I know I'm going to catch some grief for this, but what was legendary about Ezri? I can't think of one thing. Maybe, after the show ended, she will grow into a stronger person, but she struck me as pretty pathetic. There are lots of legendary Daxes out there -- multiple versions of Jadzia but also a Curzon in the form of Zhian'tara Odo. Ezri doesn't deserve to be among them.
Legendary crew are not legendary. It's an arbitrary distinction DB made.
People liked the character and want a variant they will use on a day to day basis in the game. It has nothing to do with how legendary that character is. If it did, there would only be a handful of legendaries in the entire game.
Thanks, I understand how the game works. And since all versions of Dax count as variants of Ezri/Jadzia/Curzon, she already has six legendary variants (Alternate Future, Bell Riots, Honey Bare, Klingon Bride, Lt. Commander, and Zhian'tara Odo). In my view, they are all more worthy versions of Dax to be considered "legendary" than any version of Ezri, and, as such, I see no reason to add another legendary Dax to the game that would be an Ezri. I'd much rather see Zhian'tara Sisko (as Joran Dax), for example.
And since all versions of Dax count as variants of Ezri/Jadzia/Curzon, she already has six legendary variants
Alas, that has not always been the case. In The Genesis Wave event, for example, Jadzia variants counted as bonus, but Ezri variants did not.
The fact you had to go back to an event in April 2017, in which all Vulcans and all Klingons also received a bonus, to find that example makes the point.
The next event to feature a version of Jadzia was in June of 2017. See The Triskelion Tournament. In that event, and every subsequent event to feature a Dax, all variants of Dax (and even Ezri Tigan, who is not a Dax) have counted as variants for the small bonus. Later that year, in September 2017, Zhian'tara Odo was introduced to the game as featured event crew. See Guilty as Charged. In that event, the other featured crew were Prisoner O'Brien and Martia. Yet all versions of Jadzia and Ezri counted as bonus crew.
There are four Ezris in the game. Three of them were there at launch. Of these, one is 1* Desert and another is 3* Sniper. Out of the literal hundreds of crew added to the game since then, only one was an Ezri (4* Waitress). And she was added all the way back on 5 October 2016.
In my view, they are all more worthy versions of Dax to be considered "legendary" than any version of Ezri, and, as such, I see no reason to add another legendary Dax to the game that would be an Ezri.
I see no reason not to add another legendary Dax to the game that would be an Ezri.
I'd much rather see Zhian'tara Sisko (as Joran Dax), for example.
False choice. There's nothing preventing us from getting both of them. Hell, we could get a 5* Ezri, a 5* Zhian'tara Sisko, and a 5* Joran from "Field of Fire". Why not?
I think it's absurd for anyone to have to justify what they do want in this game, and equally absurd to actively campaign against what someone else wants. I think it's absurd in general, but especially a game whose entire conceit is the coexistence of a multiverse. Still, I'll outline my defense of Ezri.
Deep Space Nine for me has always been appealing because it's a show about misfits. These are terribly broken people from the very beginning. We watch them heal and grow throughout the series. I identify strongly with those arcs. Okay, you say, so you've got Sisko and Odo and Kira and Garak and everyone else to identify with; why do you need Ezri? Here's what's unique to Ezri: She had to fill the shoes of someone I'd cared about for six seasons. In a lot of respects, she was set up to fail. It's easy to hold against Ezri that she's not Jadzia, but it's not fair. It's hard to be the new kid, and harder still to be a replacement.
She won me over, though, in large part because of her willingness to confess her vulnerabilities and insecurities. If you aren't consumed with those, it may not sound like much. It may even diminish your view of her that she had those vulnerabilities and insecurities in the first place. I am, and always have, been, fraught with those things. Even now, I struggle to see myself as anything other than an incompetent, worthless, useless waste of oxygen. It took me years to just get to the point that I could acknowledge any of that. Ezri does it when we meet her. I had to work up to her level of being a mess. I know firsthand how challenging that work can be, and I admire anyone who commits to doing it. Even if they're fictitious.
One of my favorite episodes is "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang". I dig heists, so that alone was enough to win me over, and there's Captain Sisko's monologue to Kasidy about why the holosuites are a fraud, which is one of the truly great all-time Star Trek moments. Buried in that episode, though, is Ezri stepping into an active role in that heist. She shows no hesitation or self-doubt. She's not the discombobulated mess we first met earlier that season. Somewhere along the way, she grew into her own and trusted herself. No one talks about this in the episode, because it's not about her. But it meant a lot to me, as someone who is consumed with self-doubt, to see her progress.
