers, your spending priorities are on other things. Perfectly fine. But this contant undertone of envy about the crew of others is uncool keeping in mind your chosen spending path for STT.
If you want to enjoy your gaming experience even more you should gracefully accept that you cannot have everything you desire, be content with what you have and make the most out of it.
In reality I collect watches. Certain brands like Rolex are out of my reach or, to use your term, I could not justify spending 30000 bucks or more for a watch. But I don´t care, don´t think about the fact that others have them. I am very content with the ones I have and enjoy them massively. Focus on what one does NOT have instead of a focus on what one HAS doesn´t make happy...
I am one of these people... I have some honour saved up. If there is an honour sale, guaranteed that I will use it to the full. I might be able to finish/add stars to some of my Super Rares, or I might get lucky to add a star to a Legendary... or I might get a brand new crew (which I now have space for!). Or I get bupkis.
If there is no honour sale, I will buy a legendary citation. To take Dr. Ann Mulhall up to 3/5*.
I dunno about others, but part of playing the game is the excitement. And, although the latter option is useful (albeit somewhat mediocre), I still don't exactly get very enthused by it!
I would rather spend my 50K honour on a bunch of possibly awful 10-packs, in the hope that I might get something good.
It's also the reason why I put in the time and effort to get that purple portal pull at the end of each event!
Yes, I complain when it doesn't end well. But that's part of the fun, right?
right there with you - i put together a list of all of the 5* i would need to finish every collection, and that gave me an "honor debt" of just below 3 million honor to finish them all.
i'm currently sitting on 100K honor, so i could reduce that by two stars...or, if this sale actually happens again, try five lottery tickets each day with a chance of reducing my "debt" by 50K for ONLY 4K honor instead! isn't that worth the gamble?
...or should i just cite up torpedo mccoy twice now because he is awesome?