Travis, as a sort of side note to the Ezri discussion (and an even further OT tangent to the subject of this thread in general — sorry, OP ), I love hearing those kinds of stories about how something in the Star Trek universe connected with someone on a deeply personal level — whether it was simply depicting someone like them for one of the rare times in popular culture, or giving them something to aspire to. It goes back to black women being inspired by Uhura, and continued in many ways since, to the inclusion of complex gay characters on Discovery. We all have different touchpoints for what draws us to particular characters, episodes, and the franchise in general. We don't have to agree on those things, but it is upon us in the Trek community, I think, to recognize and embrace the various foundations upon which all the wildly differing houses of fandom are built.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
That is a great analysis of Deep Space Nine and its characters. Know that we all value your knowledge, helpfulness, and unique insight Travis. You have great worth and you make the forum much better. We all appreciate you and offer you this cat hug.
Travis, as a sort of side note to the Ezri discussion (and an even further OT tangent to the subject of this thread in general — sorry, OP ), I love hearing those kinds of stories about how something in the Star Trek universe connected with someone on a deeply personal level — whether it was simply depicting someone like them for one of the rare times in popular culture, or giving them something to aspire to. It goes back to black women being inspired by Uhura, and continued in many ways since, to the inclusion of complex gay characters on Discovery. We all have different touchpoints for what draws us to particular characters, episodes, and the franchise in general. We don't have to agree on those things, but it is upon us in the Trek community, I think, to recognize and embrace the various foundations upon which all the wildly differing houses of fandom are built.
Hey don't the "new in vault" threads always get derailed? 😀🤷🏻♂️
Travis, as a sort of side note to the Ezri discussion (and an even further OT tangent to the subject of this thread in general — sorry, OP ), I love hearing those kinds of stories about how something in the Star Trek universe connected with someone on a deeply personal level — whether it was simply depicting someone like them for one of the rare times in popular culture, or giving them something to aspire to. It goes back to black women being inspired by Uhura, and continued in many ways since, to the inclusion of complex gay characters on Discovery. We all have different touchpoints for what draws us to particular characters, episodes, and the franchise in general. We don't have to agree on those things, but it is upon us in the Trek community, I think, to recognize and embrace the various foundations upon which all the wildly differing houses of fandom are built.
Hey don't the "new in vault" threads always get derailed? 😀🤷🏻♂️
Eh, it's Control Leland. How much is there to say? Out of all the 5*'s in the game, he's... one of them.
Travis, as a sort of side note to the Ezri discussion (and an even further OT tangent to the subject of this thread in general — sorry, OP ), I love hearing those kinds of stories about how something in the Star Trek universe connected with someone on a deeply personal level — whether it was simply depicting someone like them for one of the rare times in popular culture, or giving them something to aspire to. It goes back to black women being inspired by Uhura, and continued in many ways since, to the inclusion of complex gay characters on Discovery. We all have different touchpoints for what draws us to particular characters, episodes, and the franchise in general. We don't have to agree on those things, but it is upon us in the Trek community, I think, to recognize and embrace the various foundations upon which all the wildly differing houses of fandom are built.
Hey don't the "new in vault" threads always get derailed? 😀🤷🏻♂️
Eh, it's Control Leland. How much is there to say? Out of all the 5*'s in the game, he's... one of them.
Well he was a cool character with a complex personality and a great story arc! Plus he had such emotion and was more than just a "shoot it up" kind of guy......
I think it's absurd for anyone to have to justify what they do want in this game, and equally absurd to actively campaign against what someone else wants. I think it's absurd in general, but especially a game whose entire conceit is the coexistence of a multiverse.
How much nicer if we followed this in all our posts. I know I try to be diplomatic in my posts, but I sometimes am guilty of it. Apologies to any I've offended. And when the time comes that someone has an idea that would affect things enough that actively campaigning against it is justified, we can still do it amicably.
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Hehe, it is funny cause Thomas Riker could have simply just grown his beard fully by just not shaving those sideburn parts.
Thanks, I understand how the game works. And since all versions of Dax count as variants of Ezri/Jadzia/Curzon, she already has six legendary variants (Alternate Future, Bell Riots, Honey Bare, Klingon Bride, Lt. Commander, and Zhian'tara Odo). In my view, they are all more worthy versions of Dax to be considered "legendary" than any version of Ezri, and, as such, I see no reason to add another legendary Dax to the game that would be an Ezri. I'd much rather see Zhian'tara Sisko (as Joran Dax), for example.
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Alas, that has not always been the case. In The Genesis Wave event, for example, Jadzia variants counted as bonus, but Ezri variants did not.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
The fact you had to go back to an event in April 2017, in which all Vulcans and all Klingons also received a bonus, to find that example makes the point.
The next event to feature a version of Jadzia was in June of 2017. See The Triskelion Tournament. In that event, and every subsequent event to feature a Dax, all variants of Dax (and even Ezri Tigan, who is not a Dax) have counted as variants for the small bonus. Later that year, in September 2017, Zhian'tara Odo was introduced to the game as featured event crew. See Guilty as Charged. In that event, the other featured crew were Prisoner O'Brien and Martia. Yet all versions of Jadzia and Ezri counted as bonus crew.
Captain Level: 95
VIP Level: 12
Unique Crew Immortalized: 525
Collections Completed: Vulcan, Ferengi, Borg, Romulan, Cardassian, Uncommon, Rare, Veteran, Common, Engineered, Physician, Innovator, Inspiring, Diplomat, Jury Rigger, Gauntlet Legends
I see no reason not to add another legendary Dax to the game that would be an Ezri.
False choice. There's nothing preventing us from getting both of them. Hell, we could get a 5* Ezri, a 5* Zhian'tara Sisko, and a 5* Joran from "Field of Fire". Why not?
I think it's absurd for anyone to have to justify what they do want in this game, and equally absurd to actively campaign against what someone else wants. I think it's absurd in general, but especially a game whose entire conceit is the coexistence of a multiverse. Still, I'll outline my defense of Ezri.
Deep Space Nine for me has always been appealing because it's a show about misfits. These are terribly broken people from the very beginning. We watch them heal and grow throughout the series. I identify strongly with those arcs. Okay, you say, so you've got Sisko and Odo and Kira and Garak and everyone else to identify with; why do you need Ezri? Here's what's unique to Ezri: She had to fill the shoes of someone I'd cared about for six seasons. In a lot of respects, she was set up to fail. It's easy to hold against Ezri that she's not Jadzia, but it's not fair. It's hard to be the new kid, and harder still to be a replacement.
She won me over, though, in large part because of her willingness to confess her vulnerabilities and insecurities. If you aren't consumed with those, it may not sound like much. It may even diminish your view of her that she had those vulnerabilities and insecurities in the first place. I am, and always have, been, fraught with those things. Even now, I struggle to see myself as anything other than an incompetent, worthless, useless waste of oxygen. It took me years to just get to the point that I could acknowledge any of that. Ezri does it when we meet her. I had to work up to her level of being a mess. I know firsthand how challenging that work can be, and I admire anyone who commits to doing it. Even if they're fictitious.
One of my favorite episodes is "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang". I dig heists, so that alone was enough to win me over, and there's Captain Sisko's monologue to Kasidy about why the holosuites are a fraud, which is one of the truly great all-time Star Trek moments. Buried in that episode, though, is Ezri stepping into an active role in that heist. She shows no hesitation or self-doubt. She's not the discombobulated mess we first met earlier that season. Somewhere along the way, she grew into her own and trusted herself. No one talks about this in the episode, because it's not about her. But it meant a lot to me, as someone who is consumed with self-doubt, to see her progress.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Hey don't the "new in vault" threads always get derailed? 😀🤷🏻♂️
Eh, it's Control Leland. How much is there to say? Out of all the 5*'s in the game, he's... one of them.
As for @Data1001, @(HGH)Apollo, and @robownage, thank you for your kind words.
Well he was a cool character with a complex personality and a great story arc! Plus he had such emotion and was more than just a "shoot it up" kind of guy......
Said no one ever.
How much nicer if we followed this in all our posts. I know I try to be diplomatic in my posts, but I sometimes am guilty of it. Apologies to any I've offended. And when the time comes that someone has an idea that would affect things enough that actively campaigning against it is justified, we can still do it amicably.